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There are a number of discussions and "debates" in which I would be interested to engage on this forum, including the following:

 

The issue of "tithing" with Brother "Standing Firm in Christ."

The issue of "plurality of elders" with Brother "Prophet1."

The issue of "the title Pastor" with Brother "Prophet1."

The issue of "regeneration before faith" with the Calvinistic representatives on the forum.

The various other issues of "Calvinistic soteriology" with the Calvinistic representatives on the forum.

Various other issues of Biblical interpretation and Biblical doctrine as they arise at various times.

 

So then, why have I not engaged in these discussions and "debates" as they have arisen throughout this past year?  The answer -- TIME (that is, the lack of time to engage these discussions with a thorough and thoughtful depth).  Often in the past, when one of these discussions has started, I have taken note and have begun to follow.  Indeed, I have even strongly considered making a contribution.  However, the availability of immediate time has moved me to stall in making that contribution.  Then when I am able to return unto the discussion just a day or two later, the "explosion" has occurred.  In that amount of time, the given discussion has often acquired an explosion of contributions, and in many cases has developed some "rabbit trails" and/or has devolved into a disorganized "mess."  At this stage, I simply walk away.  Due to the lack of time, I am simply not able to keep up with this manner of discussion.

 

So then, why am I presenting these things in this thread?  I actually have a few ideas as to how I might be able to engage in the discussions and "debates" that I have mentioned above, but I do not know if they are at all "workable" in the real function of the forum.  These ideas would include some "restrictives" to the discussions in which I might be able to engage --

 

First, there would be the restriction in the number of contributors (such as, the contributors of a particular discussion-debate would include myself and only the specific one with whom I have sought engagement, or would include myself and only a very small number of other contributors).

 

Second, there would be the restriction in the number of contributions (such as, the contributors might be restricted to only one significantly thoughtful contribution per week).  (Note:  In this regard I have even considered checking with Brother Matt and with the moderators to see if there might be some means of creating a type of "temporary lock-out," such that the thread might be open for only one 24 hour period each week.  - Wow!  Am I starting to get crazy in the head, or what?)

 

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Well, just "pitching" some thoughts out there.  I have no idea where this might lead.

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Brother, you know my zeal for the topic of tithes. I have laid down the challenge many times for pastors to"step up to the plate and, with Scripture, prove that which I teach concerning tithes to be incorrect. Thus far, none have been willing to take me up on that challenge and produce the Scripture that says I should tithe.

That said, I am willing to engage in this discussion... With you or anybody else who believes me to be wrong.

Suggestion: Private Messaging would keep it as a one-on-one, no doubt. Granted, the discussion would not be open for others to read, but it would take place nonetheless.

Once a week posting would no doubt draw it out to a great time span... Possibly more than a year. I was in a theological discussion six-eight months ago on the topic that had both panels discussing back and forth on an almost daily basis. (We did take a break during the Christmas holidays). But even daily, the discussion lasted fifty-eight days. Just a heads-up on the amount of time it could take with a once-a-week approach.

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Adding my 2 cents:

 

It might be a good idea for BroMatt to open a "Debate" forum and restrict the posting only to the two people who are actually doing the debating.  The debate threads would be viewable to the public, but the discussion/posting would be restricted.  That way the "rabbit trails" would be avoided.

 

If others wish to discuss what is going on in the debate forum, then another thread could be opened in another area of OB for "open" discussion on a particular debate.

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Brother, you know my zeal for the topic of tithes. I have laid down the challenge many times for pastors to"step up to the plate and, with Scripture, prove that which I teach concerning tithes to be incorrect. Thus far, none have been willing to take me up on that challenge and produce the Scripture that says I should tithe.

That said, I am willing to engage in this discussion... With you or anybody else who believes me to be wrong.

Suggestion: Private Messaging would keep it as a one-on-one, no doubt. Granted, the discussion would not be open for others to read, but it would take place nonetheless.

Once a week posting would no doubt draw it out to a great time span... Possibly more than a year. I was in a theological discussion six-eight months ago on the topic that had both panels discussing back and forth on an almost daily basis. (We did take a break during the Christmas holidays). But even daily, the discussion lasted fifty-eight days. Just a heads-up on the amount of time it could take with a once-a-week approach.

 

Yes, Brother, I am aware of your zeal and passion with regard to this issue.  However, I do not believe that our discussion shall progress exactly as others have.  Now, I could be somewhat biased in that regard; therefore, it might not be worth considering my opinion on that matter.  

 

Concerning the matter of progress, for me the prOBlem is one of time.  On the other hand, depending on the manner in which our discussion might progress, we might even be able to post more often.  I just do not wish to make commitments that overextend my time abilities and thus cause me to fail in those commitments.

 

Concerning the matter of private messaging, I really do desire that others might be able to follow the discussion, not because I believe that I will do such a "marvelous" jOB on my side of the discussion, but because I believe that a measured discussion will be of value to all.

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Adding my 2 cents:

 

It might be a good idea for BroMatt to open a "Debate" forum and restrict the posting only to the two people who are actually doing the debating.  The debate threads would be viewable to the public, but the discussion/posting would be restricted.  That way the "rabbit trails" would be avoided.

 

If others wish to discuss what is going on in the debate forum, then another thread could be opened in another area of OB for "open" discussion on a particular debate.

 

Sister Linda,

 

I would agree that this is a fairly good idea.  I have no idea how such an idea might be "worked-out" in the actual function of the forum, but I do believe that the idea itself is of value.

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Agreed.

My wife has posted a suggestion.  This same suggestion that she gave was implemented in the theological panel I was in for 58 days.  For the most part, it worked quite well. 

A thread could be started titled, "A Theological Discussion Between Pastor Scott Markle and Standing firm in Christ", or some similar title.  Bro Matt may have the capability to make a thread that is viewable to all but restricted to certain posters.  I know I can on my forum.

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Adding my 2 cents:

 

It might be a good idea for BroMatt to open a "Debate" forum and restrict the posting only to the two people who are actually doing the debating.  The debate threads would be viewable to the public, but the discussion/posting would be restricted.  That way the "rabbit trails" would be avoided.

 

If others wish to discuss what is going on in the debate forum, then another thread could be opened in another area of OB for "open" discussion on a particular debate.

 

That's a great idea, Linda. We did exactly that on a another forum, with 2 threads as suggested. Viewers could simply be warned that any interference with the debate would be deleted by a mod.

 

One such debate was proposed by a calvinist who supported the execution of Servetus, & church authority over public morals. I spoke against, in defence of Servetus.

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You would have to find a way to force people to answer the questions actually asked. Many of the issues you note the proponents constantly sidestep when they are brought to a point they can't - or won't - defend, hence the rabbit trails.

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You would have to find a way to force people to answer the questions actually asked. Many of the issues you note the proponents constantly sidestep when they are brought to a point they can't - or won't - defend, hence the rabbit trails.

Everybody knows by now that I don't sidestep the tithe topic.  LOL

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Having debate rules would presumably mean no name-calling or hatchet jOBs.

 

I would like to debate "Covenant Theology" to get rid of the "antisemitism" & "replacement theology" name-calling from this forum. 

 

I suggest a 5 post each format - e.g.

state your case

responses (3)

sum up

 

That would be enough to clearly state & defend our positions, while disputing the opponent, and establish Biblical credibility. 

 

Any takers?

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It is not at all my intention to engage in "name-calling," save to employ the respectful title of "Brother" unto the other. 

 

Good stuff, PSM. For clarity, I was talking generally about what would be good for a forum for debate, not what I anticipated you would get up to in it.  :icon_smile:

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Good stuff, PSM. For clarity, I was talking generally about what would be good for a forum for debate, not what I anticipated you would get up to in it.  :icon_smile:

 

Brother "Alimantado,"

 

I did indeed recognize that you were not making a specific charge against me, but that you were simply talking about general rules for the "debate."  However, I thought that I might use your comments as an opportunity to express my intentions in governing myself for the discussion-debates in which I might engage.

 

(Yes, I "used" you.  I apologize for being so "manipulative" and "mean-spirited.")  :th_popout:

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I would like to debate "Covenant Theology" to get rid of the "antisemitism" & "replacement theology" name-calling from this forum. 

 

I suggest a 5 post each format - e.g.

state your case

responses (3)

sum up

 

That would be enough to clearly state & defend our positions, while disputing the opponent, and establish Biblical credibility. 

 

Any takers?

I don't know how frequently I can post, but I would be willing in assisting refuting Calvinism and infant baptism, if that what covenant theology entails.

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One at a time would prOBably prove to be more amicable and profitable, Doc.

I'd rather get them all out of the way to avoid side shows for those who think the Calvinist forgot something. Or it can be 1-1 with allowances made for the Calvinist to use handicaps, life lines and dial-a-Calvinist :)

I'll catch up more after the week end is over. We passed out tracts today during a homo parade which went over about as well as a model duck posing at a gun range, and then before sunrise we are moving our stuff to another family member's house in Jaffa. I'm sick of Tel Aviv. When I had to walk over a rainbow colored crosswalk to get my coffee, that was it for me LOL.

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I'd rather get them all out of the way to avoid side shows for those who think the Calvinist forgot something. Or it can be 1-1 with allowances made for the Calvinist to use handicaps, life lines and dial-a-Calvinist :)

I'll catch up more after the week end is over. We passed out tracts today during a homo parade which went over about as well as a model duck posing at a gun range, and then before sunrise we are moving our stuff to another family member's house in Jaffa. I'm sick of Tel Aviv. When I had to walk over a rainbow colored crosswalk to get my coffee, that was it for me LOL.

laughed at "dial a calvinist", if your call doesn't go through, it wasn't predestined.

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I personally believe Scott is on to something. The rules are Biblical - check. I like Miss L's (?) idea of a semi-closed (?) thread. If it were me, I'd prefer the 5 persons per discussion (Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and only two forum members). Let the two present their Bible-based cause without distraction. I don't know about a limitation on number of arguments, sometimes the Holy Spirit blocks a thought for me until another time. However, some limitation might need to be set but, that would have to be between the two forum members. I like what Matt said in conjunction with Miss L's. 

 

I hope you find a way to pull it together.

 

My concern, anarchy on the sidelines (half in jest half in anticipation)  :hide:  of course that's what our gracious mods are for  :biggrin: .

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I'd like to see one between Dr. Ach and Covenantor!

 

Where rules are followed, there will be peace.

When they are broken, there is no debate.

A loss for all to learn.

 

I think Bro. Ach could be helpful in controlled debates.

On both sides of the debate.

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I'm a follow the rules person and I'm in no way trying to be mean toward anyone here my heart is humbled to all in fact I'm in agreement with the topic brought forth by pastor Scott.

but a debate would be disOBeying OB rules ,OB rules states that it is not a debating site but a discussion board, it states that they will not allow members to come here just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship and any disagreements you may have should not be handled here.

It also says that " we are not a site interested in arguing or debating " OB is set up for IFB to fellowship and lift up the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Back to the topic from pastor Scott I'm in agreement of the discussions brought forth but believe that this discussion should be done on a Pastors only section for open discussions between pastors. having pastors as the moderators following biblical rules as well as OB rules and when the topic discussion is completed all members would be able to view it..I would hope that anyone would think of this to be unfair for this to be a pastors only topic but rather enjoy and learn from these pastors. It's just an idea but I would hope the pastors here would consider discussing this with brother Matt . doing this would keep the topic from running rabbit trails and turning into arguments .

 

As I said it's just and idea but would like to see it happen I still have a hunger to learn.

God bless 

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