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Isaiah 40:17 “All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.”

Malachi 3:6a “For I am the LORD, I change not;”

 

I've looked at this some, and I have my own opinions about the questions below. I’m not looking at this from an eschatology (last things) perspective; I’m looking more at present/current events. One of my thoughts is, the U.S. may be practically insignificant before the ‘last things’ occur. I wondered if others have looked into this and what their own personal thoughts are. Folks from outside the U.S. are welcome to comment on their nation as well.

 

 

Does God’s immutability encompass judgment of nations today?

 

 

Can you sight Bible scripture references of God’s judgment of nations past?

 

 

Can you provide evidence of past judgment occurring in the U.S. (or your own nation) in the ‘new’ millennium?

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Isaiah 40:17 “All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.”

Malachi 3:6a “For I am the LORD, I change not;”

 

I've looked at this some, and I have my own opinions about the questions below. I’m not looking at this from an eschatology (last things) perspective; I’m looking more at present/current events. One of my thoughts is, the U.S. may be practically insignificant before the ‘last things’ occur. I wondered if others have looked into this and what their own personal thoughts are. Folks from outside the U.S. are welcome to comment on their nation as well.

 

 

Does God’s immutability encompass judgment of nations today?  Depends on how one looks at "judgment".

 

 

Can you sight Bible scripture references of God’s judgment of nations past?  How about Egypt??

 

 

Can you provide evidence of past judgment occurring in the U.S. (or your own nation) in the ‘new’ millennium? None that I can recall; then again I never really think about it. Refer to first answer above.

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I think nations are man made. God has no respect of persons and HE died for all. There's the vanity concerning nations, elected kings, presidents, princes, etc.

 

Ecclesiastes 1:2-3

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I think nations are man made. God has no respect of persons and HE died for all. There's the vanity concerning nations, elected kings, presidents, princes, etc.

 

Ecclesiastes 1:2-3

The framework for this post isn't discussing anything past your first comma.

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That God judges nations can not be disputed.
Jonah 3:
4  And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

This what the Lord told Jonas to preach and it was based on chapter 1 where God commanded Jonah because:
Jonah 1:
 2  Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

So we can see judgement upon a city (not a nation but I think it applies), from God because of their wickedness.

Of course they repent at the preaching so the judgement is stayed.

The prOBlem I have with today is that people immediately claim God's judgements upon a nation when a natural disaster happens in say a Muslim nation, but deny the same when a natural disaster happens in a "Christian" nation.

In my view, yes God judges nations, but no man has the right or knowledge to make such a proclamation.

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Sometimes God's judgment of a nation comes from Him turning the people over to their own sins.

 

Look at the "leadership" in America today. Look at the degradation and division and multiplying of sin through acceptance of homosexuality. Consider the excessive debt of the nation, States, cities and individuals. The porn industry in America takes in more money and exports more films than does Hollywood and their own ungodly movies. Then there is high divorce rates, millions of babies murdered through legal abortion, rampant unwed pregnancies, children growing up without fathers, shacking up as acceptable, temporary marriages, serial marriage/divorce/remarriages.

 

How much of this is a part of God's judgment, punishing us by allowing us to suffer the consequences of our own lust for sin?

 

That's just touching the surface. No doubt we could list a plethora of things that may be the hand of judgment upon America. The same is likely true for most other nations as well.

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Gods truths are the same today as in the old testament, God does not change and if America continues in it's sinful state Gods final judgment will soon come upon it just as His judgment has come upon many nations of old.

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The framework for this post isn't discussing anything past your first comma.

I was just showing with the scripture that all is vanity including everything after the first comma.

Unless God build the house we labour in vain.

 As far as trying answer the questions in reference with the scripture you gave I don't see how they go together. Sorry

 

Otherwise I think that the scripture quoted in my previous post is perfect commentary on the scripture that you quoted from Isaiah.

People see worldly divisions (countries) as super powers sometimes. Isaiah was writing to the captive Jews under the Roman world superpower. See how the verse is an encouragement and has nothing to do with God destroying anything.

 

God's judgement is sure but it is after all things have come to pass. Until then He is longsuffering and uses any means necessary to draw us unto Him. By natural or man made disasters if need be but I don't think that these are judgements they're just not harsh enough. Sodom and Gomorrah was judged but even Lot was removed first.

 

You OBviously have something in mind according to the original post. How about going into more detail about what you're thinking on this subject. Otherwise there is no answer to your questions.

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I was just showing with the scripture that all is vanity including everything after the first comma.

Unless God build the house we labour in vain.

 As far as trying answer the questions in reference with the scripture you gave I don't see how they go together. Sorry

 

Otherwise I think that the scripture quoted in my previous post is perfect commentary on the scripture that you quoted from Isaiah.

People see worldly divisions (countries) as super powers sometimes. Isaiah was writing to the captive Jews under the Roman world superpower. See how the verse is an encouragement and has nothing to do with God destroying anything.

 

God's judgement is sure but it is after all things have come to pass. Until then He is longsuffering and uses any means necessary to draw us unto Him. By natural or man made disasters if need be but I don't think that these are judgements they're just not harsh enough. Sodom and Gomorrah was judged but even Lot was removed first.

 

You OBviously have something in mind according to the original post. How about going into more detail about what you're thinking on this subject. Otherwise there is no answer to your questions.

There is no "hidden agenda" if you have no answer then, let your yea be yea and your nay be nay.

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Sometimes God's judgment of a nation comes from Him turning the people over to their own sins.

 

Look at the "leadership" in America today. Look at the degradation and division and multiplying of sin through acceptance of homosexuality. Consider the excessive debt of the nation, States, cities and individuals. The porn industry in America takes in more money and exports more films than does Hollywood and their own ungodly movies. Then there is high divorce rates, millions of babies murdered through legal abortion, rampant unwed pregnancies, children growing up without fathers, shacking up as acceptable, temporary marriages, serial marriage/divorce/remarriages.

 

How much of this is a part of God's judgment, punishing us by allowing us to suffer the consequences of our own lust for sin?

 

That's just touching the surface. No doubt we could list a plethora of things that may be the hand of judgment upon America. The same is likely true for most other nations as well.

I think you and I have agreed about this before...the U.S. is not necessarily receiving judgement... God is no longer staying the results of our own (as a nation) sin and wickedness. 

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