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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Another Ifb College Succumbs...

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The auto correct does that with most things like that.

 

I haven't looked at the link yet, why did this school turn to the SBC; were IFBs unwilling to help or what? Or is this school just deciding to take a turn towards the SBC and away from IFB?

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A couple members have posted before about prOBlems with IFBs funding things and continuing in funding things. If we (IFBs in general) are failing to support our own, there is something wrong with that.

 

I know the IFB plant near our home had their funding and support pulled so they had to close their doors and move on.

 

It's sad to see our churches and institutions being lost, either through neglect or their slip sliding away. 

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The auto correct does that with most things like that.

 

I haven't looked at the link yet, why did this school turn to the SBC; were IFBs unwilling to help or what? Or is this school just deciding to take a turn towards the SBC and away from IFB?

 

I never attended the school but know many who have. For years now they have abandoned their roots. They started accepting CCM, then CCM rock and even female preachers. This is just the latest.

 

http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/search/label/Northland%20Int%27l%20University

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I never attended the school but know many who have. For years now they have abandoned their roots. They started accepting CCM, then CCM rock and even female preachers. This is just the latest.

 

http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/search/label/Northland%20Int%27l%20University

 

I figured such was the case, but I didn't want to say so without knowing it to be true.

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Sometimes I think we worry too much about 'formal training' and seminary and little pieces of paper on the wall. At one time preachers trained under their preachers and in study of the word and practice. There was little or no 'formal' training, save perhaps with other, more matre believers in more personal surroundings. Why do we think we can't do that these days? Oh my, can't be a pastor unless we understand the meanings and implications of soteriology and exegesis and all the 'isms' out there.

 

I understand the meaning of soteriology and exegesis... does that mean I can be a pastor?   :ROFL: 

 

I say shut 'em all down, take up either the small, church-run institutes and individual training. 

 

Agreed. There's a place for colleges, but a lot of times it just seems to take the young men out of the churches and areas where they're badly needed.

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I have yet to see and have never been shown where a TRUE IFB church has gone under financially. If the preaching is right and the finances are handled in a God honoring way then God himself will take care of His own.

 

 

Did the church in question support missions?

 

Did the church in question sing hymns?

 

Did the church members in question pay tithes?

 

Did the church use the KJV bible?

 

Did the church PREACH the word of God?

 

Did the church go out witnessing?

 

And most importantly, is Christ at the head of the church in question?

 

If you follow this little outline for your church, I promise it will not fail !!

 

I do realize that we're talking about a college here but most colleges like this stem from a church at some point.

Please note that the outline above is not guarnteed for any agency other than the church.

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I have yet to see and have never been shown where a TRUE IFB church has gone under financially. If the preaching is right and the finances are handled in a God honoring way then God himself will take care of His own.

 

 

Did the church in question support missions?

 

Did the church in question sing hymns?

 

Did the church members in question pay tithes?

 

Did the church use the KJV bible?

 

Did the church PREACH the word of God?

 

Did the church go out witnessing?

 

And most importantly, is Christ at the head of the church in question?

 

If you follow this little outline for your church, I promise it will not fail !!

 

I do realize that we're talking about a college here but most colleges like this stem from a church at some point.

Please note that the outline above is not guarnteed for any agency other than the church.

In some ways, I suppose it depends upon how one defines 'going under'. Do you mean shutting down completely? Losing a building?  

 

In our own place, here's what has been the issues:

 

I began as pastor in our church with about 25-30 members. We live in a small, stagnant community with zero growth, and those who DO move in tend to be on welfare/unemployment/disability. As members have grown older, (those who historically had money to support financially), they have mostly moved away, with some others passing on. Most who have come in have been the aforementioned welfare/disability folks. Thus, money has gone away for the most part, and we lost our building. Have we gone under? No, we just rent a smaller, less-expensive place, and have fewer people.

 

Of course, with the limited space, we have no ability for a Sunday School for youth, so the families with youth have left to go places with 'programs' for the kids.

 

Do I preach the Bible? Absolutely. Do we sing hymns? Absolutely. Do we support missions? We can barely support ourselves, so no, not right now, but we did in the past until it was either support them or our own work. But you discount the will of people who, despite anything else, place the wants of the family over the importance of the teaching. See, I prioritize the preaching of the word-we sing little, have no specials-we sing a few hymns and I preach the word of God. But people are entertainment-minded, or want what they want. Not long back we lost an elderly couple who have been a active part of the church for about 4 years, because the wife didnt like that I referred to tongues as "babbling tongues", in reference to what is often called tongues today. That was it, the only reason. never brought it up, never asked why I believe that, and apparently rejected my teaching on it. So now they go to a pentecostal church pastored by a guy who fell to sexual sin and was removed from his place as pastor of an AOG church-why? because they have family there and he doesn't denigrate false tongues.

 

So, why do sometimes GOOD churches fall? Because churches are made up of people and they don't always want to hear all the truth. Even believers want to have their ears scratched at times. This is why some of the most "successful" IFB churches tend to have carnival-like atmospheres, run tons of programs and promotions and the like: because otherwise they would lose most of the people to churches that do just that.

 

So I will preach the word and make that my priority, and if everyone leaves, they leave-but we won't continue if it means becoming a circus to keep them.

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And yet, we see Assemblies of God and mormons and JW's all thrive and grow. What's that mean? It takes us back to the post asking the question of whether or not success is a sign of God's blessing.

 

How was Jeremiah judged? According to 'success', or faithfulness? He had no OBvious sucess-no one heeded his words. yet he was faithful, and it is necessary first and foremost that a steward be faithful. We don't see Daniel with a building full of followers, yet he was faithful, thus a success.  

 

So, by the world's standards, the pentecostal church in the next town with the rock band and the full offering plates is more successful than my little IBF church that sings hymns and concentrates on the word of God, KJV, yet brings in almost nothing and rents a public building for $40 per month. But which is successful?

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Ukulelemike,

 

By going under I did mean shut the doors. If you've downsized to live within your means that's no prOBlem. I would like to ask something of you to challenge you and your church for 6 months. First of all begin with prayer. Pray for a solid month before starting this challenge.

 

Starting when you want to (the beginning of a month is easier to keep up with it) make a decision to give 20% of the churches income to a missionary in another country. (There's no biblical basis for the ammount I gave it's just a #)  BIMI.org is a good place to start.

 

Take a count of the income over the past month. Six months after giving to a missionary consistantly, take a count again and see if you don't bring in the same or more per month and all your church bills paid.

 

Take a month if you want to and preach on stewardship, tithing, and missions. Have a missionary come in and speak one Sunday or Wednesday. If people can see where their money is being put to then giving comes easier.

 

Pay tithes, give to missions, go witnessing. Try it for 6 months and if it doesn't work then quit. I will guarntee that you cannot out give God!!

 

Malachi 3:10-11 Prove God herewith.

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Matthew 7:13

 

The three here was old churches that once had the power of God in them. In one they told the Pastor to leave. He came to our church and sat on the pew. My Pastor tried to get him to preach some but he wouldn't. He would cry and cry when the Lord's Holy Ghost was moving around in people's heart. His heart was so very broke, on top of that the devil used those people to make him doubt. It took about 4 or 5 months but he came around and started working for the Lord again. Now his old church they went on for a few years kept falling away until the building was closed. They didn't move to a smaller church it was over. 

 

I visited a church that was down to 9 on Sunday morning and 7 that night. Somehow God was able to keep that church open! How on earth did they pay the bills????? The devil sent 3 young men on meth to rOB the members one service at gun point and God was still able to keep it open. When I went it was the 5th Sunday night singing, it was a good service. 

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Ukulelemike,

 

By going under I did mean shut the doors. If you've downsized to live within your means that's no prOBlem. I would like to ask something of you to challenge you and your church for 6 months. First of all begin with prayer. Pray for a solid month before starting this challenge.

 

Starting when you want to (the beginning of a month is easier to keep up with it) make a decision to give 20% of the churches income to a missionary in another country. (There's no biblical basis for the ammount I gave it's just a #)  BIMI.org is a good place to start.

 

Take a count of the income over the past month. Six months after giving to a missionary consistantly, take a count again and see if you don't bring in the same or more per month and all your church bills paid.

 

Take a month if you want to and preach on stewardship, tithing, and missions. Have a missionary come in and speak one Sunday or Wednesday. If people can see where their money is being put to then giving comes easier.

 

Pay tithes, give to missions, go witnessing. Try it for 6 months and if it doesn't work then quit. I will guarntee that you cannot out give God!!

 

Malachi 3:10-11 Prove God herewith.

I will consider your proposal.

 

Mind you, this is where we came from-it was loss of people and money with them, (as it seemed all our givers left, most just moving, a few seeking places with more kid stuff). They left until we had to cut to pay the bills. Currently, only a couple give, except my wife and I and my parents, who don't even go to the church, and then we might get between $10, to a max of maybe $80, but the 10 is more consistent, and that only during pay periods. Not consistent.  And it seems the more we challenge, the less that is given, so we just don't anymore. One who used to give stopped because we didn't do things the way he wanted. he's a nice guy but the basic, 'give to the needy and the poor and to whoever asks without regard to biblical direction on how to give." type.

 

However, perhaps its time for a new push. We will pray about it.

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Sometimes I think we worry too much about 'formal training' and seminary and little pieces of paper on the wall. At one time preachers trained under their preachers and in study of the word and practice. There was little or no 'formal' training, save perhaps with other, more matre believers in more personal surroundings. Why do we think we can't do that these days? Oh my, can't be a pastor unless we understand the meanings and implications of soteriology and exegesis and all the 'isms' out there. So much man-made chopping up and compartmentalizing of the simple word of God. Yes, I agree we are to rightly divide the word of God, but not into little pieces, each with a name and category. Somehow Paul knew about rightly dividing without benefit of a Christian college.

 

I say shut 'em all down, take up either the small, church-run institutes and individual training. They are all becoming businesses, and they all so badly depend on money to the point that they have to run liie a business, which means, give the consumer what they want to get their money.

 

And don't get me started on school-designated "camps"!

 

But, that's just my opinion.

Amen  brother Mike ' being in agreement I've had these same thoughts for years, I was educated by pastors and ordained by God in the youth ministry.

keeping it simple I followed Gods will put upon my heart and he did the rest.

God bless 

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When I came to this church they financially in bad straights.
They were not generous.
It has always been my policy to give decent gifts to visiting preacher's, AND have them stay in nice rooms while they are with us.
They supported one missionary a little bit, now we support 3 for 4 times the amount each that they did for one before. ( was 1 x $25; now 3 x $100). And wanting to do more.
When the church here had the 20th anniversary, we had a week long meeting, brought over the founding pastor and the previous pastor and an evangelist, put them all in nice apartments for the week, bought the pastors/wives a nice gift and gave them a monetary gift, gave the evangelist a substantial monetary gift - and after spending all that cash our bank balance was unchanged........

Now we have the means to pay, but they didn't before we began to be generous.
(Not meant to be a criticism Mike, just a real life example).

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I have been praying for Pastor Mikes Church and the things that have happen their in the last year and ask that all brothers and sisters will continue to pray as well, May God greatly bless your faithfulness you've had throughout these trails brother Mike.

Still praying

God bless 

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I have been praying for Pastor Mikes Church and the things that have happen their in the last year and ask that all brothers and sisters will continue to pray as well, May God greatly bless your faithfulness you've had throughout these trails brother Mike.

Still praying

God bless 

Thanks, brother-your kindness is appreciated. I have always heard it said that you never learn to really trust God until the church is in the red. Guess I'm learning some great trust lessons!

 

I know sometimes I sound like I'm complaining-I'm not. I am where the Lord put me and glad to be so. The Lord never promises us finacial or numerical success-He just calls us to be faithful where we are. And I'm certainly not perfect-there are areas where I have pulled back, where its time to get back to work again. But God is faithful in all. 

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