Dorightchristians - Jack Schaap Appeals Case?

[heartstrings]

I seem to remember a man called Joseph......

My favorite person in the Bible, besides Jesus. Unfortunately, he was falsely accused. But  I suppose he wasn't afforded the opportunity to avoid that since he was a house slave.

[DaveW]

My favorite person in the Bible, besides Jesus. Unfortunately, he was falsely accused. But I suppose he wasn't afforded the opportunity to avoid that since he was a house slave.

But when he was "approached" he ran just as fast as he could.
If others followed his example?????????

[prophet1]

But when he was "approached" he ran just as fast as he could.
If others followed his example?????????

A king doesn't run, a servant does....

Anishinabe

[OLD fashioned preacher]

A king doesn't run, a servant does....

Anishinabe

David did, when he fled Absalom -- also, we "are made priests and kings unto our God", yet we are told "flee fornication".

 

I think you may mean "A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished."

[prophet1]

David did, when he fled Absalom -- also, we "are made priests and kings unto our God", yet we are told "flee fornication".

I think you may mean "A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished."

David didnt run from Absolom, out of fear. He chose not to fight his son, knowing that the prOBlems were a result of his own sin.

And David didn't run from Bathsheba, which is my point.

And I meant what I said.

Joseph was a servant, he ran.

Schaap thought he was a king, not a servant, and expected to be served.
The king doesnt run from his master's wife, because he has no master.

Anishinabe

[MountainChristian]

David didnt run from Absolom, out of fear. He chose not to fight his son, knowing that the prOBlems were a result of his own sin.

And David didn't run from Bathsheba, which is my point.

And I meant what I said.

Joseph was a servant, he ran.

Schaap thought he was a king, not a servant, and expected to be served.
The king doesnt run from his master's wife, because he has no master.

Anishinabe

 

2 Samuel 15:14 And David said unto all his servants that were with him at Jerusalem, Arise, and let us flee; for we shall not else escape from Absalom: make speed to depart, lest he overtake us suddenly, and bring evil upon us, and smite the city with the edge of the sword.

[DaveW]

Joseph was a godly man of character - even as second over Egypt.

It is the character of the man, not the position.

[Dr James Ach]

Joseph was a godly man of character - even as second over Egypt.

It is the character of the man, not the position.

True; and I'm not even sure why position had anything to do with it (???). Schaap essentially is accusing the girl of being a whore by claiming she seduced him and did so with repeated advances. Even if that were true, and Schaap did not take advantage of her, and manipulate her (although I've seen court records of his letters to her that show otherwise), then Schaap should have taken the advice that is given in Proverbs chapters 5-7 about the whorish and strange woman. Not to mention that he was also married.

 

What good is preaching on conquering temptation if you can't live by example (I Peter 5:3, Titus 2:12)? To conquer temptation requires you to BE tempted, and Schaap is blaming the temptation itself for his sin, as well as the frequency of the pressure. The story I cited about Joseph in the article shows that Potiphar's wife pursued Joseph DAILY ("day by day" Gen 39:10). So how's "day by day" for pressure? Furthermore, she (victim in Schaap's case) was always being given rides and escorts by his secretary. Kind of hard to claim she's pursuing you when you're the one offering and providing the transportation.

 

I had many other issues with Schaap before this including his heretical position on the KJV and Bride Chamber theology, but I was relieved somewhat when it appeared that he manned up when he made his statement at his plea hearing, and I was prayerful that God might restore him and use him someday if he's truly saved. But then this came out, and I'm thinking the Jesuits snuck one into the FBC because no sane, saved person can really be that stupid, and with all of the chaos he's caused against Baptists and this girl over this, to open up that can of worms again makes him either the most selfish person ever, or it's a deliberate conspiracy (or both). I can't explain that kind of idiocy any other way.

 

[prophet1]

Joseph was a godly man of character - even as second over Egypt.

It is the character of the man, not the position.

I wasn't talking about position.
I was talking about how they viewed themselves.
Schaap should have viewed himself as a servant.


Anishinabe

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Servant?  Isn't that a position? 

[John81]

Not necessarily. Jesus came as a servant but that wasn't His position.

 

A leader can choose to serve. A servant can choose to have a haughty attitude, attempting to lord it over those he can.

 

Still, this issue is much better discussed in terms of character. Does the man have a godly character or is his character governed by his flesh? The first will wisely flee temptation to sexual sin while the latter will allow his flesh to toy with the temptation until it becomes sin.

[prophet1]

True; and I'm not even sure why position had anything to do with it (???). Schaap essentially is accusing the girl of being a whore by claiming she seduced him and did so with repeated advances. Even if that were true, and Schaap did not take advantage of her, and manipulate her (although I've seen court records of his letters to her that show otherwise), then Schaap should have taken the advice that is given in Proverbs chapters 5-7 about the whorish and strange woman. Not to mention that he was also married.

What good is preaching on conquering temptation if you can't live by example (I Peter 5:3, Titus 2:12)? To conquer temptation requires you to BE tempted, and Schaap is blaming the temptation itself for his sin, as well as the frequency of the pressure. The story I cited about Joseph in the article shows that Potiphar's wife pursued Joseph DAILY ("day by day" Gen 39:10). So how's "day by day" for pressure? Furthermore, she (victim in Schaap's case) was always being given rides and escorts by his secretary. Kind of hard to claim she's pursuing you when you're the one offering and providing the transportation.

I had many other issues with Schaap before this including his heretical position on the KJV and Bride Chamber theology, but I was relieved somewhat when it appeared that he manned up when he made his statement at his plea hearing, and I was prayerful that God might restore him and use him someday if he's truly saved. But then this came out, and I'm thinking the Jesuits snuck one into the FBC because no sane, saved person can really be that stupid, and with all of the chaos he's caused against Baptists and this girl over this, to open up that can of worms again makes him either the most selfish person ever, or it's a deliberate conspiracy (or both). I can't explain that kind of idiocy any other way.

I was there, as close as anyone could be.
Schaap was a Satanic plant.
Here is his testimony:
He was "saved" at 5, when his older sister forced him to pray "the sinner's prayer" with him.

In his late 20's, he went through a period of several years of "dark days", where he realized he had no idea if there was even a God, much less His Word.
"I guess, I slowly walked out of it", he said.

I asked him, during that period, what he was doing in the summer (he was an administrator at HAC, at the time.
He replied, strangely, as if he was looking for help. He sounded depressed.
I had several one on one conversations with him, and have heard countless testimonies of my family and friends, and he was often very distant, couldn't remember recent events, and etc.
He was a puppet, and when the puppeteer was done completing the jOB Hyles started, he tossed Schaap aside.

Anishinabe

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Not necessarily. Jesus came as a servant but that wasn't His position.

 

A leader can choose to serve. A servant can choose to have a haughty attitude, attempting to lord it over those he can.

 

Still, this issue is much better discussed in terms of character. Does the man have a godly character or is his character governed by his flesh? The first will wisely flee temptation to sexual sin while the latter will allow his flesh to toy with the temptation until it becomes sin.

One who chooses to be a servant (as Jesus did) has taken the position of a servant. 

[prophet1]

Not necessarily. Jesus came as a servant but that wasn't His position.

A leader can choose to serve. A servant can choose to have a haughty attitude, attempting to lord it over those he can.

Still, this issue is much better discussed in terms of character. Does the man have a godly character or is his character governed by his flesh? The first will wisely flee temptation to sexual sin while the latter will allow his flesh to toy with the temptation until it becomes sin.

This is much better discussed in Biblical terms, not "character".
Your character can be completely formed by outside influence.
The Amish have character, and works salvation.
Schaap was a "workaholic".
No one would've impuned his character, up to the end.
This is part of the prOBlem.
Any one with the gift of discerning spirits could see that he wasnt of Christ's.

Anishinabe

[John81]

Which is basically what I said, either a godly character or a character governed by the flesh.