False Teaching

[DaveW]

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Or......

90% of Rat poison is good food.

There are some false teachers who are blatant and therefore easy to spot.

Then there are those who post a bit of poison in amongst right teaching.

Then when you call them on it, they point to the stuff they post which is right and say prove them wrong - which you can't because that bit was right. So you point out the wrong, and they ignore that and challenge you to find fault with the right.
A broken clock is right twice a day but it is still broken.
Rat poison has a lot of good food wrapped around the poison, but it will still kill you.

There are false teachers here who are smart at the debate but still teaching false rubbish.

A little leaven.......

[Arbo]

Good post.

[paid4]

Who are they??

 

Paul calls these kind of people out by name in 1 Timothy 1:20.

 

I don't think that's such a bad idea. When truth shines, the hidden things are known.

[DaveW]

Who are they??

Paul calls these kind of people out by name in 1 Timothy 1:20.

I don't think that's such a bad idea. When truth shines, the hidden things are known.

I would name them in the IFB only area, but it doesn't work like that.......

[John81]

Without specifics it's hard to discuss. This is especially true since some don't recognize the difference between false teaching and differing views.

 

Outright false teaching, such as if someone were to promote works bases salvation, or Jesus plus works to be saved, or salvation by baptism or such, is something that should be confronted and if not ended should be brought to an end and not allowed to be promoted over and over.

 

In areas where there is simply a difference in understanding, these are the very things we should welcome discussion of. Hopefully such will either help us see where we may be in error or prove our position correct. In such discussions, hopefully we will get into the Word more and perhaps learn more or at the least sharpen our understanding. Such discussions have the potential to help us learn to articulate our views and better expound upon Scripture.

 

The promotion of outright false doctrine and false religions should be kept in check.

 

The discussion of differing views is what makes a forum active.

[Jeffrey]

I would name them in the IFB only area, but it doesn't work like that.......

Is it me?

[Arbo]

Who are they??

 

Some act as if it only depends on whether or not the "IFB" box in one's profile is checked, regardless of belief.

[Miss Daisy]

:th_wellduh:yes, Jeffrey, you're one of them and you know it and have been told many times

[Gorship]

Miss Daisy throwing down!

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Is it me?

Thou hast said.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

When Studying the Bible, there are three avenues of application one can take: specific, universal, and selective. Taking the proper avenue always leads to the right destination.

In the specific application process, the Scripture only applies to those that they are addressed to.  For example, the Mosaic Law was given specifically to the Israelites after their Exodus from Egypt and during their wanderings in the wilderness for forty years.  This Law was to be OBserved once the children of Israel crossed over Jordan into the land promised to them by God. (see Deuteronomy 12:1-18 )  By rightly dividing the Word of Truth, we know that the Mosaic Law was applicable only to the ancient Israelites. 

Universal application refers to Scriptures that apply to all Believers.  These Scriptures reveal the human nature and, its need for correction, and the solutions(s) that will cause all Believers in Christ to grow in their spiritual walk.  The book of Proverbs is a perfect example of Scriptures that cam be applied universally.

Selective application refers to the manner in which some Christian preachers select Scriptures on Biblical manners of living for one people or nation and apply them to all Christians across the board.  This, in many instances, is wrong preaching, as things that applied to one nation did not apply to other nations at all in ancient Israel.  For instance, the ancient Israelites were told that they must keep the Law given by God to Moses.  In Acts 15 and in Acts 21, the Apostles (and the Holy Spirit) decreed that the Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law.

[Jeffrey]

:th_wellduh:yes, Jeffrey, 

That's very Christ-like Miss Daisy, thank you and God bless you

[candlelight]

That's very Christ-like Miss Daisy, thank you and God bless you

 

Amen, brother:)

"A soft answer turneth away wrath:  but grievous words stir up anger." ~ Proverbs 15:1

[Ukulelemike]

When Studying the Bible, there are three avenues of application one can take: specific, universal, and selective. Taking the proper avenue always leads to the right destination.

In the specific application process, the Scripture only applies to those that they are addressed to.  For example, the Mosaic Law was given specifically to the Israelites after their Exodus from Egypt and during their wanderings in the wilderness for forty years.  This Law was to be OBserved once the children of Israel crossed over Jordan into the land promised to them by God. (see Deuteronomy 12:1-18 )  By rightly dividing the Word of Truth, we know that the Mosaic Law was applicable only to the ancient Israelites. 

Universal application refers to Scriptures that apply to all Believers.  These Scriptures reveal the human nature and, its need for correction, and the solutions(s) that will cause all Believers in Christ to grow in their spiritual walk.  The book of Proverbs is a perfect example of Scriptures that cam be applied universally.

Selective application refers to the manner in which some Christian preachers select Scriptures on Biblical manners of living for one people or nation and apply them to all Christians across the board.  This, in many instances, is wrong preaching, as things that applied to one nation did not apply to other nations at all in ancient Israel.  For instance, the ancient Israelites were told that they must keep the Law given by God to Moses.  In Acts 15 and in Acts 21, the Apostles (and the Holy Spirit) decreed that the Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law.

SO then, say, we can no longer consider tattoos wrong, because the only mention of it was in the law. Nor cross-dressing, since its only specifically mentioned in the law.

  OR, are aspects of the law still applicable because they dealt with issues that continune to today, like not being as the nations and the pagans. The printing of the flesh was done by the pagan nations as part of their religious activities, so it was disallowed to the Hebrews so they weren't following the pagan's rituals.

As for cross-dressing, there was a clear mandate that this should be 'the norm', that a man dresses as a man, and a woman, as a woman. The closest we come to that in the NT is the issue of hair length.

 

So, were some things given that should still be followed, or do we just ignore them? If we ignore them as law, then we must abandon the 'pants on women' issue, the tattoos, cutting yourself for the dead, and other church issues.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Galatians 3 has the answer. Also, 1 Timothy.

The Law (this would include the Ten Commandments) was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

According to 1 Timothy 1, the law is not for the righteous, but for the ungodly. That said, once we come to Christ, do we need the Law? They that are His have crucified the flesh and the affections thereof. No, no need for the Ten Commandments or any other Mosaic Law if we have truly come to Christ. We have been brought into a new covenant, the old is passed away.

Our love for Him will cause us to want to avoid coveting, stealing, killing, idolatry, etc., etc..

Am I saying we are sinless? God forbid! We do still sin from time to time, but when we do we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. As long as we have our mortal bodies, we will struggle with the flesh just as the Apostle Paul did.

If we place ourselves under any part of the Mosaic Law, we need to OBserve all 613 statutes and ordinances contained in the Law... or we are cursed according to Galatians 3:10.