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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

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Hey swath! My understanding is this...

 

John's ministry didn't end the law and usher in the new testament; rather, his ministry was a bridge between the testaments to prepare the people for their Messias who would usher in the new testament by his blood. 

 

John said this about himself and his ministry...

 

John 1:25-31
25   And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26   John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27   He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28   These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29   The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30   This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31   And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
 
The Lord said this about himself...
 
Matthew 26:27-28
27   And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28   For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
The Bible says this concerning the new testament...
 
Hebrews 9:15-17
15   And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16   For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17   For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
 
2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
 
Hebrews 10:16-22
16   This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17   And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18   Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19   Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20   By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21   And having an high priest over the house of God;
22   Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
 
Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
 
Those are just a few verses that tell me that the New Testament began with Christ's blood and death. Yes, the law and prophets were until John...but John was the final prophet before the revealing of Christ.
 
Matthew 11:9-13
9   But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10   For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11   Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12   And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13   For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
 
John was a prophet, but he was more than a prophet. While he was a prophet, his calling surpassed the prophets and the law before him, because where they foretold and pointed to the future coming of Christ, John was the one who would actually reveal Israel's Messias.
 
The Old Testament was confirmed before the New Testament could take place...
 
Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
 
John, while a great man, couldn't confirm the old covenant with his blood since he was a sinner.  Only Christ could do that. Whereas the Old Testament was dedicated with blood; the New Testament had to be dedicated with blood likewise...and only Christ's blood could do that.

 

 

:amen:  NN!  Well said, brother.

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Faith, Works and God Grace have always been and always will be part of man's Salvation in every dispensation.  But how those three applied or worked out during those Economies, Time Periods or Ages were and are different.  Here are three divisions of dispensations and how Faith, Works and God's Grace were applied or worked out.

 

Pre-law, OT Law and preparation of Israel for the Kingdom (Genesis-Acts 7)

Faith + Works +God's Grace

From the OT to Acts 7 Men would believe the word of God preached to them and by faith they accepted that word repented and did what was required for the rest of their days of their life, this would later (upon Christ's finished work on the cross) get their name in the book of life, then at the judgement they would received the grace of God and are given eternal life.  But this does not mean God did not bless that man before his death because of his faith.  the fact that God still destroyed Nenivah(SP?) means the people did not continue in their repentance toward God.  But some of those Gentile men of Nenivah will be in heaven.

 

The Current Church Age (Acts 12-Philemon)

Faith + God's Grace = Works

From Acts 13 to the Gathering of the Church into the clouds to Jesus, men hear the word of God preached to them, then through their faith in that word (particularly that Christ Died for their sin debt) they received the Grace of God.  They are filled with the Holy Ghost and made part of Christ's body.  After words they begin, by God's help through His Holy Ghost, repenting of sin and doing good works.  There is no need for their names be written in the book of life (though they could be) because they are part of Christ's body and all judgement was taken care of on the Cross.  At the Gathering they will be judge for the things done while they were part of Christ's body and given reward for that which was good and no reward for that which was bad. Romans, 1Cor, 1Thess 4, 1 Timothy etc. . .

 

Tribulation until Christ's return to set up the Kingdom (Hebrews-Revelation 19)

Faith+Works=God's Grace

Once the Great tribulation starts men will hear the word of God, believe it in faith, do works like follow the law, overcome, endure to the end of the tribulation when Christ returns to set up the kingdom, help the Jews and if they were a Gentile they would get judged at the GWT and because their names would be written in the book of life (Rev 20) they would get the right to enter the New Jerusalem and eat of the tree of life and have eternal life (Rev 21).

 

Millennial Kingdom and after words for any natural man born after the new earth and heavens (Revelation 20-22)

Faith+works+God's Grace

While in the Millennial Kingdom men may see Christ on the throne their faith will be more on God's word than on Christ's work of the cross (though that will be known).  During the millennial Gentile nations will need to come to Jerusalem by faith in God's word for them to do so, present their gifts, OBlations and sacrifices (not for sin but as an act of worship) in doing so their nations will be blessed with rain and no disease.  If they don't do it they will not get rain and there will be diseases.  Those among those nations who keep to God's word to come with a heart of true worship and not of requirement will have their names in the book of life and their good works recorded. At the GWT judgement they will be judged and will be allowed to enter the New Jerusalem, drink of the river of life, eat from the tree of life, and get eternal life. Zac 14, Rev 20, 21

 

Faith, Works and Grace are God formula for salvation only during the Church Age can a man get God's grace by faith alone without the works of the Law, or of Baptism or Repentance.

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Faith, Works and God Grace have always been and always will be part of man's Salvation in every dispensation.  But how those three applied or worked out during those Economies, Time Periods or Ages were and are different.  Here are three divisions of dispensations and how Faith, Works and God's Grace were applied or worked out.

 

Pre-law, OT Law and preparation of Israel for the Kingdom (Genesis-Acts 7)

Faith + Works +God's Grace

From the OT to Acts 7 Men would believe the word of God preached to them and by faith they accepted that word repented and did what was required for the rest of their days of their life, this would later (upon Christ's finished work on the cross) get their name in the book of life, then at the judgement they would received the grace of God and are given eternal life.  But this does not mean God did not bless that man before his death because of his faith.  the fact that God still destroyed Nenivah(SP?) means the people did not continue in their repentance toward God.  But some of those Gentile men of Nenivah will be in heaven.

 

The Current Church Age (Acts 12-Philemon)

Faith + God's Grace = Works

From Acts 13 to the Gathering of the Church into the clouds to Jesus, men hear the word of God preached to them, then through their faith in that word (particularly that Christ Died for their sin debt) they received the Grace of God.  They are filled with the Holy Ghost and made part of Christ's body.  After words they begin, by God's help through His Holy Ghost, repenting of sin and doing good works.  There is no need for their names be written in the book of life (though they could be) because they are part of Christ's body and all judgement was taken care of on the Cross.  At the Gathering they will be judge for the things done while they were part of Christ's body and given reward for that which was good and no reward for that which was bad. Romans, 1Cor, 1Thess 4, 1 Timothy etc. . .

 

Tribulation until Christ's return to set up the Kingdom (Hebrews-Revelation 19)

Faith+Works=God's Grace

Once the Great tribulation starts men will hear the word of God, believe it in faith, do works like follow the law, overcome, endure to the end of the tribulation when Christ returns to set up the kingdom, help the Jews and if they were a Gentile they would get judged at the GWT and because their names would be written in the book of life (Rev 20) they would get the right to enter the New Jerusalem and eat of the tree of life and have eternal life (Rev 21).

 

Millennial Kingdom and after words for any natural man born after the new earth and heavens (Revelation 20-22)

Faith+works+God's Grace

While in the Millennial Kingdom men may see Christ on the throne their faith will be more on God's word than on Christ's work of the cross (though that will be known).  During the millennial Gentile nations will need to come to Jerusalem by faith in God's word for them to do so, present their gifts, OBlations and sacrifices (not for sin but as an act of worship) in doing so their nations will be blessed with rain and no disease.  If they don't do it they will not get rain and there will be diseases.  Those among those nations who keep to God's word to come with a heart of true worship and not of requirement will have their names in the book of life and their good works recorded. At the GWT judgement they will be judged and will be allowed to enter the New Jerusalem, drink of the river of life, eat from the tree of life, and get eternal life. Zac 14, Rev 20, 21

 

Faith, Works and Grace are God formula for salvation only during the Church Age can a man get God's grace by faith alone without the works of the Law, or of Baptism or Repentance.

 

Wow! I have never heard such stuff in my life, written like you believe.

Where did you learn this?

 

Were you taught this in schooling, or Church? Or did you read some material that got you interested in it, and you checked it out yourself?

I am really curious.

 

This site is the first place I have come across this info. I am reading Larkins book, piecemeal right now.

Have you read his book?

I am not a 'Dispensation' kinda guy, just learning a little about the 'facts'. I haven't read anything in his book I can see in scripture.

 

Yet.

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Wow! I have never heard such stuff in my life, written like you believe.

Where did you learn this?

 

Were you taught this in schooling, or Church? Or did you read some material that got you interested in it, and you checked it out yourself?

I am really curious.

 

This site is the first place I have come across this info. I am reading Larkins book, piecemeal right now.

Have you read his book?

I am not a 'Dispensation' kinda guy, just learning a little about the 'facts'. I haven't read anything in his book I can see in scripture.

 

Yet.

I simply OBserve the text and believe what I read literally unless it can't be.

 

I make OBservation on what takes place with men and God, in each instance from Genesis to Revelation when God dispenses his grace and how he did it and why and to whom and when and where.

 

Look and Jonah 3 the OBservation of the text shows it clearly..  God's word spoken, men believed or had faith, did the works, god saw their works and repented of his desire to destroy them.  Faith+Works=God's Grace

 

Today Belief or Faith in Christ work on the cross, get's a man God's Grace (Eph 2:8and 9), you are given the Holy Ghost as part of that Grace and made part of the Body of Christ, you study God's word (a work required of you but not necessary for salvation) god's word convicts you of sin, you repent of that and correct your life (works).  Faith+God's Grace=Works

 

Am I wrong in the above OBservation?

 

Yes I have Larkin's book and have read it through on a few occasions

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Faith, Works and God Grace have always been and always will be part of man's Salvation in every dispensation.  But how those three applied or worked out during those Economies, Time Periods or Ages were and are different...

 

...Faith, Works and Grace are God formula for salvation only during the Church Age can a man get God's grace by faith alone without the works of the Law, or of Baptism or Repentance.

 

This is a theological trainwreck.  An individual is not the Body of Christ, the local church is part of the Body of Christ.  Seems you're a universal, invisible, church kinda guy like the catholics and her harlots.

 

Then you ignore the existence of the New Testament Church in the four gospels.  Christ did build his church and it was fully functioning before even Calvary.  

 

I really wish you wouldn't post such heresies here.

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I simply OBserve the text and believe what I read literally unless it can't be.

 

I make OBservation on what takes place with men and God, in each instance from Genesis to Revelation when God dispenses his grace and how he did it and why and to whom and when and where.

 

Look and Jonah 3 the OBservation of the text shows it clearly..  God's word spoken, men believed or had faith, did the works, god saw their works and repented of his desire to destroy them.  Faith+Works=God's Grace

 

Today Belief or Faith in Christ work on the cross, get's a man God's Grace (Eph 2:8and 9), you are given the Holy Ghost as part of that Grace and made part of the Body of Christ, you study God's word (a work required of you but not necessary for salvation) god's word convicts you of sin, you repent of that and correct your life (works).  Faith+God's Grace=Works

 

Am I wrong in the above OBservation?

 

Yes I have Larkin's book and have read it through on a few occasions

 

Yes, I believe the text of the scriptures flows evenly all the way through.

And since I have spent 27 years studying the text and reading it over a multitude

of times all the way through, do think you are wrong in the above OBservation.

 

But that is my belief, and OBviously not yours.

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This is a theological trainwreck.  An individual is not the Body of Christ, the local church is part of the Body of Christ.  Seems you're a universal, invisible, church kinda guy like the catholics and her harlots.

 

Then you ignore the existence of the New Testament Church in the four gospels.  Christ did build his church and it was fully functioning before even Calvary.  

 

I really wish you wouldn't post such heresies here.

 

swath, as a former RC I had never heard such a thing. 

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Well, technically I'm wrong.  The catholics (the word catholic means universal) believe there is but one universal church.  Her offspring, in order to have some claim of authority, invented the idea of a universal, invisible, church.  

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I simply OBserve the text and believe what I read literally unless it can't be.

 

I make OBservation on what takes place with men and God, in each instance from Genesis to Revelation when God dispenses his grace and how he did it and why and to whom and when and where.

 

Look and Jonah 3 the OBservation of the text shows it clearly..  God's word spoken, men believed or had faith, did the works, god saw their works and repented of his desire to destroy them.  Faith+Works=God's Grace

 

Today Belief or Faith in Christ work on the cross, get's a man God's Grace (Eph 2:8and 9), you are given the Holy Ghost as part of that Grace and made part of the Body of Christ, you study God's word (a work required of you but not necessary for salvation) god's word convicts you of sin, you repent of that and correct your life (works).  Faith+God's Grace=Works

 

Am I wrong in the above OBservation?

 

Yes I have Larkin's book and have read it through on a few occasions

 

The highlighted section here doesn't match your post above. (post #43)

Just an error on your part? Or does this mean something else?

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This is a theological trainwreck.  An individual is not the Body of Christ, the local church is part of the Body of Christ.  Seems you're a universal, invisible, church kinda guy like the catholics and her harlots.

 

Then you ignore the existence of the New Testament Church in the four gospels.  Christ did build his church and it was fully functioning before even Calvary.  

 

I really wish you wouldn't post such heresies here.

what?!

 

Not at all

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Also, It was not right for covenanter to cut off the list of scriptures about baptism under the Gospel of the Kingdom and just leave the one about the son of Zacharia where it referred to the OT ordinance of the Nazarite.  In doing so he makes it seem that I suggested that there was required baptism in the OT something I never alluded to or said.

I indicated other Scriptures, but omitted them for brevity.

the additional scriptures did in fact follow a rhyme and reason of thought that was quite clear.  so leaving them out makes it as thought"It's not easy to follow AVBB's thinking".  At the least he should have put a link to the original post so you could be sure he point on my thinking was not easy to follow was true, of which it wasn't true.

 

My thinking was clear and to the point in the partially quoted quote and it could have been seen if Covenanter was being truthful concerning the original post and he wasn't.

 

If you make baptisms and washings the same you will run into huge prOBlems and that is where the landmark brider baptist have gone into their teaching that baptism is not for the Body of Christ during the church Age.

 

Covenanter please list each answer for your questions you asked.  You already have your own answers for them.  List them out and let others see what you are talking about because it is hard to follow your thinking unless you put in your answers.

Is baptism commanded or practised or prophesied in the OT?

 

Why did the Pharisees expect Christ, Elias, & that prophet to baptise?

 

Why did the Hebrews writer propose to write about baptisms? And did he?

 

What is baptism? What does it signify, & does how is is administered show every aspect of its significance?

 

How should we regard notable paedOBaptists - including the KJV translators, the hymn-writer Isaac Watts, & the leaders of the Methodist & other revivals?

 

When a godly paedOBaptist leader comes to us, should we demand he be baptised (against his own understanding) or should he be treated as an unbaptised non-member?

 

What is baptism with/of/by the Holy Spirit?

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Guided by Hebrews 9:10 & the examples - the red heifer routine for of Num. 19 & the blood of the covenant of Ex. 24, the divers washings/baptisms were sprinkling for symbolic flesh purifying, contrasted with the blood of Christ providing conscience cleansing. It is not wrong to consider that the water of Christian baptism represents the sprinkled blood of Christ, so that baptism by sprinkling is not an easy option but the equivalent of the OT sprinkling of the sacrficial blood. It is possible that Peter has that in mind when he writes that we are Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto OBedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: He further writes The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

Ezekiel prophesies: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.  Eze. 36:24-29 If John's baptism was according to that prophecy, & if baptism with water represents the applied sacrificial blood, so providing spiritual cleansing, then the Jews had Scriptural reason for accepting John's baptism, John 1:25  connecting it with sprinkled blood baptisms & with the ultimate water baptism representing the blood of the Saviour. Isaiah prophesies: So shall he sprinkle many nations.  Isa. 52:15 which immediate preceeds Isa. 53.

 

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is from above, again allowing water baptism to be by sprinkling. It all depends on the emphasis we place on such texts as Rom. 6:4 which indicates that immersion was the preferred mode. I'm happy with either mode - for believers only.

 

Baptism doesn't save, but represents our new life in Christ, cleansed by his precious blood. The mode of baptism has significance and a baptismal sermon will make the significance clear. Godly paedOBaptists knew & preached the Gospel, they demanded repentance & faith of their hearers, most of whom would have been baptised in infancy. They knew baptism without a living faith was worthless - so they preached. But they accepted infant (covenant) baptism on the analogy with circumcision, an acceptance of the baby into the Christian community, but that baptism had to be confirmed. I don't agree, but I welcome them as brothers & sisters in the faith. (And as my wife!)

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no, but you are messing with grammatical structure.  It may continue but is was not about them doing it before he baptized them.  It was something in addition to their being baptized because the gospel of the Kingdom was a work based salvation process as was all salvatin under the economy of Law.

 

 

There never was a works based salvation.

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Just a quick thought.

As Baptists, did we not carry our doctrines down through the centuries of history, from the very beginning?

I think we did. I think the right 'church' carried the right ideology of what doctrines, and what baptisms were the correct one's.

All the way down to now.

There are two baptisms, physical, and spiritual (in the proper meaning of the word, not 'charismatic-wise')

Hence, plurality of 'baptisms' in Hebrews.

 

Not that people that baptize different ways aren't saved, it's just, in my opinion, they do not have the 'anchor' of the proper doctrinal mode.

I can see what Covenanter is saying though. The mode does not 'make' the Christian.

And representations for expressing the 'thought' of baptism are interesting in themselves. One's that may express a way of testimony

that may affect others emotionally, and 'click' with them. I like looking at the different modes the way he has brought it out.

 

Thanks Covenanter.

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Well, technically I'm wrong.  The catholics (the word catholic means universal) believe there is but one universal church.  Her offspring, in order to have some claim of authority, invented the idea of a universal, invisible, church.  

 

I think you are wrong here.  The Catholics teach one VISIBLE church,which is  herself.  Non Catholics believe in one invisible church, of which all true believers belong, of which Jesus said: "I will build my church." Matthew 16:18.  He didn't say "I will build my churches."

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Is baptism commanded or practised or prophesied in the OT?

 

Why did the Pharisees expect Christ, Elias, & that prophet to baptise?

 

Why did the Hebrews writer propose to write about baptisms? And did he?

 

What is baptism? What does it signify, & does how is is administered show every aspect of its significance?

 

How should we regard notable paedOBaptists - including the KJV translators, the hymn-writer Isaac Watts, & the leaders of the Methodist & other revivals?

 

When a godly paedOBaptist leader comes to us, should we demand he be baptised (against his own understanding) or should he be treated as an unbaptised non-member?

 

What is baptism with/of/by the Holy Spirit?

==========

Guided by Hebrews 9:10 & the examples - the red heifer routine for of Num. 19 & the blood of the covenant of Ex. 24, the divers washings/baptisms were sprinkling for symbolic flesh purifying, contrasted with the blood of Christ providing conscience cleansing. It is not wrong to consider that the water of Christian baptism represents the sprinkled blood of Christ, so that baptism by sprinkling is not an easy option but the equivalent of the OT sprinkling of the sacrficial blood. It is possible that Peter has that in mind when he writes that we are Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto OBedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: He further writes The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

Ezekiel prophesies: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.  Eze. 36:24-29 If John's baptism was according to that prophecy, & if baptism with water represents the applied sacrificial blood, so providing spiritual cleansing, then the Jews had Scriptural reason for accepting John's baptism, John 1:25  connecting it with sprinkled blood baptisms & with the ultimate water baptism representing the blood of the Saviour. Isaiah prophesies: So shall he sprinkle many nations.  Isa. 52:15 which immediate preceeds Isa. 53.

 

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is from above, again allowing water baptism to be by sprinkling. It all depends on the emphasis we place on such texts as Rom. 6:4 which indicates that immersion was the preferred mode. I'm happy with either mode - for believers only.

 

Baptism doesn't save, but represents our new life in Christ, cleansed by his precious blood. The mode of baptism has significance and a baptismal sermon will make the significance clear. Godly paedOBaptists knew & preached the Gospel, they demanded repentance & faith of their hearers, most of whom would have been baptised in infancy. They knew baptism without a living faith was worthless - so they preached. But they accepted infant (covenant) baptism on the analogy with circumcision, an acceptance of the baby into the Christian community, but that baptism had to be confirmed. I don't agree, but I welcome them as brothers & sisters in the faith. (And as my wife!)

 I know of two evangelical CofE ministers who do not practise infant baptism, and only baptize believers by immersion.  BUT, they will not re-baptize someone who was baptized as a baby.  They would lose their jOBs if they did.  One will send such candidates to the local Baptist church for baptism.   

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 I know of two evangelical CofE ministers who do not practise infant baptism, and only baptize believers by immersion.  BUT, they will not re-baptize someone who was baptized as a baby.  They would lose their jOBs if they did.  One will send such candidates to the local Baptist church for baptism.   

 

Sounds like they need to start a new church! ;-)

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