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So you don't see heaven as perfect? Isaiah 14:12 You see the devil and his third not cast out of God's heaven? And what about when the devil went up to heaven and talked to God in JOB?

 

I must say, I've always assumed  the "good" in Genesis was the same as perfect. This is a new one to me. I need to think about that for awhile.

The abode of God known as the third heaven is perfect.  while the devil is cast out of God's abode he is in the universe and the earth.

 

Gods abode is separated from the universe by the firmament, also known as a heaven.  I do not see the universe nor our atmosphere, both known as heavens, as perfect, No.

 

Holy means perfect

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If there were a possible link to Scripture, explaining the various types of Gospels, then I would look them up. I'm not interested in links to sermons.

 

Peter & Paul agreed on the Law of Moses - Jews are welcome to OBey it, but NOT for salvation. Of course the Jewish Christians continued to circumcise their children, OBey the commandments, etc, so that they would give no offence to the unconverted Jews.

Acts 21:18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they OBserve no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

 

After Paul's arrest he was able to say:

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disOBedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22 Having therefore OBtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23 that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

 

Paul's Gospel preached to the Jews & Gentiles was exactlythe same.

 

But while you are making assertions about different Gospels, I looked up references to "gospel of" to find 31 exact matches.   - the gospel of the kingdom; the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; the gospel of the grace of God; the gospel of his Son; the gospel of Christ; the gospel of peace; the glorious gospel of Christ; the gospel of the uncircumcision ..... the gospel of the circumcision; the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ; the glorious gospel of the blessed God. How does "right division" carve up that lot?

 

You "right dividers" need to study the unity of Scripture - or just the Scripture - with a paradigm centred on Jesus, Lord & Christ. There is no other gospel for the Jews who rejected the Gospel, not were the Jews who welcomed the Gospel saved by another gospel.

 

Paul's "offence" was preaching Jesus Christ as Lord to Jew & Gentile. 

The gospel of grace is to be preached to both Jew and gentile alike.

 

The gospel of the kingdom was to be taught to Israel only.

 

Look up the term church of the wilderness or of the first born and let's see if you can identify them.

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What should be rebuked is all this false teaching of differing gospels and wrongly dividing of the Word that seems to have become habitual.

 

What could have been a nice thread on the possible timing of a rapture or catching away as Mike put forth instead turned into a choice between reading jabs at Mike, false teachings and yet another thread where unscriptural dispensational nonsense takes over the topic.

HEH. Mike's a big boy, though and he can handle a few jabs. Its actually been friendlier toward me than some I have experienced in the context. Hopefully I can get a bit of time in this evening and put out some more.

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"Baptismal Regeneration" is a phrase you seem stuck-on-repeating in an attempt to label me a "heretic".

even though you know that I never used that phrase.

If you don't like the verses that I posted then, simply change the words.  I'm sure the Geneva "translation"

reads differently than the King James and countless "other" translations.

You know full well  that I never used the term "baptismal regeneration", yet you continue to attach that label. 

Some might characterize such things as slanderous.

 

Now run along and try to find more "dirt" to throw at me

For example, so far: 

Since I simply mentioned "J. Vernon McGee", perhaps you can continue digging into statements made by J. Vernon McGee a half-century ago to somehow "attach" these to me.

Or perhaps try to "find dirt" about a "Biola University" that I did not attend, but you seem to insist that I did, in an attempt to back-up your accusations of "heresy".

 

So what!

You never used the phrase? What difference does that make?

 

Do you believe the 'Bible'? That word is not in the scriptures. Do you attend a 'Baptist Church'? That church name is not in the scriptures.

 

Do you comprehend terminology? Do you understand what baptismal regeneration is? I think you do. 

 

So what's your prOBlem? 

You don't have to use the 'name' of the false doctrine to believe it or teach it.

 

If you truly believe the stuff you said about 'washings' then you condemn yourself to this definition.

 

Alex Campbell and you agree. That is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy! Nor you. (you are not my enemy, and I do not think that.)

 

Alex 'converted' thousands of Baptists (in name only, OBviously!) church members to 'his' way of 'washing' for forgiveness of sins.

 

That was and still is heresy against the Baptist faith of the Holy Scriptures being our only rule and guide of faith, and Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection being the fulfillment

of God's love for the whole world! 

 

One salvation for all!!

 

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." - Sound familiar??

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A very big AMEN Covenanter!

Maybe some here ought to look up the word 'church' in Acts? Saul was wreaking havoc on the church, was he not?
Now, if you believe the word of God, that means the Jews. I agree!
Jews and the church!! Both one and the same instrument and tool of God! NOT Judaism and the church!!

No disrespect to Jewish descendants, but Judaism is a false doctrine invented by lost people, they just happened to be Jews.

I grew up with Jews, and they are the same as every other human, but lost is lost, no matter what race.
I went to one of their elementary schools.
I, as a child was treated very cruel by some of them, but loved extremely by others of them in my classes.
They treated me the same as other schools I attended, and they are very human. (My multiple schools are a history in themselves.)
But, lost is lost, and when they get saved, they become the church!
Then, and now!
THAT is when they become the 'chosen people'!!
Israel was in the wilderness, but only the believing followers of God were allowed to survive!
THAT is the true Israel that the Lord God lead through the wilderness, not those who were rebellious and despised God and his authority!
Judaism is not of Christ Jesus, and he was not one of them.
Jesus was, is, and always shall be God in human form, and not capable of being a religious follower of Judaism.

You are wrong, my friend, some are more lost than others....the Jews.

Mat 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.



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You are wrong, my friend, some are more lost than others....the Jews.

Mat 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.



Anishinaabe

 

Yes, I hadn't thought of that. Good point!

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So what!

You never used the phrase? What difference does that make?

 

Do you believe the 'Bible'? That word is not in the scriptures. Do you attend a 'Baptist Church'? That church name is not in the scriptures.

 

Do you comprehend terminology? Do you understand what baptismal regeneration is? I think you do. 

 

So what's your prOBlem? 

You don't have to use the 'name' of the false doctrine to believe it or teach it.

 

If you truly believe the stuff you said about 'washings' then you condemn yourself to this definition.

 

Alex Campbell and you agree. That is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy! Nor you. (you are not my enemy, and I do not think that.)

 

Alex 'converted' thousands of Baptists (in name only, OBviously!) church members to 'his' way of 'washing' for forgiveness of sins.

 

That was and still is heresy against the Baptist faith of the Holy Scriptures being our only rule and guide of faith, and Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection being the fulfillment

of God's love for the whole world! 

 

One salvation for all!!

 

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." - Sound familiar??

Seriously, nothing you say "sounds familiar" or "makes sense" to me.  You have a vivid wild imagination, and blurt out all sorts of accusations.

On a more liberal forum, I might inquire what you were smoking, and suggest you put it down and "just say no". :)

Aparently it is a great effort on your part to read of John's Baptism in the River Jordan and Jesus' baptism by John.  It would appear that it is a great effort yielding small results in comprehension.

Perhaps the real prOBlem likes in you lack of proper research and understanding into the subject of Baptism used throughout the Bible.  Rather than having a clear understanding of it yourself, you seem project your confusion and misunderstanding onto others?

 

Perhaps the Geneva Bible that you use does not have a concordance where you can do a word-search.  That would be a shame, but understandable.  The King James has a plethora of free helps.

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You are wrong, my friend, some are more lost than others....the Jews.

Mat 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.



Anishinaabe

Wrong - Jesus denounced the Jewish leaders who heard his teaching, saw his miracles & understood who he was, yet rejected him. He warned "this generation" repeatedly of their lost state, & warned them that all they trusted in would be destroyed - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

The self curse the Jews called on themselves - Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children -  was cancelled for those who repented by the Gospel preached at Pentecost - For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

God's wrath against "this generation" that rejected him AND the Gospel of salvation ended with the AD 70 destruction he prophesied at Olivet. Paul asserts - Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. Stephen declares them uncircumcised - Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

 

John in Rev. 7 sees God's Jewish servants (144,000) sealed before the wrath of God falls & later sees them as "firstfruits." Believing Jews were delivered from Jerusalem before the AD 70 destruction. He also sees Jews numbered with believers in glory.  Every kindred is a tribal relationship. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

The Jews are welcomed by the Gospel. Many thousands were saved before the destruction, in Israel and around the Roman world & beyond - including Babylon & Ethiopia. How many millions of believers of Jewish ancestry is impossible to calculate - they are generally rejected by their family & community & are absorbed into the church. And in the church they are numbered as one people of God - a relationship established in the OT promises, claimed for the church & seen gloriously in the NH&NE where ALL the promises of God to Israel are fulfilled for Abraham's seed & all families on earth. 

 

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.    

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Wrong - Jesus denounced the Jewish leaders who heard his teaching, saw his miracles & understood who he was, yet rejected him. He warned "this generation" repeatedly of their lost state, & warned them that all they trusted in would be destroyed - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The self curse the Jews called on themselves - Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children - was cancelled for those who repented by the Gospel preached at Pentecost - For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

God's wrath against "this generation" that rejected him AND the Gospel of salvation ended with the AD 70 destruction he prophesied at Olivet. Paul asserts - Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. Stephen declares them uncircumcised - Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

John in Rev. 7 sees God's Jewish servants (144,000) sealed before the wrath of God falls & later sees them as "firstfruits." Believing Jews were delivered from Jerusalem before the AD 70 destruction. He also sees Jews numbered with believers in glory. Every kindred is a tribal relationship. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The Jews are welcomed by the Gospel. Many thousands were saved before the destruction, in Israel and around the Roman world & beyond - including Babylon & Ethiopia. How many millions of believers of Jewish ancestry is impossible to calculate - they are generally rejected by their family & community & are absorbed into the church. And in the church they are numbered as one people of God - a relationship established in the OT promises, claimed for the church & seen gloriously in the NH&NE where ALL the promises of God to Israel are fulfilled for Abraham's seed & all families on earth.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

There is no such thing as "Jewish Ancestry"
There are Hebrews.


Anishinaabe

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There is no such thing as "Jewish Ancestry"
There are Hebrews.


Anishinaabe

Don't you just hate it when a carefully worded, Scriptural post is dismissed with an irrelevant comment.

 

Have you read your own previous comment?

 

You are wrong, my friend, some are more lost than others....the Jews.

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Don't you just hate it when a carefully worded, Scriptural post is dismissed with an irrelevant comment.

Have you read your own previous comment?

Jew is a religion, not an ancestry.
Not all Jews are Hebrew, not all Hebrews are Jews.

Anishinaabe

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I have looked through the pages to find Beam's post, regarding "baptism" of the Jews, GP.  I found swath's post.
 

beameup, on 06 May 2014 - 12:45 AM, said:snapback.png

 

Ceremonial washing has always been an integral part of Judiasm.  John the Baptist call his kinsmen to repent and be baptized.

Believers in Jesus also were ceremonially washed as a sign of repentence.  This was done to prepare the way for the Lord.

The ideal would have been for the whole nation to be baptized and receive their Messiah to sit on David's Throne.

Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem and his kinsmen (genetic Jews) will serve him in Israel in the future.

 

We, as Gentile believers are not bound by Judiasm, we are "baptized" in the Holy Spirit. 

   

We, as Gentile believers are not bound by Judiasm, we are "baptized" in the Holy Spirit. 
 

I don't believe Beam is talking about anything charismatic here b/c he put the word, "baptized" in quotation marks.  I believe he is talking about John baptizing the Jews in the river Jordan the way born again Christians are baptized.  I could be wrong, though.  

 

 

Why don't you guys knock it off or take it private?  You're cluttering up a post with lots of good information (most of it written by me).

 

 

 

 

:face:   That last part is a joke for those of you in Rio Linda.

 LOL swath.

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Back to topic.

 

Hopefully we agree:

Jesus is coming again for resurrection, aka the rapture.

Events under discussion include the great tribulation, the rapture/resurrection, the millennium, 

 Jesus' Olivet prophecy relates to the AD70 destruction, with possible allusions to the second coming as there is no clear recorded fulfilment.

Salvation is only by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.

The church comprises Jews and Gentiles as one redeemed people of God.

All prophecy will be perfectly fulfilled in the New Heaven and New Earth, not the millennium.

Scripture leaves room for discussion and courteous disagreement 

 

We disagree on the timing, and the whole scheme of prophecy, the date of Revelation, the extent of the fulfilment of the Olivet prophecy, the 70 weeks, the finality of the second coming, the fulfilment of the OT promises to Israel, the inclusion of Gentiles in the promises to Abraham, the salvation of "all Israel" 

And the extent to which the future can be known from Scripture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You are wrong, my friend, some are more lost than others....the Jews.

Mat 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.



Anishinaabe

more lost than others.

 

Very interesting.

 

The lost are all lost none more than the others.

 

But if you are talking about levels of punishment that has nothing to do with one being more lost than another.

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Just to be clear them, beam are you stating a Jew would need to be baptized to receive Christ? Just a yes or no, I don't need your dissertation

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a Jew under the gospel of the kingdom (which is not active today but will be during the tribulation) would have to be repent and be baptised.

 

But a Jew under the gospel of the Grace of God, taught by Paul, needs only to believe through faith on the finished work of the Cross, the same as anyone in this church age.

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Back to topic.

 

Hopefully we agree:

Jesus is coming again for resurrection, aka the rapture.

Events under discussion include the great tribulation, the rapture/resurrection, the millennium, 

 Jesus' Olivet prophecy relates to the AD70 destruction, with possible allusions to the second coming as there is no clear recorded fulfilment.

Salvation is only by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.

The church comprises Jews and Gentiles as one redeemed people of God.

All prophecy will be perfectly fulfilled in the New Heaven and New Earth, not the millennium.

Scripture leaves room for discussion and courteous disagreement 

 

We disagree on the timing, and the whole scheme of prophecy, the date of Revelation, the extent of the fulfilment of the Olivet prophecy, the 70 weeks, the finality of the second coming, the fulfilment of the OT promises to Israel, the inclusion of Gentiles in the promises to Abraham, the salvation of "all Israel" 

And the extent to which the future can be known from Scripture.

 

I agree with your post, except the highlighted section, Covenanter (if I am understanding it correctly).  As I have stated before, it was the barbaric Romans that destroyed the temple in AD 70.  They were looking for "Jew Gold" when they tore it down and found nothing.  1/3 of the Jews will be saved in the Great Tribulation, as it states in the Book of Daniel.  The Apostle Paul witnesses to the Jews in the Book of Romans, as well.  I am on my Iphone, so I don't have the actual scriptures. I also don't have an app. on my phone to look up the scriptures.  Half the time when I am on OB, I don't have my Bible handy, as I am posting from my IPhone.  If you are someone would post those scriptures, it would be helpful.  Also, the men on OB are great with the scriptures.  I type them out by hand b/c I don't know how to download a KJV site to my computer. 

    :amen:  to your above post, Ukelelemike.

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a Jew under the gospel of the kingdom (which is not active today but will be during the tribulation) would have to be repent and be baptised.

 

 

What are your scripture references for this?  If you're so inclined to answer, may I suggest starting a new topic?

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What are your scripture references for this?  If you're so inclined to answer, may I suggest starting a new topic?

And here all along I thought you knew the scriptures.  Here they are:

 

John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and His disciples ministry from Matthew through Acts 7 was to Israel ONLY.  the gospel they preached was the gospel of the Kingdom and belief on that Gospel required repentance and baptism.  If Israel believed, repented and was baptized they received salvation.  If not they were condemned.

 

read them through look at the message and what was done when they heard the message and who it was that was preached too.

 

This gospel is not preached today.  The gospel of Grace is preached today and it does not require repentance or baptism only belief through faith.  and the gospel of Grace is for all men not just Israel as was the kingdom Gospel.

 

Lu 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

 

Mt 15:21 ¶ Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

Mt 3:1 ¶  In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
 4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

 6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

 

Mt 4: 17, 23 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. . .
¶ And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

 

Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
 6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;
 7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
 8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost
.

 

Mr 1: 6, 14-15 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. . . . . ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 

Lu 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
 3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
 5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
 6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
 7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
 8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

Lu 3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?

 

Lu 3:21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

 

Lu 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
 29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

 

Joh 3:22 ¶ After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
 24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
 25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
 26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

 

Joh 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
 3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

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And here all along I thought you knew the scriptures. Here they are:

John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and His disciples ministry from Matthew through Acts 7 was to Israel ONLY. the gospel they preached was the gospel of the Kingdom and belief on that Gospel required repentance and baptism. If Israel believed, repented and was baptized they received salvation. If not they were condemned.

read them through look at the message and what was done when they heard the message and who it was that was preached too.

This gospel is not preached today. The gospel of Grace is preached today and it does not require repentance or baptism only belief through faith. and the gospel of Grace is for all men not just Israel as was the kingdom Gospel.

Lu 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.


Mt 15:21 ¶ Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Mt 3:1 ¶ In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mt 4: 17, 23 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. . .
¶ And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.


Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;
7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost
.

Mr 1: 6, 14-15 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. . . . . ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


Lu 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.


Lu 3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?

Lu 3:21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

Lu 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.


Joh 3:22 ¶ After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.


Joh 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

So, we don't Baptize, in this "church age"?

Anishinaabe

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