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 I'm not sure where people in churches today get this idea of "permanent soul ties". 

 

I think they're trying to spiritualize the feelings a woman has for a man.  An adulterous woman is going to have an emotional attachment, however slight, for each man she has been with.  For today's worldly and lost women, that adds up to a lot of pain and sadness.

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I think they're trying to spiritualize the feelings a woman has for a man.  An adulterous woman is going to have an emotional attachment, however slight, for each man she has been with.  For today's worldly and lost women, that adds up to a lot of pain and sadness.

Exactly, and I've seen this theory come up in some of the more charismatic, and even dominionist movement circles. This concept of giving pieces of your soul away to others. I'm not saying that when we allow people into our lives we don't form bonds, but the Bible states that those ties can be broken. That in the case of marriage, it's never God's intent that they be broken, but that because of "hardness of heart" it does happen. I read a supposedly Christian article once that said if a young woman uses a particular type of feminine hygiene product she is soul tied to it, because it has been used in an "intimate fashion". Not trying to be graphic, but I think this illustrates just how far this type of romanticism and even borderline mysticism can be taken.

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I know several same-sex couples who are very healthy families.  One couple I knew raised children together and were committed for 40 years before her partner died.  Their children are productive, healthy, happy people today.  Another couple has a son in my daughter's class.  One of the strongest families I know.  One mother a doctor, the other a stay at home mother, and the child is very intelligent, well rounded, kind, and loving. 

 

I'm not saying starting a family like that is right.  But where there is a family, there God can and does work through those situations. 

 

I don't see it any differently than where there was an affair.  It is a broken, situation.  But there is room for the healing and grace of God to work therein without causing more pain and tearing apart a family. 

 

All I am saying is we will see families like this.  My question is how the church should reach them.  I do not think the answer is to merely exclude and reject them until they separate.

Why would you know them? Why?

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I hope you can begin to separate your thoughts on things from what God actually says.  

This, exactly. As I said somewhere up-thread, this is a difficult subject for many Christians, because most of us know, or love, someone who professes to be "gay". I have a cousin who is a lesbian and another cousin who is "transgendered". It's very difficult to reconcile my personal feelings of familial love for them with what my God says about their chosen behavior. Both of my cousins proclaim this is the way God made them, and ask if it's such a sin, why would He make them that way? I have tried explaining to them we are all born with a sin nature, but that doesn't mean we should give into the devil. We are to resist him! They say, "well, I was born this way, the same way a black person is born with the color of their skin." Because there is so much acceptance toward these reprOBate lifestyles today, the homosexual offender has given up all hope in being radically changed by God. They just throw up their hands and say, "oh well. It's who I am". It doesn't help when you have groups, such as Exodus International, coming forth and saying, "nope, you can't change. You're still going to be gay. Sorry we lied to you". 

 

Just 40 years ago they removed homosexuality from the DSM-IV. There were still some mental illnesses related to homosexuality that remained as a part of the diagnostic criteria, but all references to homosexuality were removed from the DSM-IV by 1986, due to heavy pressure from the radical queer activist groups. The other day I was commenting on a news article. Our state voted in favor of passing a law against sodomite marriages in 2004. Now the radical activists are suing the state, claiming it's unconstitutional to not allow them to marry. I made a comment in favor of traditional marriage and several people referred to me as "mentally ill" for calling it a sin. Even some so-called Christians. It's amazing how aberrant sexual behavior was once considered the mental illness, and now simply saying you don't agree with it called a mental illness.

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Homosexuality/Sodomy (and that IS what it is!) Is horrifyingly sinful, and a sin against one's own self!

People who have compassion on these animals are corrupt in their stand for right living, IF that's what they really are striving for.

Come on folks read Romans 1 and learn what God says to do with people like this. Stay FAR away from such!!

NOTHING good will come of it. They will infiltrate the church and weaken it, and eventually become a perverted church.

Tell'em to leave you alone, and shame them like real Christians used to, and bring back our moral society again!

Just because they come out of the closet, let's shove 'em back in and close the door!

Conversion should be preached and NO friendship made, as if they were murderers on the loose!

I am sick of this sin!

 

Venting with no regret!

 

And no hatred!

Edited by Genevanpreacher

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May I just say that one thing I'm tired of is when people (even people who claim to be Christians) say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, because homosexuality didn't exist back during the time the Bible was authored. I mean, what sort of logical gymnastics must one perform to reach that conclusion? Liberals claim the Bible only addresses "Pagan male prostitution". That King James invented the word "homosexuality". Oh, and let's not forget that the sin of Sodom was being "inhospitable". 

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Both of my cousins proclaim this is the way God made them, and ask if it's such a sin, why would He make them that way? I have tried explaining to them we are all born with a sin nature, but that doesn't mean we should give into the devil. We are to resist him! They say, "well, I was born this way, the same way a black person is born with the color of their skin." Because there is so much acceptance toward these reprOBate lifestyles today, the homosexual offender has given up all hope in being radically changed by God. They just throw up their hands and say, "oh well. It's who I am". 

 

Believing that God made them that way is the first lie they believe.  What they do not understand or are more likely supressing, is that we all have a sin nature.  Their favorite sin just happens to be sodomy and fornication.  The other lie they believe is that they are the same as black folks.  Now that defies all logic, but the liberal mind operates on emotion, not logic.  

 

They haven't given up hope of being changed, they've exchange the truth for a pack of lies.  Deep down they know it's wrong but they love their sin unto death and will do anything to continue doing it as they are not ready to make repentance towards God and put their trust in Jesus Christ.  

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Believing that God made them that way is the first lie they believe.  What they do not understand or are more likely supressing, is that we all have a sin nature.  Their favorite sin just happens to be sodomy and fornication.  The other lie they believe is that they are the same as black folks.  Now that defies all logic, but the liberal mind operates on emotion, not logic.  

 

They haven't given up hope of being changed, they've exchange the truth for a pack of lies.  Deep down they know it's wrong but they love their sin unto death and will do anything to continue doing it as they are not ready to make repentance towards God and put their trust in Jesus Christ.  

 

This all is part of that science falsely so called. Like evolution, they take small pieces of fact, intermingle a good deal of contrived "science", stir in a good dose of hopes and dreams, and tell us this is true scientific fact.

 

The fact is in 1993 the National Cancer Institute found that gay men (only) shared genetic signatures on part of the X chromosome, Xq28. Further studies have found this initial study to be not at all conclusive, and the current stance is "Homosexuality is only partly genetic with sexuality mostly based on environmental and social factors, scientists believe"1. I find it interesting that while they found this supposed evidence in males, no such genetic evidence has been found for female homosexuals.

 

I once discussed this subject with a homosexual and his stance was that, 'no, they hadn't found genetic proof yet, but it was just a matter of time'. Therein lies the crux of what is often being called scientific fact today. "I believe it, and I believe it is just a matter of time until they prove it, so it must be true". In other words, science falsely so called.

 

1 - Sarah Knapton, Science Correspondent for The Telegraph. 13 Feb. 2014

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The human mind is a wonderful thing.  If one's conciense finds him guilty of something all one has to do is think it over for a wnile and a justification can be found.  Wallah, :humble:I'm okay.

 

God bless,

Larry

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'Neoorthodoxy' and 'social gospel' religions want to make homosexuality OK. They want to remove it from the SIN category. No matter how much they seek to change Christian's opinions...there is still the Word of God prOBlem for them. You know KOB, you've been attempting this for years, why don't you give it up. No matter what kind of suit you dress this SIN in, at the end of the day it is still SIN. Sin has consequences and repercussions for the sinner and on the innocent entangled with that sin. This particular sin of lust is no different than any other sin of lust.

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Unfortunately, the way science is proceeding, one of these days we may actually have to contend with the presence of children having DNA from two different people of the same gender. That is, unless God simply does not allow that to 'work.'

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You know the thing I can't figure out? How the liberal mind, which requires evolution as a way of avoiding the existence of a Creator God, can possible justify sodomy as being genetic. Natural selection as a means of the evolution of species must necessarily select out those who are producing no progeny! The genetic material would thus not be passed down to create more sodomites, and they would cease to exist. Case closed!

 

You must understand that the liberal mind exists on emotion, not logic.  

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You know the thing I can't figure out? How the liberal mind, which requires evolution as a way of avoiding the existence of a Creator God, can possible justify sodomy as being genetic. Natural selection as a means of the evolution of species must necessarily select out those who are producing no progeny! The genetic material would thus not be passed down to create more sodomites, and they would cease to exist. Case closed!

 

As an atheist who studied evolution at uni, I never had a prOBlem reconciling it, since several plausible explanations flow naturally out of the basic theory of evolution itself. Of course, as with most things (my own belief in theory of gravity and molecular theory for example!), the majority of folk who believe in evolution have never studied it and have almost no interest in it, so they don't have the means or inclination to justify anything by it. :-)

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The fact most people simply aren't interested is a key factor. These tend to either just accept whatever they are taught, giving it no real thought, or they reject the teaching as the absurdity it is but since they don't care about the subject they either accept some other possible explanation or give it no further thought.

 

It's like these interviews they do on the news sometimes where a reporter will go to a college campus and ask basic questions to which the college students have no answer for.

 

Perhaps even more telling was during OBama's first presidential run when a Fox News reporter went to several pro-OBama rallies and asked his supporters what OBama's position was on several key issues and not a single one at any of the rallies had an answer.

 

Much of the population seems to operate as if ignorance truly is bliss. What's more, they don't care. This leaves us with much of the population living their lives, casting their ballots and making their decisions on the foundation of ignorance and apathy.

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True, John. And there are important things we ought to study and to my shame I can identify many things to which I ought to have dedicated a lot more time in study and prayer than I have. But most of us aren't polymaths and we can't learn everything, so we must pick and choose in order to 'redeem the time' as well as we can.

 

Just one example: I have no more than a senior school (i.e. to 16 years old) understanding of gravity, most of which I've forgotten. I could prOBably give a very sketchy description of some of the Newtonian laws of motion and that's about it. I certainly wouldn't be able to defend the theory without a trip to the library, nor would I be able to 'justify' my belief in it, since I've never fact-checked any of it by, for instance, repeating experiments I learned about, looking up landmark papers to check they really say what the textbooks claim they say etc. In fact, I've never been to see an original copy of Newton's Principia to check that it really exists (or that Newton himself ever existed, for that matter).

 

Why not? Well, I guess it hasn't been important enough to me; I haven't needed to have a working knowledge of it to get by. I can see why many feel the same way about learning natural history.

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Alimantado,

 

Absolutely we can't know everything, and many things are not worth knowing and many other things it's not necessary to know much at all about.

 

I was speaking mostly with regards to the masses who take stands based on nothing more than emotion, exceedingly limited knowledge or acceptance of faulty information. Such as the example of so many OBama voters who voted for him just so they could say they voted for the first black president, or because he was perceived to be cool, or young and hip, fresh, or someone who would do things differently. Meanwhile, so many of these voters had no idea at all what OBama's actual positions were or his stated goals or agenda.

 

For Christians, our main focus should be upon abiding in the Word, drawing closer to the Lord. That doesn't mean we will come to a point where we know the whole Word, have all the details figured out, that we can expertly address any aspect of Scripture. It does mean, as the Lord leads, we should be growing in knowledge and understanding of the Word.

 

The prOBlem is, even among the masses of Christians, most are willing to settle for knowing little, accepting what some preacher said, what they read in a book or saw in a move or TV show, making their decisions based upon limited or no understanding of the Word on a matter.

 

When it comes to creation, it seems perfectly clear to me there was a literal six day creation. When it comes to matters of the end times, while I have my leanings, I've still not come across a 100% airtight presentation of what will occur. I'll continue to study this as the Lord leads in this area, as well as with the rest of Scripture.

 

So really, my previous post was mostly about the masses apathy and ignorance, and their willingness to live and make decisions in accordance. I wasn't attempting to say that we, or anyone else, should study out every topic under the sun. While I have no need to delve into nuclear physics, others do. Yet when it comes to Scripture, all who claim the name of Christ should read and study the Word as the Lord leads; not to be experts in the Word, but to grow in the Word as the Lord leads.

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I forgot to add, going back to Salyan's post and the point I was trying to make in response: OBviously, like you say, John, a Christian ought to study God's word, and when it comes to Genesis I can see how some might go on to study cosmology and natural history both out of interest and for practical purposes such as apologetics. But when it comes to most non-Christians, natural history (e.g. evolution) and genetics and stuff is going to be totally unimportant to them, trivia topics at best, so it would come as no surprise to me if I learned that most hadn't taken a critical look at evolution, genetics, genetic basis of homosexuality (or not) and stuff like that.

 

I don't think any of what I've just said there disagrees with your points, John...

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We are in agreement!

 

Before I was saved I didn't give the evolution that much thought. I was in fifth grade before I really heard much about it and our science teacher that year really stressed it. To my young mind it basically made sense and it was fun to think about.

 

It wasn't until after I was saved, after I was out of high school, and I read a book dealing with the subject that I actually thought about it.

 

The same with homosexuality. Around this rural area there was never much talk about such or seeing any homosexuals around. All I knew was the very limited stuff I had picked up on TV and since I wasn't a homosexual it didn't mean anything to me. Again, until after I was saved, I didn't give the matter any real thought.

 

Abortion was another of those things. About all I knew was what little I got from TV and my basic thought was, that's their business, not others. Again, not something I had given any real thought to at all. Then after I was saved I took a real look at it.

 

So, were I still lost, I may have never given any of these things much thought and may still be like the ignorant and apathetic masses! Praise the Lord for salvation and opening my eyes!!

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Unfortunately, the way science is proceeding, one of these days we may actually have to contend with the presence of children having DNA from two different people of the same gender. That is, unless God simply does not allow that to 'work.'

It still belongs in the SIN column...I don't know what further repercussions might occur in the offspring...sorrow comes to mind but, Godly sorrow only God would know. 

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When my son was 2 years old (he is now 23) I took him to get his second haircut.  Somehow, I found a man who cut hair, with his partner, in a house in a nearby suburb.  Both of us went to him for years.  It turns out his dad died, when he was 12, then one of his brothers died shortly after that.  He was raised Roman Catholic until his mother re-married a younger man who was a Free-Will Baptist preacher.  This man was involved with the children's ministry for several years in his Baptist church.

When he was a young adult, he got his cosmetology license and began working for his older brother in a salon that his brother owned with a woman.  His brother was a womanizer.  This man began to go to gay clubs and partied with many homosexuals.  He met his partner in one of those clubs.  They lived together for years, and opened up a salon together.  I continued to go to the salon.  Then, he caught his partner with several other men.  That was the end of his relationship with him.  His former partner moved to FL and last I heard, he had AIDS.  I don't know if he passed on or not.  

Before I got saved (gaining head knowledge) I began to witness to him, and pray for him.  Although, I know my prayers were not heard b/c I wasn't saved, as my heart was not in alignment with my head.  Anyway, he told me that it was his lifestyle that made him a homosexual, not genetics.  He told me that God did not make him this way, it was learned.  He even voted for George W. Bush 2 times.  Anyhoo, he left the cosmetology business and began working for the airlines.  I haven't seen or heard from him since.

I do know from my college studies that homosexuality is caused by an overbearing mother and a distant father.  Not that all men, who grow up this way, will become homosexuals.  Of course not.  However, this is the primary root of the prOBlem along with life choices.

 

     

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I was on another "Christian" forum and the topic was homosexuality. I mentioned that in the Bible it said how in the last days good would become evil and evil will become good. And that Christians will be persecuted for standing up for what is good and Godly. I gave some scripture verses and of course a poster said my interpretation of those verses were all twisted. They also said that God would reward the homosexuals in Heaven for all the persecution they endured on earth. It's simply amazing the stuff people come up with to justify sin.

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