Should O.b. Be Ifb Only?

[Arbo 315]

I know that it presently is not but wonder how many think it should be.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Arbo

[Steve Schwenke 941]

Yes it should be.  If this is a "website for Independent Baptists" then it should be what it advertises.  Unfortunately, since Independent Baptists are just that - independent - there will be some differences in our doctrine.

 

I don't mind reasonable discussions with those who might have different beliefs on some doctrines.  The prOBlem I have is that there are a couple of people who use this forum for one reason - to sow discord by constantly injecting their false doctrine on others, even if it means thrusting their false doctrine into the middle of a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with their garbage.  A couple of others just wait for anything dispensational to pop up so they can argue their anti-dispensational view.  I would not mind that if they were reasonable, but they are not - they eventually resort to "guilt by association" tactics and go down the road of name calling.

 

Some of the false doctrine that is promoted here is so outrageous, and the people who promote it are so outrageously out of line in their posting and attitudes, that it is my view that those select individuals should be banned so that the rest of the group can enjoy the conversation and fellowship.

 

my 2 cents.

[brosmith 75]

My answer comes from the title of this site:

 

Online Baptist

An Independent Baptist Community Since 2002!

 

It is stated to be "an independent Baptist community" so my question would be, why has it not remained an independent Baptist community?

 

I just checked my profile. I have been a member of Online Baptist since March 2004 (10 years). In those 10 years I have only posted 444 times. Don't ask me why. I don't know.

Edited April 14, 2014 by brosmith

[Salyan 1,926]

Those with clearly unBiblical beliefs that come here with an agenda are usually easy to spot and weed out. A lot more contention is created by IFB folk. Making the forum IFB only wouldn't fix that. I like the interaction with the occasional visiting Catholic or Mormon - we have a huge opportunity to plant seeds of truth in those folk. 

 

Also, not that we are a church (we're not!), but churches welcome those differing beliefs to come if they are willing to quietly learn and not make trouble (remembering that honest questioning and discussion is not making trouble). Seems a good formula to me.

[Arbo 315]

Steve S., Brosmith-  Is the provision of an IFB-only segregated area inadequate?

[Steve Schwenke 941]

OBviously inadequate

[Alimantado 536]

A 'community' doesn't have to be an exclusive community, so there's no contradiction between what the title says and what this site is (a community that is predominantly IFB).

 

But as if providing such a forum wasn't benevolent enough, Matt even has the IFB-only space for those who don't wish to interact with anyone who isn't IFB. And how can that space be inadequate? If you only want to talk to IFB people, just visit the IFB-only section of the forum and don't visit the other bits. Simples!

[Arbo 315]

OBviously inadequate

 

Why?

[Steve Schwenke 941]

I would like to think that preterism has not gained any foothold in IFB circles, and to my knowledge, it does not.  Yet it runs rampant here.

[ASongOfDegrees 673]

I would like to think that preterism has not gained any foothold in IFB circles, and to my knowledge, it does not.  Yet it runs rampant here

It has along with Calvinism. I just read on WND that it has gained foothold among those who call themselves Evangelicas too.

 

Personally, I don't care for the title of IFB anymore but prefer Bible Believer. 

[Standing Firm In Christ 1,701]

Preterism is clearly unbiblical

[Ukulelemike 3,802]

 

My answer comes from the title of this site:

 

Online Baptist

An Independent Baptist Community Since 2002!

 

It is stated to be "an independent Baptist community" so my question would be, why has it not remained an independent Baptist community?

 

I just checked my profile. I have been a member of Online Baptist since March 2004 (10 years). In those 10 years I have only posted 444 times. Don't ask me why. I don't know.

 

445.

[HappyChristian 3,666]

Yes, preterism is clearly unbiblical.  But let's use scripture rather than denigration to show it so.

[Steve Schwenke 941]

The preterists have been regurgitating their garbage for years on this site....that is what is disturbing to me.  Enough is enough.

[ASongOfDegrees 673]

The preterists have been regurgitating their garbage for years on this site....that is what is disturbing to me.  Enough is enough.

A lot of good contributors to this site have left because of it too. 

[2bLikeJesus 998]

I believe as Salyan said, that those with clearly unbiblical views and from other apostate denominations are easy to spot quickly.  Within 2 posts we knew "Banner" was SDA for instance and he didn't last long.  What I OBject to the most is topics getting hijacked to much and straying FAR from the OP.  Some have their favorite "hOBby horse" and seek for any possible tie-in, no matter how flimsy it may be, to jump into a conversation and continue beating their dead horse.  I would list some of those topics but then it would give these people the tie in they need to pull out their dead horse. 

 

Bro. Garry

[Standing Firm In Christ 1,701]

Taking out

Edited April 14, 2014 by Standing Firm In Christ

[Steve Schwenke 941]

Yeah, but when the SAME PERSON continues to perpetuate the SAME TIRED ARGUMENTS at every opportunity, it turns into a "dead horse." 

And these SAME PERSONS absolute refuse to accept anyone else's counter-arguments, regardless of who says it, and how it is said.  That is why it is a "dead horse."  They insist on injecting their venom, refuse to hear anyone else's position, immediately blast any contrary position as "unscriptural," and then pretend that nOBody has "proven them wrong." 

 

GARBAGE.

[Arbo 315]

I realize now that my question needs to be clarified a bit.  My question was more about other Christian and Baptist groups:  Southern Baptists and other branches, Presbyterians, nondenominationals, and the like.  Not cults.

 

I admit that, not being an IFB, some of the responses are causing a bitter taste of being unwelcome.  The order of priority in my mind should be Christian, Baptist, then particular branch.  Not the other way around 

[DaveW 4,115]

There are those who have found their way into the IFB section, who quite clearly have 'redefined' what IFB means to them so they can tell BroMatt that they qualify.

I have no prOBlem with others in the general site, but there used to be a safe haven here where the discussions appeared to be almost without exception civil. Not always in agreement, but without the discord sown by some.

Now, as displayed clearly to me recently, there is no safe haven here, and you can be chased freely through the whole site by those intent on attacking you.

This is not BroMatt fault - he accepts people on their word. He can't help it if people lie to him.

[John81 7,400]

Who besides Covenanter is preterist (and he's partial preterist; which I don't recall what that distinction means right now).

 

Bro Matt has already set forth his standards for this site with regards to who is allowed to participate and remain, and to how one is considered IFB or not.

 

As has been pointed out, IFBs hold to a variety of viewpoints and beliefs. That's the nature of something "independent". Some of those differences are minor, some are key doctrinal differences.

 

Since Bro Matt has already established the standards here, and some OBviously disagree with them, that in itself should serve to point out that no matter what standards are set forth, some will like them, some won't, and so long as humans are involved here there will be good and bad going on.

 

As Salyan pointed out, much of the contention comes from among the IFBs here. One look at various IFB churches, "camps", schools and such around the land and it's easy to see why.

 

The differences here give us the opportunity to put into practice what our Lord called us to live. Things such as patience, being kind one to another, doing and saying all things in real love, praying for wisdom, helping others with the hope of them growing in the Lord, considering what is put forth and searching the Scriptures.

[Steve Schwenke 941]

Arbo,

Yes, we are Christians first and foremost, but we tend to fellowship with like minded Christians.  This sight is unashamedly Baptist as an invitation to primarily other Baptists who are like-minded to join and fellowship.  It is not that others are not welcome, but rather that others are welcome to attend a Baptist website.  Hopefully that makes sense.

[EKSmith 471]

There are certain truths that are fundamental to Christianity that cannot be compromised ,these are the divine creation, the verbal inspiration and inerrancy of scripture, the virgin birth of Christ, His deity, substitutionary atonement , bodily resurrection, and physical return, and the existence of a literal heaven and hell. if one were to read the doctrine statement posted by OB they would find that OB is fully in agreement with these fundamentals.

which would make it a fundamental web site.

Christians might disagree in some other areas but to deny these essentials is to abandon the christian faith and sow discord among faithful Christians.

 

I'm in agreement with brother Steve, brother John, sister Salyan and others here.

 

God bless 

[Arbo 315]

There are certain truths that are fundamental to Christianity that cannot be compromised ,these are the divine creation, the verbal inspiration and inerrancy of scripture, the virgin birth of Christ, His deity, substitutionary atonement , bodily resurrection, and physical return, and the existence of a literal heaven and hell. if one were to read the doctrine statement posted by OB they would find that OB is fully in agreement with these fundamentals.

which would make it a fundamental web site.

Christians might disagree in some other areas but to deny these essentials is to abandon the christian faith and sow discord among faithful Christians.

 

I'm in agreement with brother Steve, brother John, sister Salyan and others here.

 

God bless 

 

Agree.  I have the impression that some think that KJO should be added as well, and to think otherwise is akin to heresy.