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That's why the Virgin birth is sooooo important. Jesus is not a "son of man". His Father is God. That's why His shed blood was sufficient for the payment of sin. We have the only God that came to where we are and searched  for us. (Luke 19:10)  Notice the capitol "S" in Son.

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Numbers

Chapter 23

19: God is not a man, that he should lie;
neither the son of man, that he should repent:
hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,
and shall he not make it good?

1 Timothy 

 

Chapter 3

 

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.

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That's why the Virgin birth is sooooo important. Jesus is not a "son of man". His Father is God. That's why His shed blood was sufficient for the payment of sin. We have the only God that came to where we are and searched  for us. (Luke 19:10)  Notice the capitol "S" in Son.

He was still a man though. "The MAN Christ Jesus".

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He was still a man though. "The MAN Christ Jesus".

I believe that whole heartedly. My point was that Jesus did not have a natural earthly father. He's not the (son of a man) but rather God was His Father. Having the pure and holy blood, able to be sacrificed once and for all. Hebrews 10:9-19

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1 Timothy 

 

Chapter 3

 

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was MADE KNOWN by Jesus the Son of God in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.

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And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was MADE KNOWN by Jesus the Son of God in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.

Nice, except you notice how you have to change scripture to make your point.

 

But lets look at the whole, shall we?

 

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifest in the flesh,  (God was  manifest, {"Plain, open, clearly visible to the eye or OBvious to the understanding; apparent; not OBscure or difficult to be seen or understood." per Webster's 1828} in the flesh. He was made plain to the eyes IN the flesh.)

justified in the Spirit, (Justified: declared righteous) seen of angels,  (While in the flesh. Would be silliy to make this statement otherwise, as OBviously God was seen of angels from the beginning)

preached unto the Gentiles, (Jesus preached to the Gentiles as God, according to prophecy)

believed on in the world, (Unto salvation, which is in Jesus Christ Alone)

received up into glory. (If not Jesus, how was He receeived into glory, because He was already in glory?)

 

The plain, clear meaning of this is it is speak of Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh.

 

 

 

 

John 1: 1, 14- "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."  Jesus, the Word of God, God Himself, was made flesh and dwelt among us. We beheld His glory, as of the only begotten of the Father. To be begotten indicates to be uniquely the same in substance. He IS God.

 

 

We'll start there.

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Post any scripture, why you believe, Jesus the man, is God.
And why you believe, that scripture means to you that
Jesus the man is God.

John 1:1

John 1:14

 

The Word was God and He was made flesh to dwell among us. Jesus Christ

 

Genesis 1:1

John 1:3

 

Too easy

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Numbers

Chapter 23

19: God is not a man, that he should lie;
neither the son of man, that he should repent:
hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,
and shall he not make it good?

To use this verse to try to refute the civinity of Jesus Christ is flawed. This has nothing to do with the subject you attach to it-this is referring to the qualitative differences between God and His creation-man lies, God does not. Man changes His mind, God does not. If God appears to change His mind, it is we that are mistaken-He already knows His will and what He will do-but He uses those things to change US, not Himself. as in Nineveh-God didn't change His mind, because He already knew how it would turn out, because He is outside of time.

 

So this is not meant to prove God was not manifest as the Man Jesus Christ, but that God is not as fallen man in his weaknesses and sins. Even Jesus, God manifest in the flesh, still maintained those attributes of God. He did not lie, He did not repent, He said, and it came to be as He spoke it.  

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That was quick-I think we could have easily disproved him, maybe even converted him.

Maybe so, but I'm getting awful tired of all the garbage that is going on here. Try checking out the thread where he posted that Jesus is not God.  Sorry, but I'm not putting up with the trolls anymore. There's enough trash-talk going on with the regular members without putting up with troll nonsense. Read that other thread and you'll see it's the same one who's been banned and banned and banned.  

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That was quick-I think we could have easily disproved him, maybe even converted him.

I witnessed to him in personal messages on this site. Was going well until he changed the subject. Pray that that little bit convicts enough to bring salvation to him.

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Post any scripture, why you believe, Jesus the man, is God.
And why you believe, that scripture means to you that
Jesus the man is God.

There have already been many good Scriptures posted.  So just a few more.

6)  For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.     Isaiah 9:6   So that we know that Mighty God is the same as Almighty God  we see Jehovah called Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21, so yes Jesus is called God in this passage of Isaiah along with Isaiah 40:3; 44:6; 48:16-17.

And John calls Jesus God in John 8:58; I John 5:7 I know many try to question I John 5:7 but we must remember that Cyprian quotes it in 250 AD long before the supposed oldest and best manuscripts were written.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ.  This is the true God, and eternal life.   I John 5:20

 

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In the OT Job cry the following:  32)  For He is not a man, as i am, that I should answer Him, and we should come together in judgment.  33)  Neither is there any Daysman betwixt us, that might lay His hand upon us both.  Job 9:32-33    When Job make this statement He crying for someone that is a Daysman who could both be God and Man, so as to understand both parties, and mediate between both.  So in the New Testament we see Paul speaking of Jesus Christ as the Man (I Timothy 2:5) and part of the Trinity/Godhead (Galatians 3:20) who mediated between both parties.  For no mediator is  one yet the Trinity is One, and yet God the Son is both Man and God.

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At the time Numbers was written, (some fourteen hundred plus years prior to Christ being born in the manger) God was not a man.  However, there are many verses that identify Jesus as being God in the flesh.  So, at one point, God became man.  And even today, we have a Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.  Jesus, who is identified as God in the Bible, is still aidentified as a man.

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