Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 CAN ANY REAL CONSERVATIVE WIN IN AMERICA? By J.B. Williams March 22, 2014 NewsWithViews.com The recent CPAC conference and poll is beyond disturbing. It’s downright frightening… CPAC is allegedly a political action committee of, by and for “conservative” political operatives. But you won’t be able to prove that by the results of the most recent meeting, which resulted in 2016 Presidential support for Libertarian Rand Paul and constitutionally ineligible Ted Cruz, a Cuban from Canada. Clearly, current members of CPAC, like current members of the Republican National Committee (RNC), have totally lost sight of what it is to be a “conservative.” When even the conservative PACs are promoting non-conservatives and ineligible candidates, how can anyone take a serious stab at electing a real American conservative today? Would anyone in America vote for a REAL conservative today? I’m afraid we are witnessing the final gasp of the once Grand Ole Party in America. Although a vast majority of Americans identify themselves as “conservatives,” a shrinking number of those people identify with America’s alleged conservative party, the Republican Party. According to a recent Pew Research survey, “staunch conservatives” believe the following… • Extremely critical of the federal government• Favor peace through strength and active foreign engagement• Pro-business; against stricter environmental laws and regulations• Strongly opposed to abortion and same-sex marriage• Convinced the 2010 health care law will be bad for the country• View [illegal] immigrants as a threat to traditional American customs and values According to survey results, only 9% of respondents were “staunch conservatives” on this basis. • 84% of them are registered Republicans• 72% tend to agree with Tea Party rhetoric• 61% are over age 50• 56% are financially stable, married, males• 57% own guns and attend church• 54% watch FOX News regularly How do you elect a staunch conservative with these numbers? An even more critical question is how do you save a Constitutional Republic without electing staunch conservatives, at a time in history when morally and ethically sound Constitutional Republicans are in short supply, and demonized by the other 91% of the politically active? Where is the political support trending among other ideological voters? • 55% believe government is an efficient solution, not the problem• 31% believe in peace through weakness and global appeasement• 39% believe government should control private earnings and return on investment• 39% believe we need stricter environmental protection laws• 51% believe the government can’t afford more social spending• 27% believe ObamaCare is good for the country• 71% claim religion an important part of their lives• 38% believe the USA is no longer the best country in the world• 39% believe immigrants threaten America today At a time when America is more politically divided than ever, and an increasing number of citizens are dependent upon some form of government subsidy, can our Constitutional Republic be saved via an election process that is less reliable than the purple fingers of Iraq? Political divisions are not at all unusual in America. They have existed since the beginning when Federalists and Anti-Federalists went at it over the creation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Much more dangerous are the clear divisions inside the GOP, Americas “conservative” party. The recent CPAC event shines a bright light on those divisions, wherein a “conservative” PAC can’t even identify or advance a true conservative from within. The GOP has been trying to overcome the RINO faction running the RNC for years now, without much success. That divide in the party left the door open for the libertarian movement to enter the battle for GOP power. What do libertarians and conservatives have in common? • Both are extremely critical of the federal government today, but for different reasons• Both are economically conservative, in principles only• Both are pro-business, although libertarians are highly anti-corporation• Both want limited government and lower taxes However, they disagree on the following… • They disagree on social issues, abortion, same-sex marriage, marijuana, etc.• They disagree on freedom of vs. freedom from religious expression• They disagree on foreign policy• They disagree on strong vs. weak national security• They disagree on Constitutional text• They disagree on immigration, including illegal immigration and amnesty• They disagree on upholding the entire Constitution vs. certain pieces only• They disagree on monetary policy• They disagree on America’s role in the world• Among other items… The point being that there is actually very little that modern libertarians and conservatives agree on. As a result, the two are in a battle to seize control of the GOP, away from the RINO RNC “go along to get along” faction of the party. The end result is a totally divided opposition to the Democratic Socialists currently driving the nation off a cliff, soon to result in a national collapse, at best. Assuming that we could identify and recruit a REAL conservative with success on their résumé to run in 2016, is there any chance they could win in these conditions? I honestly don’t see how… We have learned in the past that libertarians will only vote for their own kind… That many evangelicals would not vote for a Mormon… That RINOs will advance the most RINO candidate via the primary process designed to lock both true conservatives and libertarians out of the race… In this condition, the “opposition party” is no real opposition at all. The Democratic Socialists could win the 2016 presidential election with no more than 40% of the popular vote, as the other 60% of voters are completely divided and impotent to overcome the enemy. For a change, I will end here by asking for solutions rather than offering any… Write me at: jb.uspu@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Arbo Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 CAN ANY REAL CONSERVATIVE WIN IN AMERICA? Depends on what one considers conservative. As I define it, I would say no. The American voter has become too fickle, lazy, and stupid. He only wants his bread and circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ASongOfDegrees Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 No. America is a left-center nation now and just think of the generation coming up that's been raised on rap music, reality TV, porn, "selfies" and Facebook. Add to that all the illegals that have been allowed into the country and the colleges that are producing little liberals faster than a a rabbit during spring. The ONLY way you might see a conservative get into the Presidency is if the economy completely collapses under a liberal President or we get involved in a protracted war that threatens America's existence. Even then I doubt it because the media will still run interference for the liberal President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Does anybody know anything about this guy, Senator Jeff Sessions? I don't know anything about him other than I like his stand on immigration. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/choosing-american-workers-over-amnesty/ God bless, Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ASongOfDegrees Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Does anybody know anything about this guy Senator Jeff Sessions? I don't know anything about him other than I like his stand on immigration. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/choosing-american-workers-over-amnesty/ God bless, Larry I liked Ryan and Boehner's stand too but we see how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 One of the problems with "conservatives" today is most really aren't conservatives at heart and they are no where near being a full conservative. They stake out a couple of conservative type positions but in most other areas they are far from being conservative. Most often, even with regards to the couple of conservative positions they speak up about, they don't stand their ground. Look over the last several decades and there is a long list of Republicans and so-called conservatives in congress, the White House and even the Supreme Court who have talked the talk on some things but then failed to walk the walk. When pressed by the Dems and other liberals or they face bad press, they compromise, cave in or just give up. Meanwhile, the liberals don't care about Republican pressure, they don't care if their popularity takes a hit, they don't care if defeat is pressing in on them, they don't even care if their agenda suffers an outright defeat; they continue to fight for their agenda because they are dedicated liberals at heart. The liberals began pushing the idea of national healthcare decades ago. They thought they could win the day with Bill Clinton in the White House and Hillary pushing the plan in congress. They took a great deal of heat, much political pressure and eventually a clear defeat in congress. That didn't stop them. They kept pressing the issue, kept it simmering and worked other angles until finally they succeeded with Obamacare...and they aren't done yet! How many times have key Republicans said it would be the death of America to keep raising the debt limit and they won't do it anymore, only to cave in and raise the debt limit? They do the same on dozens, even scores of other issues. As Song so well pointed out, America has swung greatly to the left. Today many who are called conservatives hold positions that once would have had them branded liberals! The Democrats and liberals in general have moved so much further to the left that past leftists now almost seem like conservatives by comparison! After so many decades of drastic and rapid decline in America regardless of whether there was a Republican in the White House or which Party controlled congress, why is there any reason to think this is going to change now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 No. America is a left-center nation now and just think of the generation coming up that's been raised on rap music, reality TV, porn, "selfies" and Facebook. You nailed it! Is it just me, or does that term (and what's associated with it) really grate on your every last nerve? I don't know which I despise more...the word "selfie" or the word "tat". I dread the day...20 years from now...when the newly elected President takes a selfie of his/her tat (which will say something like - I da Prez) while sitting in the Oval Office and posts it on all the social networks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 What makes you think it will take 20 years before that happens!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 What makes you think it will take 20 years before that happens!? I do believe you have a point Bro. John... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Herman Cain was a fairly strong conservative with a good chance of winning, and his run was completely sabotaged. He had death threats, family threats, and public lies told to where he had to pull out. i imagine similar things will happen to any other good potential candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Each of the more conservative candidates, all professing Christians, came under the quickest and most concerted attacks. As soon as one of them seemed to possibly be gaining some traction they were hit hard. Each time this occurred many who were supporting them ran like rats from a burning building rather than taking a stand for them. Bachmann, Cain, Perry, on and on it went. The attack upon Cain was unusual, strange, odd. It started out as the same old, same old, type of attack but as it went on it took some strange turns. I can't help but think there was something more going on behind the scenes, especially with the way Cain suddenly withdrew from the race as he did. There is way too much control and deal making behind the scenes in these things that impact all this too. In the previous race, while Romney still had a viable shot at winning the nomination and even seemed to be gaining some momentum, he suddenly dropped from the race which allowed McCain to get the nomination. Then in the last race it was evident there was a pulling for Romney going on even as there was clear efforts to eliminate the more conservative candidates as early as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Each of the more conservative candidates, all professing Christians, came under the quickest and most concerted attacks. As soon as one of them seemed to possibly be gaining some traction they were hit hard. Each time this occurred many who were supporting them ran like rats from a burning building rather than taking a stand for them. Bachmann, Cain, Perry, on and on it went. The attack upon Cain was unusual, strange, odd. It started out as the same old, same old, type of attack but as it went on it took some strange turns. I can't help but think there was something more going on behind the scenes, especially with the way Cain suddenly withdrew from the race as he did. There is way too much control and deal making behind the scenes in these things that impact all this too. In the previous race, while Romney still had a viable shot at winning the nomination and even seemed to be gaining some momentum, he suddenly dropped from the race which allowed McCain to get the nomination. Then in the last race it was evident there was a pulling for Romney going on even as there was clear efforts to eliminate the more conservative candidates as early as possible. Equally strange was was that the lawsuits quietly went away..... I had heard rumors his family and grandchildren were receiving threats. It is my opinion his decision to withdraw was to put his family first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yes, it was amazing how quickly there was absolutely no news coverage at all of lawsuits and allegations. Even the big mouth publicity hound of a lawyer Gloria Allred had nothing more to get in front of the cameras about. Cain mentioned consideration for his family when he dropped from the race. I've wondered if perhaps there weren't threats to target his family with media attacks and false allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted March 22, 2014 Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 There were allegations of adultery...like you, I never heard anymore about it after he dropped out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2014 That's what makes it so odd. If the allegations were true, and they had enough proof to get him out of the race, they would have pressed for big bucks while hoping to drag him down financially and perhaps even his family. This would have been especially true after Allred took one of the cases. Such is her specialty. However, after he dropped out. Nothing. Silence. One of those things in life that makes one go, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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