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I agree that we have to believe those things about Jesus. But which Jesus are we to believe has those attributes?

We are warned of false christ's in the world. We are warned of another Jesus than the one the Apostles preached.

I believe lying christ's deceive many to believe others into believing they are the Son of God. Look at Matthew 7. Many will stand before the real Jesus saying they they did things in His name... Yet He does not know them.

Why not? They were serving another christ and not the true christ.

Do the Catholics serve christ who had brothers and sisters? No! They serve a son of a perpetual virgin. Yet, they say this son is the one who died and rose from the dead.

When someone says Jesus made alcohol, they are presenting a false Christ. If they were following the right Jesus, they would not present a false Jesus.

When someone says Jesus drank alcohol, they are presenting a false Christ. If they were following the right Jesus, they would not present a false Jesus.


The Jesus whom we serve is important. We need to make sure that Jesus fits perfectly the description of the Jesus of the Bible.

If not, we obviously serve another Jesus.





You are talking about two Jesus? I believe in three Jesus. Jesus the father, Jesus the Son and Jesus the Holy Spirit. So you fall short one. :)

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Jesus said in John 3 that he that believeth on the Son hath eternal life. He that hath the Son hath eternal life.

There are many christs in the world many false Jesus's are being presented in churches all around the world.

The True Son is found in the Word of God.

Jesus said to Mary and Martha, I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead shall live.

We must believe in the true Christ, or or belief is in vain.

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Who here considered every point of possible difference regarding Jesus before they were born again?

 

No, what I've said doesn't put a single Catholic or Mormon in heaven. Both Catholics and Mormons believe in a works based salvation. It doesn't matter what they think regarding wine, CCM, or SUVs.

 

Salvation and learning and growing in the Lord are two different things.

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Jesus said in John 3 that he that believeth on the Son hath eternal life. He that hath the Son hath eternal life.

There are many christs in the world many false Jesus's are being presented in churches all around the world.

The True Son is found in the Word of God.

Jesus said to Mary and Martha, I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead shall live.

We must believe in the true Christ, or or belief is in vain.





You have mentioned that you don't see very well in the past. How is it that you spell correctly and so quickly reply. Just checking, forgive me for my poor grammar.

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No, those who believe in a Jesus other than the Jesus portrayed in the Bible are unsaved.

 

Right, but the way you define belief in 'the Jesus portrayed in the Bible' seemingly includes everything the Bible speaks on. You even gave an example yourself:

 

 

The Jesus who created the world in six days is (not) the same Jesus who spent millions of years to create the world.

 

So here you are saying that anyone who is wrong or ignorant about how many days the world was created in is unsaved and cannot be saved until they first gain a correct knowledge of it.

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I surprise my wife at times with my typing skills. Many years of practice has taught me how to type on the keyboard behind my back. One does not need to have good vision to learn how to spell or type.

For example, close your eyes and spell horse. Now, that wasn't hard, was it? LOL

(I wonder how many are trying the keyboard thing now? ROFL)

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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The trick to the keyboard thing is to lean the keyboard against the back of the chair instead of laying it flat on the seat. Place your hands behind your back as if you are reaching in your back pockets, rotate. Then, feel for the raised notches on the j and f keys . Then type. LOL

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The trick to the keyboard thing is to lean the keyboard against the back of the chair instead of laying it flat on the seat. Place your hands behind your back as if you are reaching in your back pockets, rotate. Then, feel for the raised notches on the j and f keys . Then type. LOL

 

Perhaps if you're drinking...

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It does sound like SFIC is saying that if someone does not interpret any part of the scripture that has to do with Jesus and wine exactly as he does cannot be saved.  

It also sounds to me that SFIC is saying that if you believe Jesus drank or made alcoholic wine you believe in a false Christ.  And since the word "antichrist" is made up of two roots: αντί (anti) + Χριστός (Khristos). "Αντί" can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of", "Χριστός", translated "Christ".  So I guess if according to SFIC if you agree with him on the Jesus and alcohol issue you believe in Jesus, whereas if you disagree with him on the subject of Jesus and alcohol you just could be worshiping an antichrist. 

 

I do not agree with SFIC on this issue therefor I must be damned.  If I am wrong, (it wouldn't be the first time) I am willing to be corrected.

 

God bless,

Larry

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It does sound like SFIC is saying that if someone does not interpret any part of the scripture that has to do with Jesus and wine exactly as he does cannot be saved.
It also sounds to me that SFIC is saying that if you believe Jesus drank or made alcoholic wine you believe in a false Christ. And since the word "antichrist" is made up of two roots: αντί (anti) + Χριστός (Khristos). "Αντί" can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of", "Χριστός", translated "Christ". So I guess if according to SFIC if you agree with him on the Jesus and alcohol issue you believe in Jesus, whereas if you disagree with him on the subject of Jesus and alcohol you just could be worshiping an antichrist.

I do not agree with SFIC on this issue therefor I must be damned. If I am wrong, (it wouldn't be the first time) I am willing to be corrected.

God bless,
Larry





I am sorry, you can only get Saved Ones.

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Right, but the way you define belief in 'the Jesus portrayed in the Bible' seemingly includes everything the Bible speaks on. You even gave an example yourself:

 

 

So here you are saying that anyone who is wrong or ignorant about how many days the world was created in is unsaved and cannot be saved until they first gain a correct knowledge of it.

Let's put it this way. 

If you were witnessing to me and told me that Jesus Christ was born, died on a cross and rose again the third day, and I believed it, your contention would be that I would be saved. 

But what if, down the road, you told me that the Jesus you have always believed in shot up heroin? or snorted cocaine on occasion?  Would I be saved?  Of course not.  But you presented to me the same Jesus back then, but left out some details as to who that Jesus was.  The Jesus you led me to was the drug addicted Jesus, not the Jesus of the Bible... even though you said that Jesus died, was buried and rose again.

When we preach Christ, we had better be preaching the right Christ.  If we are preaching the christ of our understanding, and that christ was a christ contrary to the Christ of Scripture, we have preached the wrong christ.  No matter how much we want to think it was the right one.

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It does sound like SFIC is saying that if someone does not interpret any part of the scripture that has to do with Jesus and wine exactly as he does cannot be saved.  

It also sounds to me that SFIC is saying that if you believe Jesus drank or made alcoholic wine you believe in a false Christ.  And since the word "antichrist" is made up of two roots: αντί (anti) + Χριστός (Khristos). "Αντί" can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of", "Χριστός", translated "Christ".  So I guess if according to SFIC if you agree with him on the Jesus and alcohol issue you believe in Jesus, whereas if you disagree with him on the subject of Jesus and alcohol you just could be worshiping an antichrist. 

 

I do not agree with SFIC on this issue therefor I must be damned.  If I am wrong, (it wouldn't be the first time) I am willing to be corrected.

 

God bless,

Larry

Larry, if you believe Jesus drank alcohol, or made alcohol for people who had already well drunk, I can point you to many pastors like myself who can point you to the true Jesus.

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If I were unsaved, and someone who believed in a Jesus who drank alcohol were to come up to me, telling me that Jesus died for my sins, was buried and rose again the third day, even though they did not tell me their belief that Jesus drank alcohol, that would be the Jesus they presented to me... one that drank alcohol. 

That Jesus is not the true Jesus.  That Jesus did not die and rise again.  They are presenting a false Jesus. 

If a Catholic came to me and told me Jesus died and rose again the third day, they too would be presenting a false Jesus.  The Jesus they present has a mother who answers prayers and is still a virgin.  Wrong Jesus.

 

The one presenting Jesus better be presenting the right Jesus, else he is pointing to the wrong Jesus.

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Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

 

Habakkuk 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

 

 

If anyone believes that the Bible is the Word of God, then surely you believe that God, "the Word", the Lord Jesus, was the author of the words above, then why would you even intertain the thought that he would do the same sins Himself? Even a lot of lost people know better than that. That would make him a HIPPOCRITE which He is not. He made that water, at the wedding, into grape juice. Alcohol is a mind altering drug and it gets that way via corruption aka fermentation.. And since Jesus himself drank "wine" why don't we make one of those holywood movies showing him inebriated at the wedding? Might as well huh?

This is ridiculous, I don't even believe we are having this discussion. It DOES get into changing the character or the "image" if God into an image like unto CORRUPTIBLE man. I'm sorry, I will have to agree with bro SIFL on this point, that;s not the Jesus I met when I got saved: mine is HOLY.

Edited by heartstrings

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Let's put it this way. 

If you were witnessing to me and told me that Jesus Christ was born, died on a cross and rose again the third day, and I believed it, your contention would be that I would be saved. 

But what if, down the road, you told me that the Jesus you have always believed in shot up heroin? or snorted cocaine on occasion?  Would I be saved?  Of course not.  But you presented to me the same Jesus back then, but left out some details as to who that Jesus was.  The Jesus you led me to was the drug addicted Jesus, not the Jesus of the Bible... even though you said that Jesus died, was buried and rose again.

When we preach Christ, we had better be preaching the right Christ.  If we are preaching the christ of our understanding, and that christ was a christ contrary to the Christ of Scripture, we have preached the wrong christ.  No matter how much we want to think it was the right one.

 

I've not made any contentions, I'm just trying to understand and crystallise what you are saying. And what you are saying, in effect, is that one needs to have read all of the Bible and understood it correctly before one can be saved.

 

By the way, what you've just said above means that if, say, you meet someone who helped lead you to Christ 30 years ago and during this meeting the person says something about Jesus or scripture that is wrong, it makes you unsaved, no matter what your own beliefs are.

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Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

False Prophets will not point one to the true Christ.  They serve not Christ, but another master.  They will point to a sinful christ, or a christ that condones sin.  They will use good words and fair speeches to deceive the hearts of the simple.

Look at the man over the last decade that claimed to be Jesus.  Many of his followers testified to others that they had found the Christ.  They told others that this man rose from the dead and has returned to his people. 

Sadly, many believed that nonsense.  They believed that this Luis character was who their friends said he was.  Why?  Because they did not know the Christ of the Bible... even though their friends used Bible Scripture saying the man was the Son of God, lived, died and rose again. 

If that was the only words they ever heard from their friends, and they believed those words, they would be just as lost as if they had never heard those words in the first place.  Their friend was testifying of a false christ.

No, it is important in which Christ you believe.  If that Christ is not the Christ of the Bible, then my friend, you are a hell bound sinner still whether you were told he was born, died and raised from the dead or not.

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