Members Miss Daisy Posted May 29, 2014 Members Share Posted May 29, 2014 "modest apparel" right there! Thanks for posting the answer to your denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prophet1 Posted May 31, 2014 Members Share Posted May 31, 2014 "modest apparel" right there! Thanks for posting the answer to your denial. So what is described as "modest apparel" in this passage? Clothing? Or good works? Anishinaabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted May 31, 2014 Administrators Share Posted May 31, 2014 Clothing. Good works done by someone modestly dressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prophet1 Posted June 3, 2014 Members Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not this, but this.... Adorned ....with good works. Anishinaabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted June 3, 2014 Administrators Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ah, yes, but there is no comma after adorn to indicate that it is simply talking about good works - the statement of adorning is inclusive of modest apparel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prophet1 Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 Ah, yes, but there is no comma after adorn to indicate that it is simply talking about good works - the statement of adorning is inclusive of modest apparel. 1Ti 2:8-10 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sOBriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. "In like manner" tells us that the subject is not clothing.... The only admonition we have about men's and women's clothing, is in the Law, and it is to :not cross-dress. "Modest" means "not costly", anyway, which is repeated in the next phrase. Anishinaabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 Apparel is clothing........ The other things in the list relate to physical appearance. Modest, not flashy. More to do with pride vs humility, as displayed by outwards appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeffrey Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 So, is a woman more Godly if she respects her husband, takes care of her children, active for Christ in her community but wears jeans, earrings and jewelry, and highlights in her hair?, rather than a woman who argues constantly with her husband, disrespects him and the local assembly of believers and wears long dresses, no make up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 Scripture doesn't call women or men to OBey only part of the Word or to only surrender themselves to the Lord in certain areas, but to fully surrender self and live as Scripture indicates. Â As we read in 1 Corinthians 13, if we do all sorts of otherwise good things but we don't do them in love, they are as nothing. Elsewhere we are told that if we love the Lord, we will keep His commandments. Â We are not to pick and choose, rather we are to seek to follow the Lord fully. We are to do ALL things as unto the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeffrey Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 Scripture doesn't call women or men to OBey only part of the Word or to only surrender themselves to the Lord in certain areas, but to fully surrender self and live as Scripture indicates. Â As we read in 1 Corinthians 13, if we do all sorts of otherwise good things but we don't do them in love, they are as nothing. Elsewhere we are told that if we love the Lord, we will keep His commandments. Â We are not to pick and choose, rather we are to seek to follow the Lord fully. We are to do ALL things as unto the Lord. so which of the two women I described is more Godly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 You gave an incomparable scenario lacking in information. Â In the first, we don't the woman's motivation for what she does (love, duty, pride, etc.). We also don't know what sort of jeans she is wearing or why and how. We don't know the nature of the earrings, jewelry, hair highlights or the motivation behind these. Â In the second, the action descriptions clearly indicate a woman not conducting herself in accord with Scripture. As to her dress and make-up, we don't know her motivation for these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeffrey Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 You gave an incomparable scenario lacking in information.  In the first, we don't the woman's motivation for what she does (love, duty, pride, etc.). We also don't know what sort of jeans she is wearing or why and how. We don't know the nature of the earrings, jewelry, hair highlights or the motivation behind these. Her husband likes her in those clothes and likes her to get "dolled up", you know, skinny mom-jeans   In the second, the action descriptions clearly indicate a woman not conducting herself in accord with Scripture. As to her dress and make-up, we don't know her motivation for these. This woman thinks she is pleasing God with her dress, but hear heart is angry towards her husband and her children and her bitterness is manifested in how she acts/treats towards them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted June 4, 2014 Members Share Posted June 4, 2014 Sounds like they both need to spend more time in the Word, draw closer to the Lord, and spend time with their husbands in the Word and prayer together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members prophet1 Posted June 5, 2014 Members Share Posted June 5, 2014 Her husband likes her in those clothes and likes her to get "dolled up", you know, skinny mom-jeans This woman thinks she is pleasing God with her dress, but hear heart is angry towards her husband and her children and her bitterness is manifested in how she acts/treats towards themOne is an abomination, a cross-dresser. One is ignoring the apparel of women professing godliness...good works. Anishinaabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members candlelight Posted June 5, 2014 Members Share Posted June 5, 2014 So, is a woman more Godly if she respects her husband, takes care of her children, active for Christ in her community but wears jeans, earrings and jewelry, and highlights in her hair?, rather than a woman who argues constantly with her husband, disrespects him and the local assembly of believers and wears long dresses, no make up? Â I understand what you are saying, Jeffrey. Â Unfortunately there are women like you describe in your second sentence, in the church. Â I have seen it happen with a couple of women in my church. Â Women like this do not allow their husbands to lead the home. Â Although, I must say that no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. Â Maybe, these women appeared tough b/c their husbands lacked spiritual leadership. Â I dunno. Â While I support wearing my Sunday best to church, I have never and will never tell a woman what to wear to service. Â However, if they look like a street walker, I will gently let them know they should dress more modestly. Â I worked the bus ministry and homeless ministry for 4 years in an IFB church. Â Many of the women simply did not have dresses or skirts to wear to church. Â A few of them asked me if I could gather nice clothes for them to wear, but many did not. Â In that situation, I would be an example for them. Â Leading by example is what worked in my situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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