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I leads one to see how genetically similar we are to angels, except that angels have multi-dimensional bodies which also we shall have in the future.

Angels dont have bodies. They are spirits.
They are hidden from our sin cursed eyes, unless God lets them "appear" by opening our eyes.

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By Bible tells me the men that Abraham saw, one of them was the Lord, they didn't just look like men they felt like men and had their feet washed and they ate bread, meat and butter.  Remember that the men that appeared Abraham were not revealed to be angels until the next chapter.

 

Ge 18:1 ¶ And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
 4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
 5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
 6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
 7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
 8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

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No Mike, nothing edifying going on here.

 

Then again, that's always the case when this topic comes up, which begs the question as to why we (and Christians in general) keep returning to it.

 

Meanwhile, what are we doing with all the verses which call us to share the Gospel, make disciples, pray continually, let our light shine, to pursue holiness, to be holy, to be perfect, to control our tongues, to esteem others as better than ourselves, to put off the old man and put on the new, to stand in the armour of God, to bear one another's burdens, to be kind, to love one another, etc.?

 

Like so much of Christianity in general (which we IFBs often claim to be different from) we spend great amounts of time debating about giants, dinosaurs, gap theories, the time of Satan's fall, and such things.

 

Deuteronomy 29:29 was given to us to point out that God has chose not to tell us everything, but what He has chose to make clear to us is what we are responsible for.

 

All to often we choose to argue over what God has kept hidden from us (if God hid it, do we really think we can find it out?) while ignoring the clear commands and instructions in Scripture.

:amen: 

I may as well get into conversations with charismatics on Facebook.  What is the point in talking about all of this?   :bang:

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This one subject, I must admit, was one that had a lot to do with encouraging me to get more serious about studying the word of God. We had a pastor, IFB pastor, who seemed to think this subject was important enough to preach/teach during Wednesday night Bible study. He would bring it up again, from time to time, and when he did he would say something like "I know some of y'all won't have that but that don't change what the Word o'God says". He was right, I was one of those who wouldn't have it; Our men's Sunday School teacher would bring it up also, and his views would mirror the pastor's., No one challenged or even said a word in question and I, of course, I wouldn't say a word either to keep from being made to look foolish. Our pastor would start with Genesis 6, then take us to Job chapter 1, Job 38, and the book of Jude citing the "going after strange flesh" argument and he always used the term "cohabited with women". But to my pastor's credit, he did repeatedly admonish us to study the Bible for ourselves.

 

I think that if Genesis 6 was important enough for God to put in our Bible, it must be important enough to get right as best we can. I have studied it, in depth, but have certainly only scratched the surface. But I think that though it all happened thousands of years ago, the Genesis 6 account must have something to tell us about the here and now.. We live in a world of increasing violence just like they did and Genesis 6 says that God destroyed this world in a flood because of the "wickedness of man was great".We see the same thing is happening today. 2 Timothy 3

 

It could be that we may be about to witness what Jesus said was going on way back in Genesis 6: We have already been witnessing (and participating in) the "eating and drinking" for some time and now, But since the homosexuals are swiftly gaining sanction from our government, the polygamists will now be screaming for their "rights" as well. Divorce and remarriage has been rampant for some time and we may be seeing polygamy in our own communities very soon too.  Matthew 24:37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 

 

One view says "angels" cohabited with human women and thereby procreated giants but the Bible says "sons of God" took wives. A "wife" is a permanent life partner; not a mere "cohabitation". One of the "sons of God", a believer, was ALIVE during the whole 120 years that Noah preached. Noah preached righteousness and "walked with God" and was "perfect in his generations". But that other "son of God" is not recorded as having preached righteousness, or helped build the ark, or "walked with God" like Noah did. I believe that this man was SPARED the flood, but he didn't get to board the ark because he died the same year of the flood; his name was Methuselah.

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It surely does have much to say to us today, since, as you said, the end days will be like the days of Noah. So we should seek to learn as we can. granted, an entire 1600 years is only given a couple chapters, so there's not a huge amount there, but we CAn learn some things.

 

So, ladies, don't get raped by giant angels-When it comes to giant angels, just say no. If you do co-habitate with them, be ready for giant babies-get on those birthing exercises right away!

 

Seriously, unless giants start moving around again, I don't really believe this is the point we should be learning. Today, we have sons of God and daughters of men-those who are born again, and those who are not, and the Bible tells us clearly that we are not to cohabitate, (commit fornication), or intermarry saved and unsaved, (Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Cor 6:14-18)

  And to this we can also add keeping the faith pure in the churches with pure doctrine, avoiding false prophets and false teachers, Many so-called churches today are full of doctrines of devils and unsaved preacher, filled with ungodly, carnal music and pagan activities. This is an excellent picture of what happens when the sons of God mix with the daughters of men, particularly in a spiritual sense. We keep bringing the world into the churches and the things of Satan are being mingled with the things of God.

 

Maybe if we weren't so worried about whether these nephilim were angels or just giants or whatever, and began to look more into the spiritual ungodly mingling of that which is of God and that which is of man or Satan, we might actually have our eyes opened and start following the way we should. Honestly, is anyone really expecting 'nephilim' to return and take wives, except maybe Art Bell?

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It surely does have much to say to us today, since, as you said, the end days will be like the days of Noah. So we should seek to learn as we can. granted, an entire 1600 years is only given a couple chapters, so there's not a huge amount there, but we CAn learn some things.

 

So, ladies, don't get raped by giant angels-When it comes to giant angels, just say no. If you do co-habitate with them, be ready for giant babies-get on those birthing exercises right away!  I will remember what you said, Mike.   :nuts: 

 

Seriously, unless giants start moving around again, I don't really believe this is the point we should be learning. Today, we have sons of God and daughters of men-those who are born again, and those who are not, and the Bible tells us clearly that we are not to cohabitate, (commit fornication), or intermarry saved and unsaved, (Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Cor 6:14-18)

  And to this we can also add keeping the faith pure in the churches with pure doctrine, avoiding false prophets and false teachers, Many so-called churches today are full of doctrines of devils and unsaved preacher, filled with ungodly, carnal music and pagan activities. This is an excellent picture of what happens when the sons of God mix with the daughters of men, particularly in a spiritual sense. We keep bringing the world into the churches and the things of Satan are being mingled with the things of God.

 

Maybe if we weren't so worried about whether these nephilim were angels or just giants or whatever, and began to look more into the spiritual ungodly mingling of that which is of God and that which is of man or Satan, we might actually have our eyes opened and start following the way we should. Honestly, is anyone really expecting 'nephilim' to return and take wives, except maybe Art Bell?

 

Great post, that sums up this thread in my opinion.

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Well, don't let my picture on here fool you. I wasn't born looking like this you know. Like kind does beget like kind.

 

I became this dog like creature due to the attraction of my own vomit over the years.

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It surely does have much to say to us today, since, as you said, the end days will be like the days of Noah. So we should seek to learn as we can. granted, an entire 1600 years is only given a couple chapters, so there's not a huge amount there, but we CAn learn some things.

 

So, ladies, don't get raped by giant angels-When it comes to giant angels, just say no. If you do co-habitate with them, be ready for giant babies-get on those birthing exercises right away!

 

Seriously, unless giants start moving around again, I don't really believe this is the point we should be learning. Today, we have sons of God and daughters of men-those who are born again, and those who are not, and the Bible tells us clearly that we are not to cohabitate, (commit fornication), or intermarry saved and unsaved, (Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Cor 6:14-18)

  And to this we can also add keeping the faith pure in the churches with pure doctrine, avoiding false prophets and false teachers, Many so-called churches today are full of doctrines of devils and unsaved preacher, filled with ungodly, carnal music and pagan activities. This is an excellent picture of what happens when the sons of God mix with the daughters of men, particularly in a spiritual sense. We keep bringing the world into the churches and the things of Satan are being mingled with the things of God.

 

Maybe if we weren't so worried about whether these nephilim were angels or just giants or whatever, and began to look more into the spiritual ungodly mingling of that which is of God and that which is of man or Satan, we might actually have our eyes opened and start following the way we should. Honestly, is anyone really expecting 'nephilim' to return and take wives, except maybe Art Bell?

Yes, That was the problem; they were yoking up with the world's people, the world's provisions, and the world's practices. They "saw" that the "daughters of men" were "fair" and, instead of looking for spiritual qualities, they only "saw" the physical ones.

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Yes, That was the problem; they were yoking up with the world's people, the world's provisions, and the world's practices. They "saw" that the "daughters of men" were "fair" and, instead of looking for spiritual qualities, they only "saw" the physical ones.

I agree with this, but you know, even if not, it is certainly the lesson we should learn-it was in the end, an issue of breaking of separation-that's been our problem since Eden, and many have still not understood this simple truth.

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It was Sodom and Gomorrah which went after strange flesh, in the book of Jude. The angels despised domiinion.

Yes Sodom and Gomorrah went after strange flesh and the angels also in like manner went after strange flesh.

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Also, in Genesis 6:4, the phrase ''and also after that'', is not speaking of ''later in time' because the whole story takes place ''in those days''.

and also after that.   Matthew 24

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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Yes Sodom and Gomorrah went after strange flesh and the angels also in like manner went after strange flesh.

In the Book of Jude, the "certain men crept in unawares" are compared to three(3) OT groups: the angels, the Israelites in the wilderness, and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

#1 The angels despised dominion and rebelled against God.

#2 The Israelites spoke evil of dignities when they murmured against Moses.

#3 And the Sodomites went after strange flesh because they

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Sorry Eric, but you are wrong. 

Kind begets kind. (see Genesis 1)

If angels were able to reproduce, they would produce angels... not men. 

There is no verse in the Word of God that calls angels "Nephiyl".

Numbers 13:32-33 reveal that the Nephiyl were MEN of great stature.  Not angels, but MEN.

Kind begets kind.  The Nephiyl were nothing more than men of great stature.

 

Yes they where men that were children of the giants.

 

Numbers 13:32-33

32And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

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and also after that.   Matthew 24

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

This is the verse......

Genesis 6:4  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

The phrase "and also after that" cannot mean "and later on" or "at a later time" because of the grammar and because the whole story is about "in those days". The word "after", here, means like "in imitation of", "in accordance with" or "in conformity to".

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In the Book of Jude, the "certain men crept in unawares" are compared to three(3) OT groups: the angels, the Israelites in the wilderness, and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

#1 The angels despised dominion and rebelled against God.

#2 The Israelites spoke evil of dignities when they murmured against Moses.

#3 And the Sodomites went after strange flesh because they

 

 

Jude 1:4-8

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers

defile the flesh,

despise dominion,

and speak evil of dignities.

 

So did the Israelites saved out of Egypt.

 

So did the angels

 

So did Sodom and Gomorrha.

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Jude 1:4-8
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers
defile the flesh,
despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.

So did the Israelites saved out of Egypt.

So did the angels

So did Sodom and Gomorrha.

It is Eternal damnation, that the goats who've crept in share in common with the fallen angels and Sodom, and the unbelieving Israelites.

And later, from Enoch's prophecy, those who died in the flood are included.

All a comparison to a church that doesnt earnestly contend for the faith, allowing unregenerated preachers to come in.



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I'm not sure what you mean.

 

This is the verse......

Genesis 6:4  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

The phrase "and also after that" cannot mean "and later on" or "at a later time" because of the grammar and because the whole story is about "in those days". The word "after", here, means like "in imitation of", "in accordance with" or "in conformity to".

 

 

The giants that Israel destroyed where evidence that it did happen again after the flood.

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The giants that Israel destroyed where evidence that it did happen again after the flood.

I believe that one thing was not mentioned about the term "and also after that".  Moses is the one who penned Genesis. God inspired Moses to record the book for us and may have put that term in there because one of the reasons they did not go into the land for forty years is because they saw giants in the land and this was "after that" flood, and were afraid.

 

"In those days" refers to the days of Noah before the flood, "and also after that" refers to the days after the flood and God made sure that Moses recorded it and it is truth and it was a truth to the one God chose to author the Book of Genesis.

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I am not yet convinced either way from the arguments being presented for or against who the sons of God are.

I will ask some more questions for clarity sake.

Hstings ask to consider the punctuation.  It has a semi-colon before "and also after", and a comma after words.

the semi-colon does indicate a connection of interdependent statements.  So it would seem there is something connect the giants before the 120 years and after the 120 years.

In this case it is a two part statement by the Author (Moses).

The word that proceeds the semi-colon is the word "days" and any info after would be connected to that.

What "days" then is the writer referring too?  The writer being Moses.

It is speaking of days of the 120 years because you have to go back to the previous mention of time measurement and the one proceeding Days is 120 years.

So it would seem it is the time he first speaks to Noah about what he was to do to the earth.

So we would have to answer another question, we know that it is Moses who wrote the book of Genesis.  But immediately in 6:3 which carries a Paraclete as did verse 1 and verse 4.  here the question, Who is God speaking to in Verse 3 and verse 7?

It would seem by verse 17 God was speaking to Noah?  (Moses is just recording what God has told him).

I am not sure if the giants are off spring of the sons of God, the line from Seth until Noah, or are the sons of God, some angels.

From what some are saying they are the godly line of Seth, except everyone is a sinner and there is none righteous no not one, so how could we label them the godly line (except some say the line is lineage to Christ).

Did God ever say in his word the Holy Scriptures, there was a godly line from Seth and where he specifically called this line the sons of God?

So I find it hard to say that the sons of God here is the lineage of Christ because God never called them that.  And beside if there were a godly line of men why did they get destroyed with rest and not saved along with Noah?  I read one comment was because all the sons of God except Noah died before the flood.

Then others are saying that the Sons of God are the fallen angels using Peter and James as cross references.

But these sons of God are connected to giants and men of renown.  Giants representing their height and men of renown representing their rule over others.   Also the term mighty men is used in describing the offspring of the sons of God.

There are only two references to which we can make a determination as to the meaning of "men of renown" but for mighty men there are a 72 verse and it has to do with men being strong in battle.        

 Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
 Nu 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
the men of Moses time are the ones who are rulers or heads of the families they represented.  So the conclusion of men of renown would be they were heads over families or groups of people.  who got to be the head in Moses day were the oldest male of the family.  Before the flood is anyones guess but may have been the head of the family or the one who was strongest and won a battle to be able to rule over men.  Gen 6 does say, Ge 6:11 ¶ The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.  Violence and strength go together.

Which is turned we must ask in verse 11 was it the earth, the dry land, that was corrupt before God? Or doe sit mean the world system, the way men ran the earth, that had become corrupt before the Lord?

Now I can recite plenty of godly men over the years and many of the commentaries you have at your own access and some say it is a godly line from Seth and others say they are fallen angels who left their first estate.  So I figure if men have been divided over this issue in may just remain that way until we all get to heaven.
 

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Here are those of the "sons of God" which were named in Genesis 5.......

 

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph,..................................which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

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Here are those of the "sons of God" which were named in Genesis 5.......

 

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph,..................................which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

It says Adam was a son of God, the rest say they were the son of the previous male in the family line.  the English does not state or imply that Joseph or any other except Adam were the sons of God.

 

there are 11 verse in the Bible which hold the term sons (plural) of God.  Six of them all found in the New Testament are in reference to believers on Christ. the other five in the Old Testament are:

 

 Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
 Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. 
We sill skip these two

 

 Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
 Job 2:1 ¶ Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

When did Seth or any other man go on any day to present themselves before God where Satan would be allowed to come also?

 

I had to have the context of the last verse for sos of God in Job 38
Job 38:4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons
(plural) of God shouted for joy?  Was Seth or any other man shouting for joy when God laid the foundations of the Earth?

 

If you say Genesis 1 and 2 those persons would be whom?
 

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Here are those of the "sons of God" which were named in Genesis 5.......

 

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph,..................................which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

In the Greek it just says "Adam Theos", the words "son of" are not in the original text, they are in italics in the King James.

Sticking to the Hebrew Old Testament, bene ha 'elohim always refers to angels, not to man.  The daughters of man are differentiated

from the sons of God in Genesis.  The Holy Spirit did not say "the daughters of Cain", he said bath 'adam.  And they gave birth to nephilim (translaterated).

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