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From The Ukraine To War With Russia?


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All systems of government are godless?  Follow their father the devil.  Hmmmm  - so, in Romans 13, when God commands us to be subject to government (never specifying the form, but rather having government) He was telling us to be subject to the devil?  Something God ordained?  I don't think so.....

 

But I do agree: our Constitution prevents us from policing the world.  The feds don't have the authority constitutionally to send our soldiers anywhere there is not a specific American interest.  And interest isn't simply policing.  Although there are a number of American interests (and, no, I'm not talking oil) for some of the wars we've been in. But not all.

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The Founders considered England to be a tyrant for exceedingly far less things than what is done to American citizens by our own government.

 

Police given authority to conduct "no knock" home invasions. The police being turned into para-military. The use of the military on American soil against American citizens. More people in prison than any other nation. Government controls, regulations, laws over most aspects of our lives. Law enforcement having a green light to lie and use deception when speaking to us but even a slip of the tongue by us can be called a lie which for us is illegal. The trampling of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Etc.

 

Then around the world America is seen as a hypocritical bully. America attempts to tell other nations how they must live. The she punishes nations for doing what she herself does. American forces operate inside other nations without permission. America operatives work to bring down certain world leaders and raise up others. America uses bribes to get her way. Etc.

 

I'm certainly not saying this is anything unique to America. Every country of power has or does the same to one extent or another.

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There seems to be some hope of a settlement.  However if the situation gets much worse, Russia would probably be forced to intervene.  In the east of the country there are many Russian speakers who would rather have union with Russia than the EU.  If she intervenes it would probably be to protect the Russian speakers in the East as she did in Armenia several years ago.  US did not intervene then and would be unlikely to now. The result would probably be two Ukraines, one united with Russia and the other with the 4th Reich (the EU) 

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The Russians are behind this all the way!  What does all the way mean?  Does it mean they are the only one with there noses stuck in this dispute?  They're masters of deceit. Yes, true.  However they are not the only masters of deceit.

 

I suppose you are aware of the Monroe Doctrine.  Is it surprising that the Russians would also have such a doctrine?

 

God bless,

Larry

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The Russians are no more masters of deceit than any other godless government.

 

We have to keep in mind Russia and Ukraine are neighbors and a large percentage of the Ukrainian population is Russian.

 

These two nations have a very long and entangled history and what effects one effects the other.

 

It would be a bigger surprise if Russia were not trying to do something to effect the outcome in their favor. The bigger question is why American agents are stirring the pot there.

 

The American president can't even take care of America yet he keeps making speeches telling those in Ukraine, Syria, and several other nations how they must act or he will make sure they pay some sort of consequences.

 

Meanwhile the Russian president is actually trying to put forth efforts that he sees as beneficial to Russians. He's trying to help Russians in Ukraine, trying to make sure their important neighbor remains and asset and doesn't become a problem, he's put in place laws to shut down pro-homosexual propaganda, laws to keep children out of the hands of homosexuals, stood behind a long time Russian ally even when it could have been very costly to do so, etc.

 

No, this isn't calling Putin a great guy or Russia  great country, just showing the contrast between a nations leader actually working towards the goal of improving and protecting his nation and an American president who allows the Mexican government to flaunt American laws, help illegals come into America, harbors fugitives from American justice, and allows lawlessness to impact America. All this while placing laws in effect that have severely hurt our coal industry, refusing to approve the keystone pipeline which would greatly benefit the country in terms of energy and jobs, endorsing full acceptance of homosexuality, even granting homosexual "couples" full federal benefits that heterosexual married couples receive, fomenting racial tensions, etc.

 

At this point, what goes on between the Russians and Ukrainians shouldn't be a major concern for America.

 

If America doesn't tend to her internal affairs, and do so quickly and in what would seem radical ways, the fall of America will be soon and devastating.

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Britain. Russia, France The Ottoman Turks and the Kingdom of Sardia all intervened in that area during the Crimean War 1853-1856.

 

  • The last survivor of the Crimean War was Timothy the Tortoise. Timothy was actually a female tortoise and she died in 2004 (aged about 165). She was ship’s mascot on the HMS Queen which took part in the bombardment of Sevastopol.

     

     

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The Russians under Putin are the driving force behind this revolution.  They've also set themselves up as the men on white horses who could ride in and save the day; using all the nice things John said about them to cement their victory.  I would imagine that the American Democrats are also working to throw off the Ukrainian government and either support Putin or maybe their own guy.  History shows they always support the murderous tyrants, not the freedom loving patriots.

 

Don't forget the history is right.  The Russians murdered half the population before WW2, the Nazis murdered untold millions more during WW2 and then those people were swallowed up behind the Iron Curtain after WW2 where more blood letting continued for decades.  Their taste of freedom didn't even last twenty years.

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Russia and Ukraine are neighbors with a history longer than we have been a nation. This is really none of our concern any more than it should be Russia's concern if something like this were going on in Canada or Mexico.

 

Something like 40% of the population in eastern Ukraine are Russians. If the situation were reversed and we were the Russians we would be working to sway things in our favor too. At least the Russians have that excuse. America has no real excuse to be involved in this.

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The Russians under Putin are the driving force behind this revolution.  They've also set themselves up as the men on white horses who could ride in and save the day; using all the nice things John said about them to cement their victory.  I would imagine that the American Democrats are also working to throw off the Ukrainian government and either support Putin or maybe their own guy.  History shows they always support the murderous tyrants, not the freedom loving patriots.

 

Don't forget the history is right.  The Russians murdered half the population before WW2, the Nazis murdered untold millions more during WW2 and then those people were swallowed up behind the Iron Curtain after WW2 where more blood letting continued for decades.  Their taste of freedom didn't even last twenty years.

 

I think you are absolutely wrong here.  Russia did not want this revolution, they were trying to woo Ukraine away from Europe, offering trade deals, cheap gas and massive loans of which $3 billion had already been paid.  

 

Russia rightly wants to protect her borders from the encroaching EU.  Don't forget that the US is a republic and republics are socialist.  

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I don't know where this situation will go from here but I fear it will not end well for anyone.  Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria come to mind. :thumbdown:

 

God bless,

Larry

 

With Chuckee gutting the military even further, I'm afraid we won't have enough troops left to even pass out "meals on wheels".  I doubt we'll send troops into this.

 

Don't forget that the US is a republic and republics are socialist.  

 

Is that more of Great Britain's government school propaganda?

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