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From The Ukraine To War With Russia?


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Actually if one goes far enough left one will be on the right.  :blink:

 

God bless,

Larry

I think that's the idea behind claiming Nazis are far right...Jews today in America don't want to support an agenda of "right-wingers" because of what happened in Germany, little realizing that it is the left they truly have to worry about.

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The reason the Left claimes Nazis and neo-nazis' to be Rightists is because of their nationalist viewpoints. Other than that, the broad socialist aspects of the Nazis is strictly Leftist.

 

The reason neonazis are called far-right is because of their nationalism, as you say, and their conservatism. Right-wing people call them far-right too and have done for years. If anything it just shows how the 'left' and 'right' political spectrum is redundant. People can be economically right but not conservative, for example.

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There are two key pillars to Nazism, that being Nationalism and Socialism. Nationalism wasn't always the domain of the Right. Those on the Left in America used to also be nationalists. It wasn't until the latter half of the 20th century that nationalism became a dirty word on the American Left.

 

Socialism, which from a traditional American view is clearly Leftist, permeates Nazism. Even their nationalism is promoted through socialism.

 

I absolutely agree that in America today there are few on the Right which are actually traditional, or paleo-conservatives. With much of the Right giving in to the advances of the Left, they have attempted to meld a bit of their Rightist philosophy with Leftism. This gives us so-called conservatives who are "fiscal conservatives but social liberals".

 

Meanwhile, as the Right moves more to the Left, the Left moves even further to the Left. True conservatives from the past would be viewed as extremists by most on the so-called Right today while past Leftists would be viewed as to conservative for the Leftists.

 

This is why today we can have those like Romney and Christie hailed as conservatives and we hear those to the right of them tagged as "far right wing", "extremists", and worse.

 

This is also why some Leftists today think Hillary Clinton isn't Left enough though in the 90s she was considered a far Leftist.

 

The term "conservative" is basically meaningless in America today. A true, traditional constitutionalist today couldn't be a conservative because there is nothing of that left to conserve! Nearly everything the conservatives have claimed to be fighting to conserve for the past several decades has been lost. This is why we see todays conservatives working to conserve the welfare state, to conserve big government with tiny reforms around the edges to suit their ideas, to conserve the influx of millions of illegal immigrants, to conserve unconstitutional court rulings as "settled law", etc.

 

Nazism isn't conservatism but then again, American conservatism today isn't traditional conservatism either.

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In the UK, groups like the English Defence League and British National Party call for a return to 'traditional' England where 'traditional' English values are upheld and there are no foreigners are allowed. Such conservatism is considered right-wing, which is why groups like EDL are called 'far-right'. Perhaps that's why they get called far-right in Ukraine too, was all I was saying. I wasn't talking about USA.

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I've spoken with over two dozen English WWII veterans who all said if they knew England would have become filled with all the foreigners like it is now they would have preferred to let the Germans win.

 

I know many English who came to America to escape the "foreign invasion" only to become dismayed at seeing the same thing occurring here.

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Here is a discussion (22 minutes) about why the Ukrainian problem is so dangerous.  I put this on here because the western governments and media are putting out the story that this power struggle in the Ukraine is all about FREEDOM.  It is not about Freedom it is all about MONEY and OIL and GAS and who controls the flow of it.

 

 

God bless,

Larry

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That's exactly why the EU and US went to such lengths to stir up internal conflict. Their plan was that either the Ukrainian government would give in, turn from Russia and join with the EU but things soon got out of hand and we have the current mess.

 

Most conflicts come down to matters of resources; which means money and power for those who gain them, and less for those who don't.

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What Would the GOP Do?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

 

Tuesday - March 11, 2014

Though Barack Obama is widely regarded as a weak president, is the new world disorder really all his fault?

Listening to the more vocal voices of the GOP one might think so.

According to Sen. Lindsey Graham, Vladimir Putin's move into Crimea "started with Benghazi."

"When you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression," said Graham. Putin "came to the conclusion after Benghazi, Syria, Egypt" that Barack Obama is "a weak indecisive leader."

Also blaming Obama for Crimea, John McCain got cheers at AIPAC by charging, "This is the ultimate result of a feckless foreign policy in which nobody believes in America's strength anymore."

This "blatant act" of aggression "cannot stand," said McCain.

How McCain plans to force Putin to cough up Crimea was left unexplained.

Now Marco Rubio seems to be auditioning to replace the retired Joe Lieberman as third amigo. His CPAC speech is described by the L.A. Times:

"[Rubio] said that China is threatening to take parts of the South China Sea ... a nuclear North Korea is testing missiles, Venezuela is slaughtering protesters, and Cuba remains an oppressive dictatorship. He added that Iran continues to pursue nuclear weapons and regional hegemony and Russia is attempting to 'reconstitute' the former Soviet Union."

What all these countries have in common, said Rubio, is "totalitarian governments." Rubio proposes a U.S. foreign policy of leading the world to "stand up to the spread of totalitarianism."

Not quite as ambitious as George W. Bush's "ending tyranny in our world," but it will do.

Where to begin.

First, it is absurd to suggest Putin felt free to restore Crimea to Russia because of Obama's inaction in Benghazi. And while Castro's Cuba and Kim Jong-Un's North Korea are totalitarian, Putin's Russia is not Stalin's. Nor is Xi Jinping's China Mao's China.

Russia and China are great power rivals and antagonists, not the monster regimes of the Cold War that massacred millions. We must deal with them, and they don't take direction from Uncle Sam.

As for Iran, 17 U.S. intelligence agencies say it has no nuclear weapons program. Moreover, Hassan Rouhani is an elected president now presiding over the dilution of his 20-percent-enriched uranium in compliance with our November agreement.

McCain points to Obama's failure to enforce his "red line" in Syria with air and missile strikes, when Bashar Assad used chemical weapons, as the reason Obama is not respected.

But a little history is in order here.

While John Kerry and Obama were ready to attack Syria, it was the American people who rose up and said "no." It was Congress that failed to give Obama the authorization to go to war.

If McCain, Graham and Rubio think Obama should attack Syria, why don't they get their hawkish Republican brethren in the House to authorize war on Syria? See how that sits with the voters in 2014.

Last fall, Lindsey Graham was shopping around a resolution for a U.S. war on Iran. What became of that brainstorm? After Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans are weary of what all this bellicosity inevitably brings.

Is Russia really reconstituting the Soviet Union?

True, Putin seeks to bring half a dozen ex-Soviet republics, now nations, into an economic union to rival the EU. But where the state religion of the USSR was Marxism-Leninism, i.e., communism, Putin is trying to restore Russian Orthodox Christianity.

There is a difference, as there is a difference between Stalin murdering priests and Putin prosecuting Pussy Riot for blasphemous misbehavior on the high altar of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

How do we think King Abdullah would have handled the women, had they pulled their stunt in the Great Mosque in Mecca?

While China is indeed moving to claim the East and South China seas, bringing her into possible conflict with Japan over the Senkakus, the GOP is not without culpability here.

It was a Bush-led Republican Party that voted to throw open America's markets to China. Result: In the last two years, China ran up $630 billion in trade surpluses at our expense, a figure larger than the entire U.S. defense budget for 2015.

Our trade deficits with China provide her annually with enough dollars to finance her own defense budget twice over. Twenty years of such U.S. trade deficits have given the Middle Kingdom the trillions it needed to build the armed forces to drive us out of East Asia.

Are U.S. sailors and Marines now to die defending the Senkakus against a menacing China that the Bush free traders helped mightily to create?

If Sen. Rubio wants to "stand up" to China, why not call for a 50 percent tariff on all Chinese-made goods. Try that one out on the K Street bundlers and U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Yet Marco Rubio in the primaries would be healthy for America. A showdown between non-interventionists and the neocon War Party, to determine which way America goes, is long overdue. Let's get it on.
 

Read More At: http://buchanan.org/blog/gop-6286

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It's rather ironic that America believes giving Ukraine a billion dollars is a good answer and something that works against Russia. Ukraine is in great debt to Russia which means that most, if not all of that billion dollars will end up in Russia.

 

At the same time America is over 17 trillion dollars in debt, with China owning most of our debt, which means America is borrowing a billion dollars from China, plus interest, in order to give it to Ukraine so it looks like America is doing something, which will then hand over that money to Russia as debt payment.

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I'm still dubious about all these reports coming out of the Ukraine and what is really going on. The truth usually doesn't come out until long after all the lies have died off.

 

I do believe Russia has special interest in that pipeline going through Crimea and that's the main reason they moved in there.

 

By the way, has anyone read the book "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg? The "far left" is really the "far right" in their practice and method.  I've read portions of it and heard an interview with him on Glenn Beck's show when he was on FOX (only time I think I ever watched his show). It sounds like quite telling read.

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It's rather ironic that America believes giving Ukraine a billion dollars is a good answer and something that works against Russia. Ukraine is in great debt to Russia which means that most, if not all of that billion dollars will end up in Russia.

 

 

My first thought too when I heard this. I'm sure Putin is already using some of that money to go bear hunting.

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Not surprising but something one does not like to contemplate.  I have for a long time thought that the U.S might be taken out before the final conflict in the middle east takes place.  I sure hope this isn't the time for that to happen.  Only God knows the future our leaders will take us into.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/state-tv-says-russia-could-turn-us-radioactive-212003397.html

 

God bless,

Larry

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