How Old Is The Earth

[beameup]

The Bible says they took WIVES; you don't cohabit a wife....you get married

Yes, the fallen angels (bene ha'elohim) that came to the earth took (that is TOOK, not "asked for") 'ishshah.

Contamination of the human gene-pool by producing hybrids was Satan's goal.  No pure human=no Messiah.

Perhaps looking deeper into the Hebrew would be of assistance... just sayin'

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These are the generations of Noah:

Noah was (1) a just man and

(2) perfect in his generations, - [genetically pure]

(3) and Noah walked with God.  Gen 6:9

Edited February 20, 2014 by beameup

[heartstrings]

No, the guys listed in Genesis 5, who were believers in the lineage of Christ, were the same sons of God in Genesis 6 who married worldly women, lived and "begat sons and daughters" for 700, 800, 900 years each,  and saw their great, great, great, great, great, great............grandchildren multiply into mighty nations of thousands, possibly millions strong, thus rendering them immensely powerful economically, politically. and militarily. They were super powers of their day......in a world "filled with violence" . They were Mighty men of renown..... men....human beings.

Edited February 20, 2014 by heartstrings

[beameup]

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha' elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam,  and they bare children to them,

the same became mighty gibbowr  [note: not 'adam]  which were of old, men of renown.  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth.

 

Perhaps a look into the Hebrew will shed some light on Genesis 6.  The Catholic church didn't like the obvious implications of this passage,

because it had forbidded sexual connotations.  So, the idea that these were Sethites (decends of Seth) that cohabited with loose women.

Edited February 20, 2014 by beameup

[Ukulelemike]

You are "half right", angels in heaven do not marry. Nowhere in scripture does it say that "angels cannot have children".

 Angels "that left their first estate" and came to earth clearly cohabited with women (daughters of adam).  Sometimes 

we "assume".    From Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2, we can see that these angels came to earth and cohabited, and thus 

are reserved for special judgement in Tartarus (inside the earth).  The "Sethite" doctrine was cooked-up by the Augustinian Catholics.

bene ha'elohim is consistent in the Hebrew Old Testament.

That the angels spoken of in Jude and 2Peter are the same as the sons of God in Genesis 5 is pure speculation with no proof that they are connected. That the angels sinned is true and they were subsequently punished for it, but to connect them to the events of Gen 5 is speculation to seek to make a case that isn't there.

 

An angel's first estate was to serve God-that they left that first estate means that they left from serving God, not that they married human women and hbad children. HUmans were created for the purpose of bearing offspring-angels were not-that there is no mention of 'female' angels is proof. Angels always appeared as men, yet they were primarily beings of spirit who, apparently could take human form when sent out by the Lord as angels, or messengers. When they cease from being messengers, they cease from being angels, (for so the word means) and become devils, and there is not one example given in scripture where a devil takes human form, not even Satan himself. If anything, they are the devil's angels, his messengers, not God's, and with that, they no longer would have the ability, I believe, to take human form. Only angels sent from God are ever seen in human form, and that sets a precedent-to assume otherwise is to step outside of what the Bible says.

[Ukulelemike]

 

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha' elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam,  and they bare children to them,

the same became mighty gibbowr  [note: not 'adam]  which were of old, men of renown.  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth.

 

Perhaps a look into the Hebrew will shed some light on Genesis 6.  The Catholic church didn't like the obvious implications of this passage,

because it had forbidded sexual connotations.  So, the idea that these were Sethites (decends of Seth) that cohabited with loose women.

 

gibbowr generally carries with it the meaning of one who is mighty or valiant in battle, used 63 times as 'mighty', 68 times for 'mighty men' and less than 5 times for any other use, so your argument fails. And it doesn't have to mean descendents of Seth, either, just followers of God intermarrying with ungodly women, the same thing we are forbidden to do today. And I'm not seeing how you see 'cohabitation with loose women' in 'they took them wives'. Marriage.

[heartstrings]

 

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha' elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam,  and they bare children to them,

the same became mighty gibbowr  [note: not 'adam]  which were of old, men of renown.  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth.

 

Perhaps a look into the Hebrew will shed some light on Genesis 6.  The Catholic church didn't like the obvious implications of this passage,

because it had forbidded sexual connotations.  So, the idea that these were Sethites (decends of Seth) that cohabited with loose women.

 

Again, nobody "cohabited" They took wives..

About the "nephilim", the verse simply states that there were "giants in those days". The term "in those days" is important because the word "after" immediately following it cannot mean "at a later time" because the whole story is taking place "in those days"....with me so far? The term "after that" in the verse means "in imitation of", "in accordance with" or "in conformity to". In other words; it's not saying offspring became giants: it's saying that the sons of God had huge families, which became mighty men, and were a formidable force, just like the giants.

 

Also, I derived at my belief on this by digging for myself. Not from Catholics.

Edited February 20, 2014 by heartstrings

[beameup]

gibbowr generally carries with it the meaning of one who is mighty or valiant in battle, used 63 times as 'mighty', 68 times for 'mighty men' and less than 5 times for any other use, so your argument fails. And it doesn't have to mean descendents of Seth, either, just followers of God intermarrying with ungodly women, the same thing we are forbidden to do today. And I'm not seeing how you see 'cohabitation with loose women' in 'they took them wives'. Marriage.

The information I presented is consistent.  Obviously not found in Gen 6 is ordinary man ben 'adam. (Noah & sons excepted).

 

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha'Elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam, and they bare children to them,

the same became the nephilim, mighty men which were of old, men of renown. [large hybrids].   Genesis 5 is simply a geneology of Noah from Adam.

 

Being supernatural angels with physical bodies, they obviously overpowered the regular human men.  They TOOK women as they chose, much like the Pharoah did to Abraham's half-sister/wife Sarah.  They produced offspring that was hybrid. (like a horse & donkey = mule).  They just happened to be giant.

 

In short order, there was only one man who was qualified to survive the flood and repopulate the earth: Noah.

These are the generations of Noah:

Noah was a just man

and perfect in his generations, tamiym dowr (implies without spot or blemish)

and Noah walked with God.

Edited February 20, 2014 by beameup

[heartstrings]

 

The information I presented is consistent.  Obviously not found in Gen 6 is ordinary man ben 'adam. (Noah & sons excepted).

 

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha'Elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam, and they bare children to them,

the same became the nephilim, mighty men which were of old, men of renown. [large hybrids].   Genesis 5 is simply a geneology of Noah from Adam.

 

Being supernatural angels with physical bodies, they obviously overpowered the regular human men.  They TOOK women as they chose, much like the Pharoah did to Abraham's half-sister/wife Sarah.  They produced offspring that was hybrid. (like a horse & donkey = mule).  They just happened to be giant.

 

In short order, there was only one man who was qualified to survive the flood and repopulate the earth: Noah.

These are the generations of Noah:

Noah was a just man

and perfect in his generations, tamiym dowr (implies without spot or blemish)

and Noah walked with God.

 

Yes,absolutely. Noah was truly perfect in his generations...Because instead of participating in the "marrying and giving in marriage" which Jesus said was going on at this time, Noah married just one(1) wife and generated all of his offspring  with her. I believe, also, that Mrs. Noah was a believer instead of being one of the "daughters of men" aka unbelievers. Noah, also, was a "son of God". But I personally believe that the other sons of God were most likely polygamists and were not "walking with God" as Noah was. They were saved but major "backslid".

[DaveW]

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There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the bene ha'Elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam, and they bare children to them

the same became the nephilim mighty men which wereof old, men of renown. [large hybrids].   Genesis 5 is simply a geneology of Noah from Adam."

Where do you get this from? (source of the quote please).

Hybrids only happen within a kind.
You can hybrid different 'breeds' of dogs, different varieties of citrus, but you can not hybrid dogs with cats, nor oranges with apples.

In nature ( and even on the lab) the kind of hybrid you speak of is impossible.

[beameup]

I suppose you have read Genesis 5??

 

The bene ha 'elohim are introduced in Genesis 6.

 

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, (as a result of)

when the bene ha' elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam,

and they bare children to them, [nephilim]  Genesis 6:4              God says it, I believe it

 

 

 

 Here are the Hebrew definitions for each name  in Gen 5,

Adam = man

Seth means "appointed"

Enos  means "mortal"

Cainan means "sorrow"

Mahalalel means "the blessed God"

Jared      means "shall descend or come down"

Enoch   "teaching" 
 

Methusaleah  "his death shall bring"

Lamech  means  "the dispairing"

Noah   "rest and comfort"
 

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah is the Gospel in proper names.
 

Edited February 20, 2014 by beameup

[DaveW]

I was referring to the bracketed statement [large hybrids].

Where does this come from?

[heartstrings]

 

 

Posted Today, 12:12 AM

I suppose you have read Genesis 5??

 

The bene ha 'elohim are introduced in Genesis 6.

 

 

 

 Here are the Hebrew definitions for each name  in Gen 5,

Adam = man

Seth means "appointed"

Enos   "mortal sorrow"

Cainan means "lamenting"

Mahalaleel means "the blessed God"

Jared means "shall descend or come down"

Enoch   "teaching" 
 

Methusaleah  "his death shall bring"

Lamech       "healing for the afflicted"

Noah   "rest and comfort"
 

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah is the Gospel in proper names.

 

 

 

I've read something similar to this before, It's amazing!

Genesis 6 is a continuation of Genesis 5. Those named men in Genesis 5 are "bene ha 'elohim" because they began tp call upon the name of the Lord back in Genesis 4. John chapter 1 says that as many as received Him (the Word who was "in the beginning") gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. The same is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. They were saved by grace through faith....sons of God.

Edited February 20, 2014 by heartstrings

[DaveW]

I suppose you have read Genesis 5??

The bene ha 'elohim are introduced in Genesis 6.

There were nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, (as a result of)
when the bene ha' elohim came in unto the bath 'Adam,
and they bare children to them, [nephilim] Genesis 6:4 God says it, I believe it



Here are the Hebrew definitions for each name in Gen 5,

Adam = man

Seth means "appointed"

Enos means "mortal"

Cainan means "sorrow"

Mahalalel means "the blessed God"

Jared means "shall descend or come down"

Enoch "teaching"

Methusaleah "his death shall bring"

Lamech means "the dispairing"

Noah "rest and comfort"

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah is the Gospel in proper names.

Strangely after all of that the Bible still says "Sons of God" and "daughters of men" but those phrases are not defined in and of themselves.

And might men, men of renown carries no inherent meaning of supernatural.
No, not even in the Hebrew.

There is absolutely no biblical reason to imply that they were large hybrids.

[swathdiver]

Hi Dave, 

 

  What do you think of King Og of Bashan?

[DaveW]

Hi Dave,

What do you think of King Og of Bashan?

Is this to me?

Whilst I don't see the relevance, it appears that he had a big bed (about 14' long).

He was a tall man among a kingdom of tall men.