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I am a missionary, among the Anishinaabe.

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Are they also on a "rez"?  I have been out among the Diné [Navajo].  Do they suffer from alcoholism, as other tribes, and various diseases [hypertension, diabetes, etc] caused by their diet and lifestyle [bad lungs, smoking, open fire stoves, etc]?  is there any issues with gambling?  Just curious, as that is rampant out here with them.

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Are they also on a "rez"?  I have been out among the Diné [Navajo].  Do they suffer from alcoholism, as other tribes, and various diseases [hypertension, diabetes, etc] caused by their diet and lifestyle [bad lungs, smoking, open fire stoves, etc]?  is there any issues with gambling?  Just curious, as that is rampant out here with them.


Kind of a derogatory statement, don't you think?
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Does the Bible speak about the gifts of the Holy Spirit? is one of those gifts in "diversities of tongues [languages]" 1 Corinthians 12:28? Does the Bible also speak about "interpret[ing]" 1 Corinthians 14:27, etc and that a person may also that speaks in a foreign language also may have the ability to interpret it [1 Corinthians 14:13]? Did the various Holy men of God, speaking as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, the Bible writers themselves speak in multiple languages and translate for their audience? Here are some examples of that:

"...the writing of the letter [was] written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue." [Ezra 4:7;p];


"...whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans." [Daniel 1:4] [the Book of Daniel was written in several langauges];

"...Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD with us." [Matthew 1:23;p];


"...Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." [Mark 5:41;p]


"...Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull." [Mark 15:22;p]


"...Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Mark 15:34;p];


"...Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,)..." [John 1:38;p];


"...Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ." [John 1:41;p];


"...shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone." [John 1:42;p];


"...called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha." [John 19:13;p];


"...insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood." [Acts 1:19;p];


"...Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,)..." [Acts 4:36];

"...a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda." [John 5:2;p];


"...he spake unto [them] in the Hebrew tongue, saying,..." [Acts 21:40;p];


"...they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,..." [Acts 22:2;p];


"...I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks." [Acts 26:14;p];


"And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon." [Revelation 9:11];


"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," [Revelation 14:6];


"...into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." [Revelation 16:16;p]].


Was the Bible written in a single language or multiple, like various Hebrew, Aramaic [Chaldee] and Koine Greek? Will you then follow the Biblical command: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

The questions were asked, and given in English alongside the Greek, which is what the NT was written in primarily, also that we ask of Romans 14. The answer is obvious, and not difficult for those which have prayed unto God for discernment that we may understand the "deep" things of God by His Holy Spirit:

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Corinthians 2:10


Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13


Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17


If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. James 1:5

None of this answers the question of where the Biblical mandate is for you to speak in a language that the persons you are speaking with don't speak. I would also venture that it is not the language you were born in, either.

Since you avoided the question, I assume that you have an ulterior motive, to move from the English, and that you are concealing it.

You have sought to reject the simple request of keeping the discussion within the text of the English KJB.

If your god can't use the English Scriptures to teach his word to English speaking peoples, then maybe you have a different god than mine.

Anishinaabe

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None of this answers the question of where the Biblical mandate is for you to speak in a language that the persons you are speaking with don't speak. I would also venture that it is not the language you were born in, either.

Since you avoided the question, I assume that you have an ulterior motive, to move from the English, and that you are concealing it.

You have sought to reject the simple request of keeping the discussion within the text of the English KJB.

If your god can't use the English Scriptures to teach his word to English speaking peoples, then maybe you have a different god than mine.

Anishinaabe


He doesn't answer questions he doesn't like.

He either gives a totally irrelevant ( and usually long) answer, asks questions about the question that are designed to shift the subject elsewhere, or simply ignores the question.
Oh and occasionally tells you that it is off topic.

It is his manner to avoid accountability and to deceive with misinformation and misapplication.
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He doesn't answer questions he doesn't like.

He either gives a totally irrelevant ( and usually long) answer, asks questions about the question that are designed to shift the subject elsewhere, or simply ignores the question.
Oh and occasionally tells you that it is off topic.

It is his manner to avoid accountability and to deceive with misinformation and misapplication.

I fully agree brother. It is sophist reasoning that he employs and the contortions of scripture are truly amazing.

 

Many if us have put him and others on ignore lists so we don't see what they are posting.

 

I did so because it became to emotional for me as I saw the word of God manipulated to the point to allow sinful behaviour to which I just wanted to spit.  People like these are wolves in sheep's clothing.  they are dangerous

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There was a troll here not unlike this one some time back who also would make long and numerous posts and refused to answer most of our questions. Coincidence?


Well I have asked him directly if he has ever been a member of this forum under another name, and he refuses to answer at all.

I can only surmise from this that he has been here before and been banned for it - he won't answer so what else can I think?
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Yes, we have many reservations here, and many of the same issues, due largely to the availability of unearned benefits and casinos.
Ahehe for asking.

Anishinaabe

 

Do you want to help them be cured of those diseases?  The Health Ministry of Christ is the right arm of the Everlasting Gospel. The Book of Luke is probably primary on this, though the other Gospels also share it.  Would you like some tools and resources that may help you in the ministry to them?

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Do you want to help them be cured of those diseases? The Health Ministry of Christ is the right arm of the Everlasting Gospel. The Book of Luke is probably primary on this, though the other Gospels also share it. Would you like some tools and resources that may help you in the ministry to them?

Yes, Christ is, and has the cure for all diseases, physical, mental and spiritual.

Anishinaabe

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Yes, Christ is, and has the cure for all diseases, physical, mental and spiritual.

Anishinaabe

 

I am asking you if you would like the practical things that Jesus left in His word for healing, in addition to prayer.  Many more would come to Jesus Christ through the Gospel if their bodies were not in such pain and misery, and their heads/minds unclouded from foginess through incorrect diet, etc.  Christ Jesus is the Great Phsycisian and went about healing all that were diseased and sick and lame, and the Disciples and Apostles followed.

 

There are steps to take brother, in the very natural things that God gave to us in Creation, and in His instruction about the human system in His Word.

 

For instance, there are things that can be taught that will eliminate the majority of diabetes, hypertension, high blood pressure, and can help to relieve alcoholism and the desire for it for those coming off it it.  Foods that can be prepared, a lifestyle taught from Scripture, and medical missionary work that can be done and taught.

 

I am asking if you would like any of those things.

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You wouldn't know the Biblical way to cure these things, and even if you did (which you don't) you couldn't possibly explain it in a way simple enough that any would understand it or could be bothered reading.


You can't even answer simple questions regarding personal integrity.

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You're probably right Mike.  To answer is to lie and he doesn't want to do that before God.  Funny thing though, this fellow doesn't realize that he's being dishonest before God anyway by being here again and refusing to answer your question.

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What shall we notice as we consider the text of Romans 14 in whole and in context?

 

The first thing that we should immediately ask, is that, Is there any of the following Greek words found anywhere in in Romans 14:

[1.] sabbaton [sabbath, the Holy 7th Day of the Lord thy God] or derivatives

 

[2.] th hmera th ebdomh [the 7th Day],

 

[3.] akathartos [[inherently] unclean],

 

[4.] bdelygma [abomination],

 

[5.] katapausis, anapauo, anapausis [rest],

 

[6.] episynagoge, synago [gathering, [sacred] assembling],

 

[7.] nomos [Law],

 

[8.] entole [commandment]

 

 

We find that nowhere in Romans 14 are any of those words [previously given] used. Well, let us then take a look at the words that Romans 14 does primarily use:

 

Here is a list of certain primary words that are found in Romans 14:

krinō” “κρίνω” is used 10 times in Romans 14:


judge” [Romans 14:3,10,13 (two times)]
judgest” [Romans 14:4]
esteemeth” [Romans 14:5 (two times)]
condemneth” [Romans 14:22]
dost” [Romans 14:10 (combined)]
let us” [Romans 14:13 (combined)]

 

exoutheneō” “ἐξουθενέω” is used 4 times in Romans 14:


despise” [Romans 14:3]
set at nought” [Romans 14:10]
let” [Romans 14:3 (combined)]
dost” [Romans 14:10 (combined)]

 

bēma” “βῆμα” is used 1 time in Romans 14:


judgment seat” [Romans 14:10]

 

plērophoreō” “πληροφορέω” is used 2 times in Romans 14:


be fully persuaded” [Romans 14:5]
let” [Romans 14:5 (combined)]

 

phroneō” “φρονέω” is used 5 times in Romans 14:


regardeth” [Romans 14:6 (three times)]
regard” [Romans 14:6]
he doth” [Romans 14:6 (combined)]

 

brōma” “βρῶμα” is used 3 times in Romans 14:


meat” [Romans 14:15 (two times) [that which is eaten, simply food]
meat” [Romans 14:20]

 

kreas” “κρέας” is used 1 time in Romans 14:


flesh” [Romans 41:21] [(the) flesh (of a sacrificed animal)]

 

dokimazō” “δοκιμάζω” is used 1 time in Romans 14:


alloweth” [Romans 14:22]

 

pistis” “πίστις” is used 4 times in Romans 14:


faith” [Romans 14:1]
faith” [Romans 14:22]
faith” [Romans 14:23 (two times)]

 

pisteuō” “πιστεύω” is used 1 time in Romans 14:


believeth” [Romans 14:2]

 

hēmera” “ἡμέρα” is used 5 times in Romans 14:


one day” [Romans 14:5]
day [alike]” [Romans 14:5]
the day” [Romans 14:6 (two times)]
another” [Romans 14:5]

 

esthiō” “ἐσθίω” is used 11 times in Romans 14:


eateth” [Romans 14:2]
him that eateth” [Romans 14:3 (three times)]
him which eateth” [Romans 14:3]
he that eateth” [Romans 14:6 (two times)]
he eateth” [Romans 14:6]
eateth” [Romans 14:6]
who eateth” [Romans 14:7]
let” [Romans 14:3 (combined)]

 

adelphos” “ἀδελφός” is used 5 times in Romans 14:


brother” [Romans 14:10 (two times)]
brother” [Romans 14:15]
brother” [Romans 14:21]
in [his] brother's way” [Romans 14:13]

 

ergon” “ἔργον” is used 1 time in Romans 14:


the work” [Romans 14:20], being the “the work of GOD”

 

koinos” “κοινός” is used 3 times in Romans 14:


unclean” [Romans 14:14 (three times)] [is the actual word “common”, a different word than "akathartos" [unclean]]

 

So, let us go back to the beginning of the text and see what Paul is actually addressing.

 

What we will find in the text is the consideration of matters of Faith, of both those who are “weak” and those who are “strong”; also of matters of Judgment, of both the incorrect and of the correct; and also of matters of Brotherly Love in Christ Jesus, of stumbling, and of standing; and also matters of service, unto selfishness and inconsideration to/of others in Him, or selflessly and in consideration to/of others in Him.

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Your refusal to answer questions of basic integrity means that nothing you say can be accepted.

Satan used God's Word, but as he is a liar his use of God's Word was twisted and deceitful.
Until you answer the question of your personal integrity, you have no integrity to post anything.

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I am asking you if you would like the practical things that Jesus left in His word for healing, in addition to prayer. Many more would come to Jesus Christ through the Gospel if their bodies were not in such pain and misery, and their heads/minds unclouded from foginess through incorrect diet, etc. Christ Jesus is the Great Phsycisian and went about healing all that were diseased and sick and lame, and the Disciples and Apostles followed. There are steps to take brother, in the very natural things that God gave to us in Creation, and in His instruction about the human system in His Word. For instance, there are things that can be taught that will eliminate the majority of diabetes, hypertension, high blood pressure, and can help to relieve alcoholism and the desire for it for those coming off it it. Foods that can be prepared, a lifestyle taught from Scripture, and medical missionary work that can be done and taught. I am asking if you would like any of those things.
I use the medicines found in the Great Lakes region, because, as you know, and especially concerning honey,...local is best. The laying on of hands/ annointing with oil/ prayer for the sick is foremost, but after this, Creator made the medicines. And yes, The Word is full of instruction concerning the systems of the body. Envy causes cancer...look around. Feel free to share your ideas. In true Native fashion, I will offer one first: The White Pine tea. "Algonquin" means: "bark-eater". The Whitepine needles have a high concentration of vitamin C. There is a cambium layer of B vitamins under the bark. In the winter, we make tea from the needles and twigs, and peel the bigger branches, to be scraped and dried for vitamin bread. Anishinaabe Edited by prophet1
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I use the medicines found in the Great Lakes region, because, as you know, and especially concerning honey,...local is best. The laying on of hands/ annointing with oil/ prayer for the sick is foremost, but after this, Creator made the medicines. And yes, The Word is full of instruction concerning the systems of the body. Envy causes cancer...look around. Feel free to share your ideas. In true Native fashion, I will offer one first: The White Pine tea. "Algonquin" means: "bark-eater". The Whitepine needles have a high concentration of vitamin C. There is a cambium layer of B vitamins under the bark. In the winter, we make tea from the needles and twigs, and peel the bigger branches, to be scraped and dried for vitamin bread. Anishinaabe

 

Ok, thank you.  Will contact you privately with further information.

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