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“Christian Palestinianism” & Emergents Lynn Hybels And Jim Wallis Come To Multnomah University For “Justice” Conference


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"And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great:  and thou shalt be a blessing:  3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:  and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." ~ Genesis 12:2-3

"And the scripture, forseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying IN THEE SHALL ALL NATIONS BE BLESSED." ~ Galatians 3:8

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Just because someone has differing political views regarding Israel and the Middle East doesn't mean they are anti-Semitic. Don't forget, the Arabs are a Semitic people too.

 

There have been what many would consider to be war crimes and atrocities committed by Jews and Arabs alike. Do we really expect anything different from lost folks?

 

If God has determined the Jews be where they are in that land now, then whether anyone supports or doesn't support them doesn't matter on that count.

 

One might ask why so many Christians are content that Israel is such a tiny nation, making up only a small fraction of what God promised the Jews in Scripture. If it's believed the Jews are to have the land God promised them in Scripture and Christians are to support that, then why aren't they doing everything in their power to see such happen?

 

All the nations of the Middle East are governed by the ungodly and close to 100% of the populations of those nations are ungodly. Why should we expect these people to accept what the Bible says about anything?

 

It is God who establishes kings and kingdoms and God who removes them. It is also God who will judge the nations.

 

We should be far more concerned with the state of the eternal souls of the Jews and Arabs than we are with the borders of their nations or their internal policies.

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John, I am talking about confessing Bible Believing Christians on Facebook.  I am horrified at those who believe in "Replacement Theology" as it is an un-Biblical doctrine.  Please read the scriptures I posted above regarding Israel.  I have always supported the Jews, even before I was saved.  Thankfully, God has always blessed me b/c of that.

If one doesn't support Israel, you may as well give up many things you use in your home, as they have been invented in Israel.  Just sayin'...

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The Bible makes it clear that the Jews, in general, will remain lost until Christ returns, when they will see Him whom they have pierced. and turn to Him, mourning for His as they mourn for a son. Then a remnant will be saved.

Mat 23:32-39
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes:and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Pretty clear, isn't it, uke?

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John, I am talking about confessing Bible Believing Christians on Facebook.  I am horrified at those who believe in "Replacement Theology" as it is an un-Biblical doctrine.  Please read the scriptures I posted above regarding Israel.  I have always supported the Jews, even before I was saved.  Thankfully, God has always blessed me b/c of that.

If one doesn't support Israel, you may as well give up many things you use in your home, as they have been invented in Israel.  Just sayin'...

If you think those "confessing Bible Believing Christians" on Facebook who believe and teach Replacement theology are bad, check out the forum called CARM....I have never seen so much anti-Israel, anti-semitic and "the church is Israel" garbage as I see and read on that forum.

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If you think those "confessing Bible Believing Christians" on Facebook who believe and teach Replacement theology are bad, check out the forum called CARM....I have never seen so much anti-Israel, anti-semitic and "the church is Israel" garbage as I see and read on that forum.

 

I have seen it, Linda.  It is horrid!  As for Facebook?  I haven't been posting on there like I did at one time.  It is mainly b/c of Jew haters that confess to be Christians.  It pains me to know that my brothers and sisters in Christ do not support Israel.  Especially IFB's.  It doesn't surprise me, though, as all nations will be against Israel during the Great Tribulation.  I just expect more from Bible Believing Christians.  *sigh*  

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I've not noticed any Jew haters on OB but I was speaking of American Christians in general, not any group in particular whether on Facebook or elsewhere and my previous post was mostly with regards to those Christians who claim to support Israel.

 

If someone claimed to support America but accepted that Americans could only call Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana, their country, would we consider them to truly be supporting America? That's what most American Christians do who claim to support Israel and claim the land is theirs. The fact is, if one goes by Scripture, the current nation of Israel only covers a very tiny slice of what God said He was giving them.

 

Scripture doesn't say one must support Israel, it says those who bless the Jews will be blessed and those who curse the Jews will be cursed. Blessing Jews doesn't mean giving blanket support to anything Israel says or does. If one were cursed for not supporting everything regarding Israel then how do we account for the multitude of American Jews who are very liberal and have opposed much regarding Israel for decades and yet they are among the wealthiest and most politically powerful in America still?

 

Praying for the salvation of Jews is blessing them. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem is blessing Jews. Spreading the Gospel to Jews is blessing them.

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I've not noticed any Jew haters on OB but I was speaking of American Christians in general, not any group in particular whether on Facebook or elsewhere and my previous post was mostly with regards to those Christians who claim to support Israel.

 

If someone claimed to support America but accepted that Americans could only call Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana, their country, would we consider them to truly be supporting America? That's what most American Christians do who claim to support Israel and claim the land is theirs. The fact is, if one goes by Scripture, the current nation of Israel only covers a very tiny slice of what God said He was giving them.

 

Scripture doesn't say one must support Israel, it says those who bless the Jews will be blessed and those who curse the Jews will be cursed. Blessing Jews doesn't mean giving blanket support to anything Israel says or does. If one were cursed for not supporting everything regarding Israel then how do we account for the multitude of American Jews who are very liberal and have opposed much regarding Israel for decades and yet they are among the wealthiest and most politically powerful in America still?

 

Praying for the salvation of Jews is blessing them. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem is blessing Jews. Spreading the Gospel to Jews is blessing them.

 

Covenanter and Invicta are Jew haters, John.  I mentioned Facebook, b/c Convenanter asked me to "friend" him on Facebook.  I did.  However, I un-friended him b/c he believes in "Replacement Theology" where he believes God is done with the Jews.  That is NOT what the word of God says, at all.

 

God's word is clear in Genesis 12:2-3.  I choose to support Israel.  I also give them the gospel, as well.  I have witnessed several Jews come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ on Facebook.  Liberal American Jews are small in numbers, John.  Some Jews hear the word "Democracy" and say to themselves... "Democracy is a great thing."  Therefore they are Democrats.  IFB's seem to forget that Jews are blind to the gospel.  And, non-Jews way outnumber the small percentage of Jews who are socialist leaning Democrats in their political beliefs.  If you are speaking of George Soros and Henry Kissenger, they are globalists, not Jews.  Soros has denounced Judaism and he is an enemy to the Jews.  He was a Nazi in Hitler's Germany.  And the Jews know it.  These two men are poor examples of Jews, John.  Besides, the globalists are not just Jews.  There is a plethora of non-Jews who are elitists.  

Amen to your last sentence.  It is a commandment, not an option, to preach the gospel to every creature on earth, and this includes the Jews, as well.   

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My entire immediate (first & second cousins) family are Liberal American Jews...except for my sister in law who is a native born Israeli (sabra). She is just as liberal as the rest of the family.  These folks are very difficult to witness to:

 

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

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Boy, Israel is quite the hot mess today, isn't she? I pray for them, desire their salvation, and even applaud some of the things they do, like their restraint in how they have dealt with daily bombings from Palestine and declarations by other nations that they will be wiped off the map. Boy, America would have levelled those nations by now if it were US having missled lobbed into the country daily!

 

However, Israel is clearly a secular nation, that only holds to even parts of the laws of Moses because they are a traditional part of the culture, not because they believe it. But we do, and muct, pray for them, and we must seek their best, and we know one day the Lord wil redeem a remnant, but only after a mess has been made. 

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I feel for you, Linda.  Liberal Jews are indeed very difficult to witness to.  My family is Irish and German, and they are liberals through and through.  I am the only one that is a conservative.  I have so much trouble witnessing to Roman Catholics and fall away relatives of the RCC.  

I believe I have so much passion for the Jews, b/c I am a Jew by blood.  I would have to confirm that with a DNA test, though.  My great, great grandparents were from Baden Baden (Black Forest) of Germany.  They left Germany for the USA because of the Russian Pograms.  Several years ago, my mom wanted to know the geneology on her mom's side of the family.  We went to the Mormon church b/c they have a very sophisticated geneology site.  We traced my mom's great grandparents back to Baden Baden.  There names were Saul and Elisabeth Siebert.  They inserted the "i" b/c of persecution.  Anyway, my great grandmother married an Irish Roman Catholic man, so my mom's family were Roman Catholic as well as my dad's family.  I did a follow up on Ancestry.com and found the same results.  

My mom told me that I was climbing on the pew, as a very young girl, in the RCC when the Reform Jews came to my RCC church to do the Seder Meal.  I don't remember.  It was also the Seder Meal that helped lead me to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, in my IFB church in April of 2003.  An Orthodox Jewish man, who was saved in the IFB church, conducted the meal and did a thorough history of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.  He went home to be with the Lord a few years later.  I was saved when an evangelist told of the persecution the early church suffered under the Roman Empire and the RCC.  Then, he taught Baptist history.  I was saved May 10th, Mother's Day weekend of 2003 in the hospital.  

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My grandparents (paternal and maternal) were Orthodox Jews who immigrated from Russia during the era  of "Fiddler on the Roof" (late 1800s/early 1900s) .... during the time of the pogroms in Russia.  However, my parents raised us in Reform Judaism (very liberal), much to the dismay of my grandparents.  We lived in University Heights, Ohio....right down the street from the Jesuit seminary of John Carroll University.  There was also a RC Parochial school across the street from John Carroll...Jesu Catholic School, but I don't think it's there anymore.

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That is so cool, Linda.  I can imagine that your grandparents were dismayed with your parents.  University Heights is very beautiful.  There is so much culture on the east side of Cleveland, OH.  I was going to go to the east side to witness to the Jews, the day the huge snow storm hit.  There is a section in Beachwood, OH called "Little Jerusalem" which is a highly Orthodox area of Cleveland.  Are you familiar with "Squirrel Hill" is Pittsburgh, OH?  IFB friends of mine are also Jews by birth.  We went there during the Jewish feast of Hanukkah in 2013.  We became very familiar with the area, and will go back to witness to the Jews there on our next visit to PA.  

I have been to the Jesuit seminary when I was in the 8th grade.  They do Roman Catholic retreats there all the time.  It is guarded with RCC hired policemen.  Sadly, since I got saved, my sister has become a very religious Roman Catholic.  She attends RCC classes at John Carroll University.  I am happy to say that my mom had figured out the evil ways of the Jesuits a long time ago.  

P.S. ~  I should say that my 23 year old son is a conservative.  He would have voted for Ron Paul in the last election if he stood a chance to win.   

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I'm not familiar with "Squirrel Hill" in Pittsburgh.  We were members of a liberal Reform Jewish temple, Temple Emanuel.  My mother took my grandmother (her mother) just one time to Friday night Sabbath services and she (my grandma) made such a fuss about them lighting the Sabbath candles after sundown that my mother never took her there again...LOL.  The HS I attended (Cleveland Heights High) was 85-90% Jewish and I think the rest of the students were Roman Catholics.  The school basically "emptied out" on Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur.

 

It wasn't until after I got married and moved to Colorado that I got saved through the witness of my born again Gentile Christian neighbor lady.  It will be 40 years on March 1st since I trusted Christ as my Lord and Savior. 

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Simply because one believes in Replacement Theology doesn't mean they are a Jew hater. I do know that some are, but also that many are not.

 

One doesn't have to accept or support everything an Israeli official says or does in order to bless Jews any more than one has to support everything Obama says or does in order to bless Americans.

 

Like all nations, Israel has a godless, corrupt government. Sometimes they make some good decisions, oftentimes they don't.

 

So long as they don't try to drag America into it, I don't care what the Israeli government decides to do; that's between them and their citizens. If Israel wants to launch a program to eliminate and drive away every Arab from the West Bank and Gaza, if they do so without involving America, that's their business. The same if they decide to toss open their borders to those on the West Bank and in Gaza. Israel should do what they think best for their own selves and do so of their own accord.

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