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“Christian Palestinianism” & Emergents Lynn Hybels And Jim Wallis Come To Multnomah University For “Justice” Conference


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On February 21st and 22nd, Multnomah University (formerly called Multnomah School of the Bible) in Portland, Oregon, once considered a biblically-based evangelical school, will be hosting the simulcast Justice Conference with speakers Lynn Hybels and Jim Wallis (both emergent leaders who are part of the “Christian Palestinian” movement). Other emergents such as N.T. Wright will […]

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It should shame those who claim to be IFBs who leave calls for justice for the oppressed & disposessed people of Palestine to those theology we question.

 

I like the opening slide from Wilkinson's lecture - Jesus certainly did focus God's eternal purposes for Israel on himslef:

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken :

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The question is, "Is 'Israel' the Zionist nation that occupies & controls the land promised to Abraham; the nation that continues to reject Jesus the Messiah, and denies justice to the people it has displaced, OR is Israel the believing people of God who by faith are children of Abraham?"

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou , Ye shall be made free?

 

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you , Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

 

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

 

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free , ye shall be free indeed.

 

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

 

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

 

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

 

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

 

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

 

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

 

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

 

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

I am aware that the historic churches in Palestine are traditional & ritualistic rather than evangelical, that is no reason for denying them justice from their oppressors.

Gen. 18:17 And the LORD said , Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do ;

 

18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

 

19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

When was that promise to Abraham rescinded? It is fulfilled in Jesus, NOT a godless nation.

 

 

 

 

Jer. 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

 

 

 

 

 

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5 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper , and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

 

6 In his days Judah shall be saved , and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called , THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

 

7 Therefore, behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that they shall no more say , The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

 

8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

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This indicates the sort of injustice we should be concerned about.

 

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mat. 9:13

 
Australia's ABC station aired a televised report on Palestinian children detained by the Israeli army, angering Israel. The report said children are treated with brutality when they are arrested from the streets or abducted from their parents' homes.

 

 

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WOW is right!  The Jews are God's chosen people.  They believe in life, not death.  Palestinians are used as pawns by Arab nations.  They are a lost people.  The Jews are not.  The land of Israel was given to them by God Almighty.  The Jews hold the deed to the Holy Land of Israel.  Also, when was the last time you saw a Jew strap a bomb on a woman and child for suicide bombing?  Try, NEVER.  The IDF is the most moral army in the world.  I am shocked that a Bible Believing Christian doesn't support Israel.  I suppose you believe in "Replacement Theology" which is an abomination to God.

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WOW is right!  The Jews are God's chosen people.  They believe in life, not death.  Palestinians are used as pawns by Arab nations.  They are a lost people.  The Jews are not.  The land of Israel was given to them by God Almighty.  The Jews hold the deed to the Holy Land of Israel.  Also, when was the last time you saw a Jew strap a bomb on a woman and child for suicide bombing?  Try, NEVER.  The IDF is the most moral army in the world.  I am shocked that a Bible Believing Christian doesn't support Israel.  I suppose you believe in "Replacement Theology" which is an abomination to God.

 

The Jews certainly are lost if they have not repented and trusted in Christ.  Ac 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

A few weeks ago, I heard of a Hebrew Christian Church in Israel where the pastor is an arab.  A friend of the daughter of the pastor was killed in a suicde attack.  (The friend was American)  The pastor took the funeral service and because it was of an American girl, it made the news.  This shocked many Jews because the press tell them that there is no such thing as a Jewish Christian, and for such a church to actually have an Arab pastor, Well!

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God's will shall be done in the Middle East as in the rest of the planet. Those people should work out their own problems in their own way and the rest of the world should let them. Had this been done long ago we wouldn't have the current mess now.

 

Don't forget it was the communist USSR and some of her communist allies which saved the Jews and the new nation of Israel when they were at their weakest at their beginning. Then it was socialist France that stepped up supported the Jews and kept Israel alive.

 

It wasn't until the USSR determined it was more in their long-term interests to support the Arabs and they stopped helping Israel that the United States stepped in to "help" Israel as their means of having a foothold in that area during the Cold War.

 

It's also important to remember that since the United States became Israel's "friend", America has tied countless strings upon them as conditions for American help. At the same time, when Israel was in position to strike decisive victories America pulled the rug out from under them.

 

Since that time America has continually dictated to Israel and put pressure on Israel to do things their way. America claims the right to tell Israel where her borders should be, where her capital city should be, what the fate of Jerusalem will be and how most other internal and external matters facing Israel are to be dealt with.

 

American friendship has come at a high price for Israel.

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The Bible makes it clear that the Jews, in general, will remain lost until Christ returns, when they will see Him whom they have pierced. and turn to Him, mourning for His as they mourn for a son. Then a remnant will be saved.

You know Mike, your current avatar is FAR MORE disturbing than the caffeinated Hulk --- maybe it's the scary visual image of you in a grass skirt!

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The Jews certainly are lost if they have not repented and trusted in Christ.  Ac 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

A few weeks ago, I heard of a Hebrew Christian Church in Israel where the pastor is an arab.  A friend of the daughter of the pastor was killed in a suicde attack.  (The friend was American)  The pastor took the funeral service and because it was of an American girl, it made the news.  This shocked many Jews because the press tell them that there is no such thing as a Jewish Christian, and for such a church to actually have an Arab pastor, Well!

 

When I said the Palestinians are "lost people", I mean that no other country wants them.  The Jews have a country and it is Israel.  The Palestinians don't have a country.

It doesn't surprise me that there are so many antisemitic Christians and IFB's on Facebook.  It is sad that Christians and IFB's don't support Israel.  However, I do.  Am Yisrael Chai!

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Now, first of all, to be DIS-POSSESSED, you have to have POSSESSED something. I don't see where God ever gave the land of Israel to the "Palestinians".

 

Secondly, if you understand what "Palestinian" even means, ITS A JEW. Palestine is Latin for Philistine. It was the name that ROME gave Jews after they chased them out of the land between AD 70-AD 120. Much like Rome has always placed labels on their adversaries, they renamed Israel "Palestine" to ridicule the Jews. Palestine has NEVER been associated with any Arabic people.

 

Thirdly, it is the PLO (now PA, Palestinian Authority) under Arafat that had demanded that "Palestinians" remain in the land for the sole purpose of playing "oppressed". They would feign oppression and start fights and then blame Israel for attacking them. From 1981-2005, Israel voluntarily left THOUSANDS of their homes out of Gaza, became homeless, and yet the world continue to claim that Jews were oppressing Palestinians in Gaza. My brother in laws wife and his daughter were both killed in Gaza delivering food to homeless 'Palestinians' because Israel oppresses them so much and because Israel is a "godless nation".

 

By the way, name me ONE, just ONE, GODLY nation?

 

Fourthly, if the physical promises of Abraham were fulfilled in the church, then why are Christians being disobedient and refusing to occupy the land? I mean, if Ezekiel 37:12 is about the church, then why hasn't the church moved to Israel?

 

"Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" Ezekiel 37:22

 

I mean come Calvinists, if you are going to take Ezekiel 36, God giving them a heart of flesh, and apply it to the church, then why parse the other prophecies that deal specifically with LAND OCCUPATION?

 

"And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all". Ezekiel 37:22

 

Now don't tell me Ez 37:22 was fulfilled in the church, or fulfilled at anytime before Christs birth, death and resurrection or anytime before, during or after AD 70. Israel was NEVER a united nation from the time Ezekiel made that prophecy, and has not been ever since. The fact the Paul alludes to this in the New Testament is even further proof:

 

"For if Jesus had given them rest, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD have spoken of another day, There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God". Hebrews 4:7-8

 

"For finding fault with them he sayeth, Behold the days come saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND the HOUSE OF JUDAH". Hebrews 8:8

 

And in Hebrews 8:8, Paul is quoting an OT prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31. If this prophecy had already been fulfilled, then why is Paul quoting it in the NT as a FUTURE event?

 

There are NUMEROUS prophecies in the OT (and in Romans 9-11) that are clear that Israel will yet be the center of attention IN THE FUTURE and those prophecies deal specifically with LAND,

 

"Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth" Isaiah 43:5-6

 

"..the LORD liveth that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them, and I will bring them again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers" Jeremiah 16:15-16

 

"And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall NO MORE BE PULLED UP OUT OF THEIR LAND which I have given them saith the LORD thy God" Amos 9:15

 

Not only has THIS prophecy been fulfilled in Israel, but it has been fulfilled in the EXACT ORDER that Isaiah lists them: East: Jews returned from Iraq, Syria and Jordon from 1930-1940, West, Europe after WW2, North: From Russia in 1988, and South from Ethiopia under Operation Solomon in 1991.

 

Just as Paul said, God has NOT cast away His people which he foreknew. Romans 11:1-2. This can not possibly apply to the church, as Replacement and Covenant Theology likes to espouse, for how could "the elect", if this were the church, even been cast off in the first place? Malachi also stated, "For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore YE SONS OF JACOB ARE NOT CONSUMED" Mal 3:6

 

I have already before laid out the case for the difference between the spiritual promises in Abraham and the physical promises that can only be fulfilled by Israel that went through the line of Ephraim, which anybody interested can read here

 

And one final nail in the coffin against Covenant and Replacement Theology is the population of the millennial kingdom. After the tribulation-and for arguments sake it doesn't matter if one believes it is pre, mid, or post for this argument-the church is removed before the kingdom of heaven is established ON EARTH (Luke 1:31-33, Ezek 44:1-3, Matthew 19:28). Isaiah chapter 65 shows that the kingdom will be full of those who procreate and "replenish the earth". Since those who are part of the first resurrection DO NOT PROCREATE (Matt 22:30), then the church can not be part of those that populate the millennial kingdom. And, the millennial kingdom is clear that there will be JEWS present there who will the controlling "empire" of the earth, with the church as the Bride of Christ as the enforcers of the law:

 

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you." Zech 8:23

 

"For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish" Isaiah 60:12

 

The nations during the kingdom travel to JERUSALEM to worship, just as nations did in the OT:

 

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain." Zech 14:16-17

 

And don't tell me this has been fulfilled at anytime in history, because during this time, in v.7 of Zechariah 14, THERE IS NO NIGHT

 

Now, has Israel been rebellious? Of course they have, no more than any other nation. But God made it clear a long time ago that he would bring a remnant OF ISRAEL through the fire (Zechariah 13:9), and that He would NEVER cast of Israel REGARDLESS of what they've done:

 

"Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord." Jeremiah 31:37

 

The motivation of this anti-semetic non-sense is shown in the following verses:

 

" Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? [SOUND FAMILIAR?] thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them." Jeremiah 33:24

 

Covenant and Replacement Theology is an evil anti-Semitic HERESY that not only deprives that Bible believer of hope in a future rapture, it also causes others to ignore the signs of the end times since most of their theologians teach that virtually all prophecy has been fulfilled (Preterism). It breeds hatred for naturally born Jews, and because of the gross allegorical interpretations applied, also interferes with a proper understanding of soteriology (Calvinism/Reformed Theology).

 

We also give "Palestinians" FAR MORE civil rights then they would EVER get in ANY of the other Arab countries. Every once in a while some idiot in the IDF may do something insane (no more insane than Americans raping prisoners in Iraq, or England arresting preachers [Tony Miano] for preaching against homosexuality or jailing people for protesting Muslims cutting off people's heads), and the left wing radicals take that one case and parade it as an example of every day life in Israel. These same outlets receive funding from China and Russia and Iranian oil and are SPEECHLESS about the atrocities they commit on their own people.

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Dr James, I am currently studying through Romans and in the ch 9 - ch 11 right now.

Paul is pretty clear in the way he contrasts Israel as God's people with Christians God's people.
He set Israel aside but will graft the nation back in before He is done.

So clear is Paul, I can not see how anyone could possibly twist his words to apply that which is regarding Israel to the Christians.
But somehow they do.....?

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