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I Thought Catholics Didn't Pray To Mary...


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I think, regardless of their reasoning, the ultimate reason is that they believe themselves unworthy to go to God directly, (or through Christ), so they need to ask someone else who has heavenly influence, so to speak. And of course, since I would say 99% of them are unsaved, they are, indeed, unworthy, save to go to Jesus for salvation, which of course would then make them children of God and able to come boldly to the throne of grace. I mean, they are taught they must basically work their own salvation, and even that must be done through the priesthood-even forgiveness must come through a priest-how can they then go directly to the Father?

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I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

 Acts 1:14   These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

 

They catholic see it this way, without the loving mother, He could not have been brought into this World. The Catholic also needed a woman in the role model to satisfied the World, the spiritual hunger for a woman saint.

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 Acts 1:14   These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

 

They catholic see it this way, without the loving mother, He could not have been brought into this World. The Catholic also needed a woman in the role model to satisfied the World, the spiritual hunger for a woman saint.

 

Terrible exegesis, interpretation, reasoning, and theology from this passage; but I suppose that's one of the major problems within Catholicism in general. They let tradition and desire trump the Bible and it all spun out of control. Unfortunately it all makes them a hard sell with the Gospel because their church has put so many barriers and obstacles in the way. Sometimes witnessing to Catholics can be heartbreaking really.

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The RCC's Mary is not just a saint.  The veneration of Mary is the merely the latest manifestation of the worship of Semiramis and the child in her arms is the latest Tammuz her husband who died a horrible death and who she then bore as a child.  It gets very complicated and is a long and twisted history.  This goddess has had many different names in many different cultures.  The simples read on it can be gotten from Chick Publications.  Another interesting book is The Two Babylons by Alexander Hyslop which is available on the internet for free on some sites.

 

The RCC gives their faithful who are uneducated in the true history of their organization different stories of course.  But a mother goddess is what their Mary is.

 

God bless,

Larry

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I have asked about this passage and got an amazing response:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

"Of course there is only one mediator, but Mary is a mediatrix (female mediator), not a mediator".

How can they......
Why would they......
That doesn't even.....


Oh I give up...

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When dealing with catholics, we must remember that all their theology about MAry is based, with little exception, on official "church" dogma, not Bible. They might try to squeeze some Bible into it, but for the most part, they have no need to, as they believe the mother church is the true and only path to salvation-thus, what they say is truth, just because they say it-they need no further strength to their teaching than this: We say it, thus, it MUST be true. There is no need for it to make sense, to agree with scripture, nothing-just "Papa says so".

 

Thus, they declare Mary immaculatley conveived, thus without original sin, a perpetual virgin, and co-mediatrix with Christ, they need no further proof-the church said so, it is true. Only the Spirit of God can make headway, if they will listen to Him.

 

I know a Catholic(ish) lady who believes that some grapes which have been soaked in brandy and blessed, will, if she eats one per day, will meet all her nutritional needs, should she need it. Some weird female Catholic writer, forget her name, said so, so she believes it.

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I have asked about this passage and got an amazing response:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

"Of course there is only one mediator, but Mary is a mediatrix (female mediator), not a mediator".

How can they......
Why would they......
That doesn't even.....


Oh I give up...


Someone did not give up on me, think about those that believe there is no God instead. For they have no hope or faith.
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Someone did not give up on me, think about those that believe there is no God instead. For they have no hope or faith.


Turn of phrase - I'm not giving up on them, just on trying to understand how it makes sense. ;)
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As a former Roman Catholic, they are my biggest burden.  The RCC is so deceitful.  I do know a few Roman Catholics that are saved, but they got saved outside of the RCC.  They would be your 1% Ukelelemike.  They stay in this religion based on works, b/c they are afraid to leave as family keeps them trapped.  My sister and a first cousin are still trying to get me to come back to the RCC, as they believe it is the "Mother Church."  Wishful thinking on their part.  LOL  The RCC is pure brainwashing.  I had the whole Mass memorized when I was in the second grade.  I actually, left the RCC in my mind when I was in 2nd grade.  Thankfully, by high school, I had convinced my parents not to send me to anymore CCD classes, now PSR - Parish School Religion.  I could never see the point in going to the RCC, as there was no hope.  Praying to the dead, praying to the saints, and all the other nonsense made no sense to me.  Thankfully, I never got the whole thing with the eucharist, by eating Jesus' boady and drinking his blood.  Of course we know that is cannibalism.  I believe that God had blinded me to that.  Later, my mom told me that my grandmother (her mom) had suggested I go to nursery school when I was 3.  My two older brothers never went, but my grandmother suggested this to my mom, b/c I was such an active child and she said I needed schooling.  Anyway, it was a Northern Baptist nursery school, which we know has folded.  I believe that is where my mustered seed was planted.  I tell the Roman Catholics about this verse in Luke.  However, it goes right over their heads.

"And Mary said, My soul doth magnify (praise) the Lord.  And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." ~ Luke 46:47

I had my hair done yesterday.  The man that does my hair is a homosexual with many medical problems.  I witness to him ever month when I go.  He told me that many fall away Catholics are going back to the RCC.  They love this new pope.  Francis is such a socialist and has told the world, to make peace with Radical Islam.  *sigh*  He has also said that Atheists will go to heaven along with homosexuals.  Of course, Roman Catholics will say he has been misquoted.  I can give them something, from the Vatican, that he actually said, and they defend him tooth and nail.  It is so sad.   :(

 

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Of course, Roman Catholics will say he has been misquoted. I can give them something, from the Vatican, that he actually said, and they defend him tooth and nail. It is so sad. :(

True, and while sad, there are IFB's that will defend certain preachers tooth and nail despite their own going out of the way and worldly promotions and commercial ways they build their churches.

 

Again, with the RCC, as you know, there doesn't have to be any rhyme nor reason: the Mother church said it, that settles it. It stands above the Bible itself.

 

David said, "Thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name", and the RCC says, "We have magnified the Mother above all His word". How does one argue with such a position?

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True, and while sad, there are IFB's that will defend certain preachers tooth and nail despite their own going out of the way and worldly promotions and commercial ways they build their churches.

 

Again, with the RCC, as you know, there doesn't have to be any rhyme nor reason: the Mother church said it, that settles it. It stands above the Bible itself.

 

David said, "Thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name", and the RCC says, "We have magnified the Mother above all His word". How does one argue with such a position?

 

Yes.  And, that is so true about IFB's, Ukelelemike.  Sometimes, people start worshiping a man rather that focusing on what the Word of God says.

It is pointless to argue with Roman Catholics.  They believe in the "Mother Church" and also believe that IFB's are Protestants.  I am not getting into "vain babblings" anymore with them.  I just give them God's Word and pray that the Lord removes the blinders, that Satan has put over their eyes, and the Holy Spirit convicts their hearts.  You can't force the Holy Spirit.

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Daniel, what is Isis?


One of the Egyptian gods - I think.
But he is referring to the "mother-son" god duo that has been known by different names since the time of Nimrod (Gen 10 or thereabouts).
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As a former Roman Catholic, they are my biggest burden.  The RCC is so deceitful.  I do know a few Roman Catholics that are saved, but they got saved outside of the RCC.  They would be your 1% Ukelelemike.  They stay in this religion based on works, b/c they are afraid to leave as family keeps them trapped. 

 

Me too sort of.  Anyhow, we have friends like this too, they are more afraid of man (father-in-law) than God.  We've seen the Holy Spirit's work in their life when they submit and allow Him to work but sadly, most of the time they are not doing things the bible's way and their growth is stunted.

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