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And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia. Ezra 6:14
1. The Commandment of Cyrus
2. The Commandment of Darius
3. The Commandment of Artaxerxes
As well as the Commandment of God
The WALL of Jerusalem was in ruins and it was Artaxerxes that "commanded" that the wall be rebuilt and also provided the funds and materials.
 
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah
the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:25
 
Since the Commandment of Artaxerxes was taken to Jerusalem, there remained no excuse for the
religious leaders of Israel not to know the year of the appearance of Messiah.
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As I have already said, the commandment of Artaxerxes was to build the walls, which Nehemiah did in 52 days.  The people carried out the work on the walls outside their houses, so the city was already built.
 

 

The WALL of Jerusalem was in ruins and it was Artaxerxes that "commanded" that the wall be rebuilt and also provided the funds and materials.

 

  Agreed

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Lets get back to the simplicity of the Word of God:

 

Daniel is given the prophecy:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks - 490 years takes us to the finished saving work of Jesus & the completion of prophecy. 

 

25 Know therefore and understand , that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again , and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off , but not for himself:

That places the anointing - baptism & filling of the Holy Spirit on Jesus as the end of the 69th week. After that we see the crucifixion of Messiah. During & after the remaining, 70th week further events take place. The ministry of Jesus, the new covenant made & proclaimed - & destruction for those who reject their Messiah.

 

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined . 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease , and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate , even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate .

Jesus' Olivet prophecy confirms that destruction he & Gabriel (Daniel) prophesied would take place within a generation.

 

It is true that Jesus pronounced 7 woes on that generation.

 

Matthew 23:36

36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

 

 

But Daniel's was on a future generation by the future Prince that will come from the linage of the Romans that destroyed Jerusalem.

 

Daniel 9:26-27

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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As I have already said, the commandment of Artaxerxes was to build the walls, which Nehemiah did in 52 days.  The people carried out the work on the walls outside their houses, so the city was already built.
 

  Agreed

 

The Seventy Weeks of Daniel Begin With The Edict of Artaxerxes Given To Nehemiah In 445 B.C.

The rebuilding of the city's walls and gates restored Jerusalem as a sovereign self-governing city-state.

 

Sir Isaac Newton calculated the date of the Triumphal Entry, but he made two mistakes: he used a 365.24 day year

and he used the date of the wrong decree (commandment).  Others on this forum make similar mistakes by not reading the details.

Sir Robert Anderson calculated the correct date of the Triumphal Entry in his 1881 book "The Coming Prince" (as I stated before).

The correct decree (commandment) must be used and the 360 day Babylonian year must be used (as well, there is no "0" year). 

 

So, once again, the Jews in Jerusalem under Herod should have known this.

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You have a bit of a problem here for your understanding.
12  And the God that hath caused his name to dwell there destroy all kings and people, that shall put to their hand to alter and to destroy this house of God which is at Jerusalem. I Darius have made a decree; let it be done with speed.
13 ¶  Then Tatnai, governor on this side the river, Shetharboznai, and their companions, according to that which Darius the king had sent, so they did speedily.
14  And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.
15  And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

 

 

The temple was finished in the 6th year of Darius, so why would the command of Artaxerxes Longimanus be relevant as he was over 50 years later?

 

Quite simply because Artaxerxes was a title, not a name, and most Persian kings bore the title including Darius.

 

Herodotus tells us that Xerxes meant warrior, Artaxerxes meant Great Warrior, and Darius meant Merchant.

Josephus tells us that the king who married Esther was named Cyrus, but the Greeks called him Artaxerxes.  As this king could only be Darius, he must have also have had the title Artaxerxes.

Ezra mentions two kings called Artaxerxes.

Here is a list of the Persian kings mentioned by Ezra.

Cyrus,

Ahasuerus  Ezra 4:6  It seems this king did not act on the complaints of the enemies of the Jews

Artaxerxes. Ezra 4:7-24  This king ordered the work on the work to cease, after the complaint that the walls were "set up."  7:12   v24  Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.
Darius  In his 2nd year the work restarted and was completed in his 6th year.

Artaxerxes. Ezra 6:14 - 8:1.  Ezra returned under this king.

All the Persian kings seemed favourable to the Jews.

 

If we put this list against the names of the kings known to us from history we find.

Cyrus - Cyrus

Cambeses - Ahasuerus

The Magi (Psuedo Sermis) - Artaxerxes.  These kings were Median imposters.

Darius - Darius

Xerxes - Artaxerxes.

Artaxerxes - XXXXXXXX

 

Strange, Xerxes is not mentioned in scripture.

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You have a bit of a problem here for your understanding.
12  And the God that hath caused his name to dwell there destroy all kings and people, that shall put to their hand to alter and to destroy this house of God which is at Jerusalem. I Darius have made a decree; let it be done with speed.
13 ¶  Then Tatnai, governor on this side the river, Shetharboznai, and their companions, according to that which Darius the king had sent, so they did speedily.
14  And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.
15  And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

 

 

The temple was finished in the 6th year of Darius, so why would the command of Artaxerxes Longimanus be relevant as he was over 50 years later?

 

Quite simply because Artaxerxes was a title, not a name, and most Persian kings bore the title including Darius.

 

Herodotus tells us that Xerxes meant warrior, Artaxerxes meant Great Warrior, and Darius meant Merchant.

Josephus tells us that the king who married Esther was named Cyrus, but the Greeks called him Artaxerxes.  As this king could only be Darius, he must have also have had the title Artaxerxes.

Ezra mentions two kings called Artaxerxes.

Here is a list of the Persian kings mentioned by Ezra.

Cyrus,

Ahasuerus  Ezra 4:6  It seems this king did not act on the complaints of the enemies of the Jews

Artaxerxes. Ezra 4:7-24  This king ordered the work on the work to cease, after the complaint that the walls were "set up."  7:12   v24  Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.
Darius  In his 2nd year the work restarted and was completed in his 6th year.

Artaxerxes. Ezra 6:14 - 8:1.  Ezra returned under this king.

All the Persian kings seemed favourable to the Jews.

 

If we put this list against the names of the kings known to us from history we find.

Cyrus - Cyrus

Cambeses - Ahasuerus

The Magi (Psuedo Sermis) - Artaxerxes.  These kings were Median imposters.

Darius - Darius

Xerxes - Artaxerxes.

Artaxerxes - XXXXXXXX

 

Strange, Xerxes is not mentioned in scripture.

And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.                 Ezra 6:14
 
God clearly identifies three Kings in this scripture.  Have you not read the scripture?
Cyrus did NOT "build the wall" of Jerusalem, it was Artaxerxes (Longimanus - "long hand") .
 
BTW, you can also use the dates of Tiberius in the N.T. to calculate backward in time.

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And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.                 Ezra 6:14
 
God clearly identifies three Kings in this scripture.  Have you not read the scripture?
Cyrus did NOT "build the wall" of Jerusalem, it was Artaxerxes (Longimanus - "long hand") .
 
BTW, you can also use the dates of Tiberius in the N.T. to calculate backward in time.

 

 

 

Exra 4:1 ¶  Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel;
2  Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither.
3  But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us.
4  Then the people of the land weakened the hands of the people of Judah, and troubled them in building,
5  And hired counsellors against them, to frustrate their purpose, all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.
6 ¶  And in the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, wrote they unto him an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem.
7  And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue.
8  Rehum the chancellor and Shimshai the scribe wrote a letter against Jerusalem to Artaxerxes the king in this sort:
9  Then wrote Rehum the chancellor, and Shimshai the scribe, and the rest of their companions; the Dinaites, the Apharsathchites, the Tarpelites, the Apharsites, the Archevites, the Babylonians, the Susanchites, the Dehavites, and the Elamites,
10  And the rest of the nations whom the great and noble Asnappar brought over, and set in the cities of Samaria, and the rest that are on this side the river, and at such a time.
11  This is the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, even unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men on this side the river, and at such a time.
12  Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

 

The walls were set up at this time.
 

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BTW, you can also use the dates of Tiberius in the N.T. to calculate backward in time.

 

 

 

Of course you can.  That was the beginning of the ministry of John the Baptist just before the baptism of Jesus.  As that was the time the 483 years ran out from the decree of Cyrus, then we know when Cyrus made his decree.

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Of course you can.  That was the beginning of the ministry of John the Baptist just before the baptism of Jesus.  As that was the time the 483 years ran out from the decree of Cyrus, then we know when Cyrus made his decree.

The decree of Cyrus was issued in the same year that Cyrus conquered Babylon, which was 538 BC.

That would place the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy of the coming Messiah at 62 BC.

Perhaps you can elaborate.

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You are relying on the chronology of a pagan astrologer, who said there were 10 Persian kings before Alexander.

 

Scripture, Herodotus and Xenophon give only four after Cyrus.

 

1 ¶  Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2  And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
3  And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
 

Herodotus mentions Artaxerxes only as a co-rex for his father, Xerxes while he was away making war with the Greeks.

 

The mighty king was Alexander.

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You are relying on the chronology of a pagan astrologer, who said there were 10 Persian kings before Alexander.

 

Scripture, Herodotus and Xenophon give only four after Cyrus.

 

1 ¶  Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2  And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
3  And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
 

Herodotus mentions Artaxerxes only as a co-rex for his father, Xerxes while he was away making war with the Greeks.

 

The mighty king was Alexander.

No, I'm relying on current history, not some 2,000 year old "historian".  You still have not shown that Cyrus caused the streets and

walls, and gates of Jerusalem to be rebuilt.  You can't because for Daniels Prophecy to even "come close" to Cyrus, he was long dead.

Maybe Cyrus wrote the decree to rebuild the secure independent city-state of Jerusalem from his grave?

The year of Cyrus conquering Babyon is historically well established at 538 BC.  490 years are "determined on the holy city" - Dan 9:25

 

https://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/c/cyrus_cylinder.aspx

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OK so you don't believe the scripture that said Cyrus would give the decree.

 

Ezra 5:9  Then asked we those elders, and said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?
 

The Jews said it was on the command of Cyrus.  Darius searched for the decree and eventually it was found.  It seems that the Persians were not great archivists or interested in keeping records.  That is why there is not a great deal of agreement on the length of the reigns of Persian kings.  There was not much agreement within a few years of Cyrus as Herodotus said there were several accounts of the childhood of Cyrus and he gave the one that he thought most likely.  Zenophon gives a completely different account.  The also give different accounts of his death.  Herodotus says he died a violet death and Zenophon says he died in bed with his sons at his side.  And they lived not much more that 100 years after Cyrus, Herodotus at the time of Xerxes and Artaxerxes, and Xenophon overlapped him, being born during the lifetime of the former. 

 

As a point of interest I suggest you do a search for the reign of Cyrus, and you will probably find, as I did there are estimates from six year to 31 years

 

Gen. 3:3.   "Yea, hath God said..?"

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Israel will live in the sight of Jesus in the 1000 year kingdom so how long are the two days before it?

 

Hosea 5:14-6:3

14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

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OK so you don't believe the scripture that said Cyrus would give the decree.

 

Ezra 5:9  Then asked we those elders, and said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?
 

The Jews said it was on the command of Cyrus.  Darius searched for the decree and eventually it was found.  It seems that the Persians were not great archivists or interested in keeping records.  That is why there is not a great deal of agreement on the length of the reigns of Persian kings.  There was not much agreement within a few years of Cyrus as Herodotus said there were several accounts of the childhood of Cyrus and he gave the one that he thought most likely.  Zenophon gives a completely different account.  The also give different accounts of his death.  Herodotus says he died a violet death and Zenophon says he died in bed with his sons at his side.  And they lived not much more that 100 years after Cyrus, Herodotus at the time of Xerxes and Artaxerxes, and Xenophon overlapped him, being born during the lifetime of the former. 

 

As a point of interest I suggest you do a search for the reign of Cyrus, and you will probably find, as I did there are estimates from six year to 31 years

 

Gen. 3:3.   "Yea, hath God said..?"

And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.  Ezra 6:14
 
"Yea, hath God said...?"
 
One reason why Artaxerxes I allowed the walls and gates to be completed (and provided WOOD and finances for it)
was because he trusted Nehemiah that Jerusalem and Judea would be strong allys in the region between Babylon
and Egypt.  Egypt had formed an alliance with the Greeks in opposition to the Persian (Babylonian) Empire. 
 
The commandment of Artaxerxes I, given to Nehemiah, fits perfectly with Daniel's prophecy concerning when the
Messiah would present himself as King by riding into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey.... to the very day.
 
PS: this information is disavowed by preterists/replacement theologians as it doesn't "fit" with their 4th Century Catholic Theology.
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And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.  Ezra 6:14
 
"Yea, hath God said...?"
 
One reason why Artaxerxes I allowed the walls and gates to be completed (and provided WOOD and finances for it)
was because he trusted Nehemiah that Jerusalem and Judea would be strong allys in the region between Babylon
and Egypt.  Egypt had formed an alliance with the Greeks in opposition to the Persian (Babylonian) Empire. 
 
The commandment of Artaxerxes I, given to Nehemiah, fits perfectly with Daniel's prophecy concerning when the
Messiah would present himself as King by riding into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey.... to the very day.
 
PS: this information is disavowed by preterists/replacement theologians as it doesn't "fit" with their 4th Century Catholic Theology.

 

As a preterist/replacement theologian I absolutely disavow your alleged disavowal. What you say fits perfectly with Scripture & the commonly accepted dates. There were a series of commands to rebuild the temple & the city. 

25 Know therefore and understand , that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again , and the wall, even in troublous times.

When Babylon was captured, it was by the Medes & Persians, with two kings, Cyrus & Darius. Daniel prayed

In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans .... (around 538)

Zerubbabel & Jeshua led the return ordered by Cyrus, became discouraged but resumed the work 20 years later in the second year of a later Darius, under the prophets Haggai & Zechariah. That concerns the rebuilding of the temple, not the walls.

 

Nehemiah had a further commandment to rebuild the walls, & he organised the ongoing administration of the city. That date we can assume, counting back from the baptism & anointing of Jesus to be around 460 BC.

 

The events are recorded by Ezra & Nehemiah.

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As a preterist/replacement theologian I absolutely disavow your alleged disavowal. What you say fits perfectly with Scripture & the commonly accepted dates. There were a series of commands to rebuild the temple & the city. 

25 Know therefore and understand , that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again , and the wall, even in troublous times.

When Babylon was captured, it was by the Medes & Persians, with two kings, Cyrus & Darius. Daniel prayed

In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans .... (around 538)

Zerubbabel & Jeshua led the return ordered by Cyrus, became discouraged but resumed the work 20 years later in the second year of a later Darius, under the prophets Haggai & Zechariah. That concerns the rebuilding of the temple, not the walls.

 

Nehemiah had a further commandment to rebuild the walls, & he organised the ongoing administration of the city. That date we can assume, counting back from the baptism & anointing of Jesus to be around 460 BC.

 

The events are recorded by Ezra & Nehemiah.

Perhaps you can enlighten us on when Daniel 9:24 was totally/completely fulfilled.

 

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
"Seventy weeks" of years = 490 years
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And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and
Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel,
and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.  Ezra 6:14
 
"Yea, hath God said...?"
 
One reason why Artaxerxes I allowed the walls and gates to be completed (and provided WOOD and finances for it)
was because he trusted Nehemiah that Jerusalem and Judea would be strong allys in the region between Babylon
and Egypt.  Egypt had formed an alliance with the Greeks in opposition to the Persian (Babylonian) Empire. 
 
The commandment of Artaxerxes I, given to Nehemiah, fits perfectly with Daniel's prophecy concerning when the
Messiah would present himself as King by riding into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey.... to the very day.
 
PS: this information is disavowed by preterists/replacement theologians as it doesn't "fit" with their 4th Century Catholic Theology.

 

 

The first commandment was from God.  The publishing of the commandment was by Cyrus,The enemies appealed to Ahaseurus (Cambeses) but he took no action, they then appealed to Artaxerxes (Pseudo Smerdis)  who stopped the work until the 2nd year of Darius who searched the archives on appeal from the Jews and reinstated the original decree of Cyrus. The walls were to be built in 7 weeks, 49 years of troublous times.

 

Let us look at it another way.

 

Nehemiah was one of thge leading Jews who went to Jerusalem with Zerubbabel: Ezra 2:2, which means he was at least 30 years old, but say only 20 to give you the benefit of the doubt. (Mordecai was another so the same thing applies to him.)

 

20 Plus 9 years for the rule of Cyrus.  8 years Cambeses, (Ahaseurus) 1 year Smerdis aka Bardiya (Artaxerxes) 36 years for Darius, 20 for Xerxes (Not mentioned in scripture, except as the 4th king) to the 20th year of Artaxerxes (If he was the king mentioned, which I doubt.)

 

20+9+8+1+36+20+20=114, so Nehemiah must have been at least 114, probably more) when he worked on the walls/  Although this website (Taken at random from the web) makes from Cyrus to the 20th year of Artaxerxes 107 years.

 

Another timeline. 

 

From the command of Cyrus 9, Cambeses, 8, Smerdis 1, Darius (even Artaxerxes) 31 (32nd year)  = 49 of troublous times.
 

 

PS: this information is disavowed by preterists/replacement theologians as it doesn't "fit" with their 4th Century Catholic Theology.

 I am neither preterist or replacement., however you follow the Jesuit futurist theology.

 

That is my last word on the subject.

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The first commandment was from God.  The publishing of the commandment was by Cyrus,The enemies appealed to Ahaseurus (Cambeses) but he took no action, they then appealed to Artaxerxes (Pseudo Smerdis)  who stopped the work until the 2nd year of Darius who searched the archives on appeal from the Jews and reinstated the original decree of Cyrus. The walls were to be built in 7 weeks, 49 years of troublous times.

 

 

 I am neither preterist or replacement., however you follow the Jesuit futurist theology.

 

That is my last word on the subject.

"The original decree of Cyrus".  Shall we read the "original decree of Cyrus"?  [Thus sayeth the Lord]

“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth has Jehovah, the God of heaven, given me;

and he has charged me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whosoever there is among you

of all his people, his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of Jehovah,

the God of Israel he is God, which is in Jerusalem. And whosoever is left, in any place where he sojourns, let the men of his place

help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, besides the freewill-offering for the house of God which is in Jerusalem” (Ezra 1:2-4; cf. also 6:2-5).

 

Clearly, there is no mention of a "wall" in Cyrus' decree.  Nehemiah petitioned Artaxerxes (many decades later) to "build the wall".

 

Catholic doctrine from the very beginning was designed to minimize and "spiritualize" prophetic scripture.  The "Jesuits" were nothing more

than ninjas/assassins for the Pope and had absolutely nothing to do with doctrine.  Obviously, you need to study more on the subject at hand.

The Emperor (at first) and later the Pope wanted all the "faithful" to believe that the "Kingdom of God" was the Catholic Church - and so it goes

to this very day.  Many Protestants (a majority) have adopted this 4th Century Catholic doctrine of "Replacement Theology" as well.

Afterall, how could the "Jews" have a yet unfulfilled prophecy when they have been replaced by "spiritual Israel"?

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