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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Praying In The Holy Spirit

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Yes, tongues ceased in the Book of Acts.  There is scripture in the NT to prove they have ceased.  I have never "prayed in the Holy Spirit" but I know charimatics on Facebook who have.  It is not Biblical.

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Charismatics "apply it today."  I don't know any IFB who "prays to the Holy Spirit."

Praying in tongues was for a sign for those who didn't believe.

"Charity never faileth:  but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." ~ I Corinthians 13:8

"Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:  but prophecing serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." ~ I Corinthians 14:22
 

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I should continue with I Corinthians 13:9-10

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." ~ I Corinthians 13:9-10

 

However, maybe you are not speaking of tongues, Laura.  As I read Dave W's post, and it was not a post about tongues.  All I know is that, Charismatics talk about "praying in the Holy Spirit" and they are talking about praying in tongues.

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Basically, to pray in the Spirit (biblically) is to pray in accordance with the mind of God.  When we have the mind of Christ rather than our own carnal mind, the Holy Spirit will guide our thoughts as we pray. The Holy Spirit will direct our minds to pray for things in accordance with God's will rather than our own selfish-carnal desires.

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I should continue with I Corinthians 13:9-10

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." ~ I Corinthians 13:9-10

 

However, maybe you are not speaking of tongues, Laura.  As I read Dave W's post, and it was not a post about tongues.  All I know is that, Charismatics talk about "praying in the Holy Spirit" and they are talking about praying in tongues.

Yeah...the charismatics refer to praying in the HS as speaking in tongues.  I'm trying to figure out the correct application.

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I did a quick search and found nothing that links the phrase to tongues.
There may be passages where it is worded differently, but these two are not about tongues.

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I did a quick search and found nothing that links the phrase to tongues.
There may be passages where it is worded differently, but these two are not about tongues.

I understand, Dave W.  I liked your response as it is a Biblical one.

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How do you do a quick search?


I am on my phone - I have a Bible program (mysword for android) and it has a simple search function.
In this case, I searched the word "praying". Obviously you get many verses that have nothing to do with praying in the Spirit, but not as many as I expected.
If I was studying it for a message, I would search several phrases and combinations (eg. "pray, Spirit"), find as many passages as I could that were relevant; read the entire chapter where each verse is found to get proper context.
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Ok...I'm wrapping my head around it.  What does it mean when the Spirit groans with words that can't be expressed"?  (Paraphrasing)

Have you ever had a deep need or something very difficult and you went to pray and just didn't know how or what to pray and you find yourself sighing or groaning and you just have to let the Holy Ghost intercede?

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Every search that I do, I end up with scriptures that aren't KJV and also talk about "speaking in tongues."

So, I did a Bible Gateway search for the scripture.  The scripture below the verse you are speaking about answers the question.

 

Romans 8:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

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Have you ever had a deep need or something very difficult and you went to pray and just didn't know how or what to pray and you find yourself sighing or groaning and you just have to let the Holy Ghost intercede?

Yes.  My groans usually lead to crying though.  :-(  So when I'm that deep in despair that is what it means the HS intercedes?  Awesome!

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Well it is often said that "groanings which cannot be uttered" can't be speaking in tongues because these groanings "cannot be uttered".
They are by definition not speaking anything vocally.

But it also is not talking about praying in the Spirit, but the Spirit interceding for us.

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