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Yes, tongues ceased in the Book of Acts.  There is scripture in the NT to prove they have ceased.  I have never "prayed in the Holy Spirit" but I know charimatics on Facebook who have.  It is not Biblical.

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Charismatics "apply it today."  I don't know any IFB who "prays to the Holy Spirit."

Praying in tongues was for a sign for those who didn't believe.

"Charity never faileth:  but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." ~ I Corinthians 13:8

"Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:  but prophecing serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." ~ I Corinthians 14:22
 

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I should continue with I Corinthians 13:9-10

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." ~ I Corinthians 13:9-10

 

However, maybe you are not speaking of tongues, Laura.  As I read Dave W's post, and it was not a post about tongues.  All I know is that, Charismatics talk about "praying in the Holy Spirit" and they are talking about praying in tongues.

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Basically, to pray in the Spirit (biblically) is to pray in accordance with the mind of God.  When we have the mind of Christ rather than our own carnal mind, the Holy Spirit will guide our thoughts as we pray. The Holy Spirit will direct our minds to pray for things in accordance with God's will rather than our own selfish-carnal desires.

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I should continue with I Corinthians 13:9-10

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." ~ I Corinthians 13:9-10

 

However, maybe you are not speaking of tongues, Laura.  As I read Dave W's post, and it was not a post about tongues.  All I know is that, Charismatics talk about "praying in the Holy Spirit" and they are talking about praying in tongues.

Yeah...the charismatics refer to praying in the HS as speaking in tongues.  I'm trying to figure out the correct application.

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I did a quick search and found nothing that links the phrase to tongues.
There may be passages where it is worded differently, but these two are not about tongues.

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I did a quick search and found nothing that links the phrase to tongues.
There may be passages where it is worded differently, but these two are not about tongues.

I understand, Dave W.  I liked your response as it is a Biblical one.

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How do you do a quick search?


I am on my phone - I have a Bible program (mysword for android) and it has a simple search function.
In this case, I searched the word "praying". Obviously you get many verses that have nothing to do with praying in the Spirit, but not as many as I expected.
If I was studying it for a message, I would search several phrases and combinations (eg. "pray, Spirit"), find as many passages as I could that were relevant; read the entire chapter where each verse is found to get proper context.
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Ok...I'm wrapping my head around it.  What does it mean when the Spirit groans with words that can't be expressed"?  (Paraphrasing)

Have you ever had a deep need or something very difficult and you went to pray and just didn't know how or what to pray and you find yourself sighing or groaning and you just have to let the Holy Ghost intercede?

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Every search that I do, I end up with scriptures that aren't KJV and also talk about "speaking in tongues."

So, I did a Bible Gateway search for the scripture.  The scripture below the verse you are speaking about answers the question.

 

Romans 8:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

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Have you ever had a deep need or something very difficult and you went to pray and just didn't know how or what to pray and you find yourself sighing or groaning and you just have to let the Holy Ghost intercede?

Yes.  My groans usually lead to crying though.  :-(  So when I'm that deep in despair that is what it means the HS intercedes?  Awesome!

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Well it is often said that "groanings which cannot be uttered" can't be speaking in tongues because these groanings "cannot be uttered".
They are by definition not speaking anything vocally.

But it also is not talking about praying in the Spirit, but the Spirit interceding for us.

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