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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?

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Attitude is important.  

 

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

Speak the truth in love.

 

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

 

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

Do not have a critical spirit.

 

Galatians 5:14-15  For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

 

Keep the spirit of unity.

 

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

 

Judge rightly.

 

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

Only God judges accurately.

 

James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.  12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

 

Do not be legalistic.  

 

Colossians 2:20-23  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

 

Do not pass judgment on disputable matters.

 

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

 

Do not judge God's servants.

 

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

 

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

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Is it love not to warn and correct? Of course not!

The fact is, I was speaking the truth in love. But your opposition to that truth caused you to see the correction as not being in a spirit of love.

Galatians 2:11 (KJV)
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Many might say that since Paul withstood Peter he was not doing so out of love... But he was. Love warns. Love corrects.

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If that Christian is teaching contrary to the Word of God and promoting something that God's Word condemns, that Christian should be corrected. Sadly, you did not receive the correction in the other thread.

Sadly, SFIC you were not correcting me but criticizing and making false accusations.  I am going to prove to you my Christianity and character by not getting sucked into that again. 

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Is it love not to warn and correct? Of course not!

The fact is, I was speaking the truth in love. But your opposition to that truth caused you to see the correction as not being in a spirit of love.

Galatians 2:11 (KJV)
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Many might say that since Paul withstood Peter he was not doing so out of love... But he was. Love warns. Love corrects.

Peter was being a hypocrite and trying to gain public approval rather than stand for what he believes.

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The Bible tells us to judge righteous judgment and gives principles by which to live. We do have problems when someone puts extra-biblical requirements on things.  We also have problems when someone takes things personally when not intended as personal.  Arguing is a two-way street and both parties are usually at fault at least in a small way (and I'm speaking even about myself, so please don't anyone think I'm pointing fingers [that should'nt even have to be said on a forum, but, again, too often we take disagreement as personal attack], please).

 

And now I'm going to intervene as a moderator.  This is not going to turn into an argument thread between the two of you.  Either take it private or quit (I mean quit arguing).  SFIC is correct. Love warns and corrects. Laura is correct. Attitude is important.  You both win. 

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For anyone reading this and may have read the thread on alcohol, which is now locked, can honestly say I was promoting alcohol? I said I don't drink nor did I condone getting drunk.  Anyway, this thread is not about alcohol so I will not speak on that anymore. 

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The Bible tells us to judge righteous judgment and gives principles by which to live. We do have problems when someone puts extra-biblical requirements on things.  We also have problems when someone takes things personally when not intended as personal.  Arguing is a two-way street and both parties are usually at fault at least in a small way (and I'm speaking even about myself, so please don't anyone think I'm pointing fingers [that should'nt even have to be said on a forum, but, again, too often we take disagreement as personal attack], please).

 

And now I'm going to intervene as a moderator.  This is not going to turn into an argument thread between the two of you.  Either take it private or quit (I mean quit arguing).  SFIC is correct. Love warns and corrects. Laura is correct. Attitude is important.  You both win. 

My goal is not to win.  I posted this thread for myself so I can be in the right attitude when discussing topics.  I'm sorry but some people do make personal assaults on others on this forum so how do you not take that personally?

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My goal is not to win.  I posted this thread for myself so I can be in the right attitude when discussing topics.  I'm sorry but some people do make personal assaults on others on this forum so how do you not take that personally?

Well, the thing about it is that this looks an awful lot like a public rebuke (and, well, rebuke is biblical...but I think taking it private might resolve things a bit better) to SFIC because of the argument you guys had in the now-locked thread.  You disagreed with him, and then allowed it to become personal. I understand, honestly, how it can be when we believe something strongly and are trying to get our point across but someone disagrees with us.  And SFIC should not have said you were condoning alcohol .  Mayhap stating it something like "it could be construed as" doing such would be less likely to sound like an attack, I don't know. (and post #10 looks pretty much like you're encouraging folks to join the argument  :icon_smile: )

 

As I said, the Bible tells us to judge righteous judgment - and gives us principles by which to live.  Standing on those principles does not make one a legalist nor does it mean one is judging God's servants. However, the way in which we present things is vital, as you pointed out in your OP.  Something that far too many Christians forget about or completely disregard.

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I want to be clear as to my intentions for posting this thread.  It is not because of what happened in one particular thread or between particular people but multiple threads and multiple people I have been involved with and in and some I have not.  In the short time I've been on this forum, several threads had to be locked.  I think we all need this post as a reminder that we are having discussions with other brothers and sisters and we should treat them as such.

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When Should A Christian Correct Another Christian?

 

If it involves members of the local assembly; I believe it should be the Pastor who does the correcting.

 

You don't think that one member can point scripture out to another member?  (and I say that because all too often when one points out scripture it would be because of need for correction)

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You don't think that one member can point scripture out to another member?  (and I say that because all too often when one points out scripture it would be because of need for correction)

Yes I believe two Bible believing Christians can correct using scripture.

 

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 

 

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 

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Yes I believe two Bible believing Christians can correct using scripture.

 

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 

 

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 

I agree with you there. ( I was trying to clarify BroK's comment for my own mind.  I wasn't sure if he meant on individual basis or just as it affects the church as a whole [although I guess both would in the long run]).  I am thankful for friends who love me enough to point out my errors.  Even if it's hard to swallow.   :biggrin:  

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You don't think that one member can point scripture out to another member?  (and I say that because all too often when one points out scripture it would be because of need for correction)

All depends on HOW the scriptures is point out!! I still believe that the Pastor is in the best position to do this.

There are several factors one must consider: How well do you know the individual: How grounded are they in the Word: Are they easy influenced: Are they easy offended: What is their opinion of you?:  Does the Pastor have guidelines in place on how to handle different situations? etc

Pointing out scripture and correcting at the same time can easily cause resentment.

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