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Will Mr. Obama Go Down In History As The Worst

Will Mr. Obama go down as the worst president in modern times?  

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  1. 1. Will Mr. Obama go down as the worst president in modern times?

    • Yes
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    • No
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    • I don't know
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    • He is a great president
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    • Who cares, I surely do not
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Also, unless the economy takes a dive before he leaves office there will be many giving him the credit for ending "the Bush Great Recession" with some even claiming he saved America from another Great Depression.

 

Carter probably doesn't have to worry about losing his status to this guy.

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One word:  Obamacare.

 

One word:  Obamacare.

 

 

Your correct, the big lie will ruin him, "You can keep your insurance," many of those that voted for him lost their insurance, plus their insurance rates went way up.

 

Is President Obama 'too big to jail?'

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I beg to differ with you guys.  History written in the next few years is not really history.  Real history is to be written hundreds or thousands of years after an event has passed.  Obama will be a short paragraph in a short chapter on the short history of a short lived empire called the United States of America.  Obama and all other would be important persons are only tiny blips in the great scheme of things.  It is you and I the so-called little people that lift these people up to be something they are not, "important".  It's to bad that we get so excited that we we lift them up on pedestals of fame or infamy because they have not really earned it.

 

The really important thing is to be written in The Lambs Book of Life not in a history book which will perish in a great book burning one day.

 

God bless,

Larry

Edited by pilgrim1938

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I beg to differ with you guys.  History written in the next few years is not really history.  Real history is to be written hundreds or thousands of years after an event has passed.


I'd disagree. History is subject to revision regardless of the passage of time. Look at the number of books published on ancient Rome.

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The really important thing is to be written in The Lambs Book of Life not in a history book which will perish in a great book burning one day.


I do not disagree about being in the Book, but I do believe that having an understanding of history is important.

(I don't mean to seem like I am needling you, I just wanted to respond to two points. :)) Edited by Arbo

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Having read a lot of and understanding history is why I say what I do.  All history books are subject to revision over time that is a fact.  All history is written by human beings and is subject to their state of mind and points of view at the time of it's writing.  As a matter of fact the reading of history books is also subject to man's whim.  What history books do people choose to read or not read for instance.  One can only understand the flow of history the ups and downs of empires and civilizations and the general causes of such.  One cannot know from history the minutae of events and the absolute truth about the persons involved.

 

One can know for instance that a people or a nation will become great at one time and collapse at another into unimportance - like the great empires in the past and knowing this can extrapolate that this will happen to the American empire.  One can see that great empires tend to become arrogant, self important, filled with hubris, and over extend themselves, leading to their final collapse.  It is inevitable, it always happens.

 

Most certainly one can learn from history, especialy when the history is written in the Holy Bible.  Then we know it is true and not just some vain imaginings of some opinionated historian.

 

God bless,

Larry

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 I never finished highschool and everything I learned of history I learned by first checking books out of libraries and then in better times being able to buy books.  I have always loved history and by the time I was 40 had learned to love the Bible - the Holy Spirit taught me that.  God blessed me in that I did not go to college until I was 50 years old.  I had to take American history as one of the required classes and I aced it but (praise god) I had loved and studied history before I took the class.  What a farce that was.  I am not certain it is a good idea for young people to be taught history in our education system as it is now.  The books used and the teachers involved twist it into something a true student of history would never recognize. 

 

Though I studied history for 20 years before I believed the Bible it would be best if young people learned the Bible first.  An understanding of history, as taught by the Holy Spirit, will enable the student to diferentiate the wheat from the chaff in history books.  If the the people in a history book don't fit God's view of the human condition it ain't true.  If the events  in a history book don't fit God's view of the way things happened it ain't true.

 

Excuse my use of the word ain't . . . . I never finished highschool english. :binkybaby:

 

God bless,

Larry

Edited by pilgrim1938

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I never finished highschool and everything I learned of history I learned by first checking books out of libraries and then in better times being able to buy books.  I have always loved history and by the time I was 40 had learned to love the Bible - the Holy Spirit taught me that.  God blessed me in that I did not go to college until I was 50 years old.  I had to take American history as one of the required classes and I aced it but (praise god) I had loved and studied history before I took the class.  What a farce that was.  I am not certain it is a good idea for young people to be taught history in our education system as it is now.  The books used and the teachers involved twist it into something a true student of history would never recognize. 
 
Though I studied history for 20 years before I believed the Bible it would be best if young people learned the Bible first.  An understanding of history, as taught by the Holy Spirit, will enable the student to diferentiate the wheat from the chaff in history books.  If the the people in a history book don't fit God's view of the human condition it ain't true.  If the events  in a history book don't fit God's view of the way things happened it ain't true.
 
Excuse my use of the word ain't . . . . I never finished highschool english. :binkybaby:
 
God bless,
Larry


'Tis better to be well read than well educated.

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History.......

Is different for you than is it for me.

WW2 for instance looks different - the Aussies actually saved the day you know, not you Yanks! :lol:

Seriously though, Japan's version of WW2 is different to both of ours, as is Russia's version also.

To the original question - bland and bald facts - Nixon got kicked out - assuming OB doesn't, that will forever suggest Nixon was worse because as pilgrim said, people don't tend to look at details.

Won't matter to most about policies.

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Typically, one term presidents are rated as worse than two term presidents even before their actual accomplishments are considered. That in itself will give us at least three modern presidents likely to always be rated lower than Obama; Ford, Carter and Bush I.

 

Meanwhile, as has been pointed out, those who write the history (most often from a bias) will shape the view points of the masses who are generally ignorant about such things. For instance, viewed from the strict, original intent of the Constitution, Lincoln and FDR should be rated as two of the worst presidents, yet both are upheld as great presidents.

 

As Pilgrim pointed out and alluded to, the most important thing is if our names are in the Lambs Book of Life. If Christ returns soon, the current presidents standing will dissolve quickly. If another hundred or more years go on before the return of Christ the likely fall and/or break up of America will greatly impact historical views of the whoever the last several presidents were. By then, it won't matter other than for those interested in writing the history of the fall of America.

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I beg to differ with you guys.  History written in the next few years is not really history.  Real history is to be written hundreds or thousands of years after an event has passed.  Obama will be a short paragraph in a short chapter on the short history of a short lived empire called the United States of America.  Obama and all other would be important persons are only tiny blips in the great scheme of things.  It is you and I the so-called little people that lift these people up to be something they are not, "important".  It's to bad that we get so excited that we we lift them up on pedestals of fame or infamy because they have not really earned it.

 

The really important thing is to be written in The Lambs Book of Life not in a history book which will perish in a great book burning one day.

 

God bless,

Larry

 

Of course, the real importance is the Book of life, but that is not the question under this topic, the question was about worldly history & how Mr. Obama will be viewed.

 

I believe in time to come he will be deemed worst than Mr. Nixon. I believe Obamacare finished him off.

 

And of course with history books you do not have truth, its just the opinion of the man that wrote the book. Plus people that write history are not always trust worthy.

 

And even here in this United States history writers in the north & south disagree s with one another, & democrats & republicans disagree with one another.

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Many Republicans are openly saying now that Obamacare can't be gotten rid of so they aren't even going to try anymore. Instead, they are seeking ways to improve Obamacare. Once people are used to Obamacare and it's made to run more smoothly it will come to be viewed better, just as did Medicaid and medicare.

 

Also, at this time liberals write more history than do conservatives and the schools, public education through colleges, buy their books from liberal publishers. It will be the liberal version of Obama that's taught most and they will be kind to their first black president.

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I disagree to many people are having to pay a much higher price for their health insurance, such as my brother-in-law, $4,800.00 more dollars per year, & that's affecting both democrats & republicans pocketbooks, & people whether democrat or republican do not forget anyone getting in their pocketbooks.

 

And wait a little bit, it will probably jump even higher.

 

So this will not be forgotten.

 

Even democrats congressmen are worried about their reelection that's coming up.

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Medicare and other programs started out with bad press, bad rollouts, but now you couldn't get that voted out no matter who you are.

 

Like all other government programs, once it's begun, we are stuck with it.

 

Even before Obamacare was passed, Republicans were stepping all over one another trying to come up with their own version.

 

There are parts not working well and parts people already love, and both the Dems and Repubs will spend the next several years figuring out a way to make it work in a way they prefer.

 

The liberal history writers will help cover Obama and make his presidency appear better than it was. Already much of the blame for the problems with Obamacare are being laid upon Republicans on the House. This is what will end up in history books.

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It wasn't because of character that Nixon resigned, it was because more than enough Republicans were going to join with the Democrats to kick him out of office.

 

Clinton had the Democrats standing up for him so he knew he could weather the storm.

 

We would probably be very hard pressed to find any president in our lifetimes who did not commit crimes. The government is continually involved in very shady, including criminal, things and presidents know at least some, if not most of it.

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CNN, Gallup: Support for Obamacare Plunges to Record Lows
 
“Democratic senators in red and purple states are going to have a tough time defending their vote for a health-care law that wasn’t ready for prime time,” writes National Review columnist Matt Kibbe, referring to the law’s embarrassing rollout that was plagued with persistent technical and public relations issues. 
 
New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, a Democrat, is already the target of a biting television spot linking her to the president and hammering her decision to vote for the law. Persistent reports suggest that former Sen. Scott Brown is preparing a challenge based in part over her weakness on Obamacare.
 
Meanwhile, a new CNN/ORC survey finds that support for the healthcare law has plummeted to a record low, with most Americans predicting skyrocketing costs for medical care, and a third don’t believe they will be able to keep their doctor.
 
In that poll, CNN reports, support for the law is down five points in less than a month, to just 35 percent of those questioned. Opposition for Obamacare is up four points from November, to 62 percent, according to CNN.
 
How bad is it? “Even Democrats recognize the negative issues associated with the new healthcare law and its implementation,” Gallup states.
 
Most of the newest opposition comes from women, traditionally a core constituency for the president. Sixty percent of women polled do not like the law. 
 

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