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The 144,000 Jewish Evangelists And The Great Harvest Of Souls In The Tribulation


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Could you give precedent for understanding virgin as religious purity rather than sexual purity please?
Why should we not understand the word in its normal useage?

There are references in prophecy to Israel as the virgin, corrupting herself by idolatory.

 

In normal usage, "virgin" refers to girls, not young men. And of course marriage does not defile.

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There are references in prophecy to Israel as the virgin, corrupting herself by idolatory.

In normal usage, "virgin" refers to girls, not young men. And of course marriage does not defile.


Well the overwhelming useage is personal sexual purity; those which speak of the nation clearly do so.
And then there is this:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

If we allow the passage to define the meaning we find the clear indication is sexual purity.
"....not defiled with women; for they are virgins...".

How can you possibly force this to mean religious purity when it so clearly places the context otherwise?

Furthermore, "....these are they which follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth."
Not "which fled from an enemy" - they followed, not fled.

By the way, I am not placing this event into any understanding or position - simply pointing out that your interpretation does not fit easily with what the Bible plainly says.
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Well the overwhelming useage is personal sexual purity; those which speak of the nation clearly do so.
And then there is this:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

If we allow the passage to define the meaning we find the clear indication is sexual purity.
"....not defiled with women; for they are virgins...".

How can you possibly force this to mean religious purity when it so clearly places the context otherwise?

Furthermore, "....these are they which follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth."
Not "which fled from an enemy" - they followed, not fled.

By the way, I am not placing this event into any understanding or position - simply pointing out that your interpretation does not fit easily with what the Bible plainly says.

Hi Dave,

 

I think these virgin men were not defiled Spiritually by Harlot Babylon but were true to God.

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Hi Dave,

I think these virgin men were not defiled Spiritually by Harlot Babylon but were true to God.


You can think that, but the primary meaning of the word virgin in this verse is defined in the verse as not defiled by women.
The fact they follow the Lamb is an additional thought, not a further definition. THAT thought indeed indicates that, but it does not supplant the sexual purity indicated by the first clause.

In other words, both are true, not the second defining the first.
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Rev 14:4b These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Placing this verse IN the Tribulation indicates that they are the "firstfruits"
saved by faith at the beginning of the Tribulation. Many feel that these Jews
will be saved in the manner of Saul/Paul and will go out to fulfill The Great Commission.
Given the examples of Philip's supernatural transportation and the gifts of supernatural linguistics,
it is easy to see how 144,000 could "follow the Lamb" and evangelized every corner of the globe.

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Rev 14:4b These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Placing this verse IN the Tribulation indicates that they are the "firstfruits"
saved by faith at the beginning of the Tribulation. Many feel that these Jews
will be saved in the manner of Saul/Paul and will go out to fulfill The Great Commission.
Given the examples of Philip's supernatural transportation and the gifts of supernatural linguistics,
it is easy to see how 144,000 could "follow the Lamb" and evangelized every corner of the globe.

These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb indicates that these are the first to follow Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, as Lord, Saviour & Redeemer. Obviously the converts from Pentecost & the Apostolic period. Yet future Jewish converts can hardly be described as "firstfruits."

 

Where does Scripture describe them as "evangelists?" Not Revelation, but Acts:

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. 21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.

 

Especially as the normal meaning of words places Revelation in the first C -

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

Note also: 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [2Cr 11:2-3 KJV]
 

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The work begun by "The Twelve" Jewish Apostles, as recorded in Acts, never was completed - they never "reached out" to every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Matthew 24 remains unfulfilled.  That is the purpose of the Tribulation - that Israeli Jews might fulfill the Great Commission by preaching (once again)

the Gospel of the Kingdom.  The last approximate 2,000 years have been a hiatus, a "parenthesis" in prophecy, in order that the Pauline Gospel of Grace be

spread to the Gentiles.  That is why Matthew 24 mentions specifically the "abomination of desolation" spoken by the Prophet Daniel.  Without a third Temple

there cannot be any "abomination" by the antichrist.  Clear evidence indicates that Revelation was written near the end of the first century and is yet future.

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That's a great deal of speculation there. It also contradicts all those who for so many years have proclaimed that as soon as the Gospel is spread to every people, Christ will return.

 

 

 

 

This is when every person on earth will hear the gospel.

 

Revelation 14:6-7

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

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This is when every person on earth will hear the gospel.

 

Revelation 14:6-7

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Angel will be preaching from the heavens over the earth (first heaven) during the Great Tribulation (last 3 1/2 years of JUDGEMENT)

and following the mission of the 144,000 Jews (12,000 from each Tribe of Israel).  The gifts of Supernatural Transportation (Acts 8:39)

and Supernatural Linguistics ("tongues" Acts 2) as well as the gifts of healing and miracles, will be given to the 144,000 evangelists. 

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The work begun by "The Twelve" Jewish Apostles, as recorded in Acts, never was completed - they never "reached out" to every tribe, tongue, and nation.

That work is still progressing until Jesus returns.

 

Matthew 24 remains unfulfilled.  That is the purpose of the Tribulation - that Israeli Jews might fulfill the Great Commission by preaching (once again)

the Gospel of the Kingdom

Can you support that assertion by Scripture? .

 

The last approximate 2,000 years have been a hiatus, a "parenthesis" in prophecy, in order that the Pauline Gospel of Grace be spread to the Gentiles. 

Have you not read the great promise to Abraham, repeated to his son & grandson, & quoted by Paul?

Gen. 12:3 ... and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

22:18 ... in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Gal. 3:Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

 

The last 2000 years have been no "hiatus, a no "parenthesis" in prophecy"  but the outworking of the purposes of God declared to Abraham.

 

That is why Matthew 24 mentions specifically the "abomination of desolation" spoken by the Prophet Daniel.  Without a third Temple there cannot be any "abomination" by the antichrist.  Clear evidence indicates that Revelation was written near the end of the first century and is yet future.

If you read Luke in parallel with Matthew, you will see that the "abomination" sign the warning to flee the doomed city - was:

Luke 21:20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.   

 

The "clear evidence" for a pre-70 date is the first chapter of Rev.

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Anyone ever consider that we might be better off doing what we were called to do first rather than trying to predict what will occur after it's said we won't be here anyway?

 

God telling us of the end is to motivate us to live more fully for Him, to prompt us to spread the Gospel with more urgency, making disciples.

 

God didn't tell us the end is coming so we would spend countless years trying to predict the timing of the end, which He says we can't, and it's not so we can try to come up with details to fill in the blanks that God purposefully left there.

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Anyone ever consider that we might be better off doing what we were called to do first rather than trying to predict what will occur after it's said we won't be here anyway?

 

God telling us of the end is to motivate us to live more fully for Him, to prompt us to spread the Gospel with more urgency, making disciples.

 

God didn't tell us the end is coming so we would spend countless years trying to predict the timing of the end, which He says we can't, and it's not so we can try to come up with details to fill in the blanks that God purposefully left there.

John, you aren't going to sit in a rocking chair with a blanket and Bible waiting for the Rapture? :nuts:

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