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All out of contest, please go back to the Bible, believing the Bible instead of man.

If it's out of context, how so? What is the proper context? These are fairly large quotations of Scripture so if one is going to say they are out of context, the proper Scriptural context needs to be provided for comparison.

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Covenanter, on 02 Dec 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:snapback.png

My post is all Bible, in context - what teaching of man are you seeing in my post?

 

You used Bible verses out of context to proclaim what you believe.

 

No, Jerry, I used the Bible verses which whoever you were quoting took in isolation to support his & your dispensationalism, but in the context. Go back & read my posts & show me where the passages refute what I am teaching from them.

 

You are imposing dispensationalism on Scripture, & using isolated verses to support that doctrine. The context refutes your doctrine.

 

A few posts ago #18 you wrote in reply to Invicta:

 

All you know to do is make the very same old accusations for you do not know how to defend those teachings.

 

I will try & be nice & try to help you instead of doing as you do, making accusations.

I have shown fully how to defend what I teach, without quoting any other teacher. If you were to read your source, & the Scriptures he quotes as passages rather than isolated verses, you would see what these Scriptures actually teach.

 

I read in David Wilkerson's book "Beyond the Cross & the Switchblade" how he teaches dispensationalism. I'm quoting from memory.

 

Read through this outline of end times teaching to get the idea, without looking up the Bible passages quoted. Only then read the Scriptures quoted.

The same Scriptures are always used to "prove" the doctrine, but if you read them properly they don't. Try it.

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I find it hard to understand why a well known hymn which I posted and which shows Christ's glorious return has engendered such controversy.

 

It is enough for me that Jesus Christ will return with his mighty angels and we will meet him in the air and he will take vengeance on his enemies, and we will be like him and be with him forever.  Halelujah.

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Yet being as the way Christ return shall come & with the Bible telling about it, it needs to be told in the right manner, not the wrong manner.

 

As far as to keeping going on & on about it, I've stated how it will come about for all who read this topic so there's nothing else needs to be said. One either accept the Bible way are they do not.

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And a half dozen people give a half dozen different views on this point and each one of them declares their view is the Bible way.

 

Most are unable to scripturally support their view or to scripturally refute one or more of the other views.

 

For those few who do actually go in the Word and present Scripture to support each point of their view, and Scripture to refute other views, I give them much credit whether I find their case to be sound or not; at least they are willing to give scriptural support and face the challenges which come from doing so.

 

It's too bad more of them don't hold discussions on these matters in meeting halls in this area as they do in some.

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And a half dozen people give a half dozen different views on this point and each one of them declares their view is the Bible way.

 

Most are unable to scripturally support their view or to scripturally refute one or more of the other views.

 

For those few who do actually go in the Word and present Scripture to support each point of their view, and Scripture to refute other views, I give them much credit whether I find their case to be sound or not; at least they are willing to give scriptural support and face the challenges which come from doing so.

 

It's too bad more of them don't hold discussions on these matters in meeting halls in this area as they do in some.

 

Take what I posted, get your Bible out, & see if it lines up with the Bible or not. And do the same with what others have stated, them come to your conclusion. That is my suggestion, & I say that for when this topic comes up you seem to act as if your not sure which is the right way. 

 

And of course there will be different views, different teachings, those who though the ages that separated from the true teaching church did so because they completely disagreed with the Bible truths. That was already happening during the days the New Testament was being written, & the falling away is much worse now than them.

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Take what I posted, get your Bible out, & see if it lines up with the Bible or not. And do the same with what others have stated, them come to your conclusion. That is my suggestion, & I say that for when this topic comes up you seem to act as if your not sure which is the right way. 

 

And of course there will be different views, different teachings, those who though the ages that separated from the true teaching church did so because they completely disagreed with the Bible truths. That was already happening during the days the New Testament was being written, & the falling away is much worse now than them.

My post was not directed toward you or I would have quoted one of your previous posts or mentioned your name. As noted at the end of my post I mentioned the discussions that are held in some places between differing views of eschatology.

 

I know what I believe in this area but I'm not closed to learning more.

 

When statements are made regarding a view but Scripture is not given to support the view they are not giving anyone anything to look up and study for themselves.

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Jerry said:

  The verses we just read is speaking about when Jesus’ comes in the air for his own, we commonly refer to as the rapture-
  We could also read about it in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, page 1227-

 

 

That of course is misquoting scripture as I have shown you before.  The scripture does not say that Jesus is coming to the air.  It says that he is coming and we will meet him in the air.  Something completely different.   

 

I was taught that Jesus is coming for His saints, and then with his saints, two comings.  However when I asked where the scripture mentions two comings, they said well it is not really two comings but two parts of one coming.  However we had a preacher at my current church a couple of times about 2 years ago, just before he died.  He said that when Jesus comes in Acts 1. 9  And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10  And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He is not coming for or with his saints, but only to the Jews as Jesus was speaking only to Jews,  I asked him where the church was at this time and he said "In heaven."  So here we have a third second coming.  
 
Someone who has since gone to be with the Lord, said to me afterwards "But the angel was speaking to Christians,"

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Sing the hymn boldly and joyfully.  "When he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Watch those clouds!  Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

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I hope this hymn posting will not cause any cntroversy

 

Oh Where Are the Reapers

   

O where are the reapers that garner in
The sheaves of the good from the fields of sin?
With sickles of truth must the work be done,
And no one may rest till the harvest home.

Refrain

Where are the reapers? O who will come
And share in the glory of the harvest home?
O who will help us to garner in
The sheaves of good from the fields of sin?

Go out in the byways and search them all;
The wheat may be there but the weeds are tall;
Then search in the highway, and pass none by;
But gather them all for the home on high.

Refrain

The fields are all ripening, and far and wide
The world now is waiting the harvest tide:
But reapers are few, and the work is great,
And much will be lost should the harvest wait.

Refrain

So come with your sickles, ye sons of men,
And gather together the golden grain;
Toil on till the Lord of the harvest come,
Then share ye His joy in the harvest home.

Refrain

 

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