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That is heartbreaking!

 

Yes, it is HC.  I am still recovering from this, emotionally, b/c I am saddened that the ministry folded and so did the bus ministry.  What is worse than that?  My 22 year old son was so torn up by this, that he chooses not to go to church now, unless it is some kind of event.  It affected my personal life, as well.  My son is a Wayward Child.  I taught my son to help the homeless and be kind to others.  He learned more from his schooling than he did in this church.  I grew up with snobs.  It is amazing the snobs I met at this church.  And they live where I live?  LOL!  Praise God my IFB church is not like this.  God is good!  Oh, and one more thing.  I was a liason to the pregnancy counseling center in my hometown.  Every year, before Mother's Day, I sent out baby bottles for people to put in a little change in, so that the pregnant women at the center could use them for "Baby Bucks" in exchange for classes they took on parenting.  We served the whole westside of my city.  Muslim women would come in, too.  The gospel was presented to them along with counseling.  Sadly, the crisis center closed b/c people aren't willing to give just a little.  And, I grew up in a very affluent neighborhood.  The majority of the people in my old IFB church complained about a few coins and did not give, although they thought nothing about buying a new SUV.  Very sad.

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Honesty seems to be key on OB, therefore I was just saying what I believe. I will stop, though. I didn't think you were being "caveat" with me. I am sorry you feel that way. I take things personally b/c this board is not the same as I remember it to be. Most of the old crew is gone. Many of the people, on this board, are harse and I have seen a lot of dissention rather than discussion. I will "diss" as you call... it when it is called for. Although, "diss" is too strong a word for me to use. I have always been blunt. I am not a Cookie Cutter Christian and believe honesty is best... even if it is sometimes a little brutal. I know many IFB's who have had drug and alcohol problems, and have told me personally, they won't speak of it in their testimonies b/c they don't want to be judged by the saints. That is a fact that I know.

As for the pastor who speaks this? I don't think you know him or of him, unless he is from the State of OH. He is a small fish in a big pond. I am not talking about all IFB's, HC. I am talking about the ones that I have met, personally, and I make it a point not to associate with them... due to their lack of passion. I am a passionate person. I have a huge passion for souls to get saved, as most people do, however, I believe in accepting people where they are... not what they will become. We are all "Diamonds in the Rough." God does not expect perfection, and neither should we.
So you can be honest but I can't? Because if you are going to chide me for posts where I don't agree with you than I can't really, unless I want to be accused yet again. And I'm blunt, too. If you can be, so can we all. SWIM?

I'm sorry - caveat simply means adding a short explanation or apology or something like "I don't mean to offend..." That type thing.

I am so sorry that your son is a casualty of that. Will have to pray more for him.

You are correct that we can't expect perfection. No-one on here does, even if at times it seems like it. Since none if us are perfect, sometimes we all can be harsh, or temperamental, etc. In a case like that, it's goid to remember we are all fallible.

I probably don't know that pastor but do know some like him...

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You can overcome any addiction by purely for spiritual means.
There is a physical side of course but it is the result, not the cause of the addiction.
I didn't respond to the AA thing because I didn't think you asked anything about it - to me you stated an opinion.
I have no problem with addiction programs, have attended some workshops, have a friend who runs one.
Personally I think AA has problems, mostly due to the fact that they not biblical in their approach but are instead a bit 'churchy'. They do some good though.
I see way too much condemnation of addicts instead of Biblical support, but also way too much unbiblical 'support' that bandaids the problem rather than addressing it.

I got no support nor judgement - but I also sought no support from people.

And they say that smoking is one of the hardest to break. I smoked when I was younger.
I tried to quit many times. For my girlfriend, for the health, for the cost. The withdrawals are real.
The thing that gave me victory was realising that it dishonoured the Lord.
The withdrawals became unimportant - still felt them, but that didn't matter now.

Addiction - all addiction - is primarily a spiritual issue. There are physical effects both immediate and long term, and addiction often causes disease, but addiction itself is spiritual and emotional.

Genuine spiritual support is often neglected, but of the greatest help.

I believe that, DaveW.  So there is help for me with my morning Caramel Frappes, a couple of times a week, from McDonalds.  :biggrin:  I agree with you about that physical result.  However, I have seen people go into the DT's right in an AA  meeting.  One of my brothers was court ordered to AA and I would attend some meetings with him for support.  I saw an ambulance come in for a person going through the DTs.

True, I didn't ask you.  AA was founded by Bill Wilson, who at one time, was a benign Atheist from Rhode Island.  He was never told about God until he walked into the rooms of "The Oxford Club" which was the Biblical program that preceded AA.  He never talked badly about God, either, before that.  He just didn't know anything about God.  That is why "Higher Power" is used in the 12 Step Programs.  Bill W. introduced it as a mere stepping stone.  However, the majority of people believe God to be their Higher Power.  Dr. Bob was the other co-founder.  He was raised Protestant.  Both men came to trust Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour in AA.  Many people do replace AA and other 12 Step Programs instead of church.  Although, many people, are saved, in those rooms, and end up going to Bible believing churches.  I live in the area of Cleveland, OH.  Although, Bill Wilson was a New York stock broker, gone poor during the Great Depression, he met Dr. Bob by chance (God Ordained) in Akron, OH.  The first meeting consisted of Bill and Bob.  In Cleveland, OH there are over 900 meetings.  Seriously, someone can't go wrong.  I believe the problem in AA is government control.  They state in their bylaws that they are self-sufficient, yet they are connected to the courts. That makes them accountable to the Federal Government.  To me, that is the biggest downfall.  

It is good to know that you got no judgment.  Sadly, I know some people who have been judged by believers.  Specifically the drunks and addicts from the woman's homeless shelter.  Although, the 12 Step Program has it's own kind of judgment.  People think the IFB church is difficult?  Try walking into a room with a group of people who automatically want you to join their "Program" as it is called.

Thankfully, I never had a smoking problem.  My brother is a chain smoker, too.  He started smoking when he was 10.  Praise the Lord, he stopped smoking Marijuana many years ago.  I would blow a gasket, if that were the case... b/c we live in the same house.

I agree about addiction being a spiritual problem.  I don't know how anyone can overcome anything w/o knowing Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour.  The physical part, I mentioned in my other post, and then the DT's which happen to hardcore drunks are those aspects I was referring to.  It was scary to see that happen one time.     :eek

I will say, again, the strongest Christians I know are the ones who have overcome addictions.  I started to grow in the Lord, when I saw an old friend in the grocery store in 1998.  It was a Thursday night.  I would have a couple glasses of wine, at the end of the week, to unwind.  Teaching in the inner city was often times exhausting.  I was going to get a bottle of wine off the shelf, and I ran into Eddy.  He asked me what I needed it for?  I thought that was very odd.  Eddy was always a rebel child... into drugs and alcohol during high school and college, which he didn't finish because of his addiction.  Anyway, long story short... I put the bottle of wine back on the shelf b/c Eddy told me that the Bible says it's evil.  Now this guy is reading the Bible?  I was in shock.  :icon_confused:   He got sober in the rooms of AA, years before, and was also attending Al-Anon meetings.  He was the first person, that I remember, who talked to me about the Lord Jesus Christ.  My problem was Tarot Cards, calling pyshic hotlines, going into stores that sold witchcraft material and meeting phyics in broken down buildings in the most seedy parts of town.  I had no idea what a fortune I paid for nothing.  I was searching for the truth in the most sick manner possible.  Eddie told me that it was very evil, bought me an NIV Bible, and showed me in the Book of Deuteronomy where God says how horrible it is.   I'll never forget what he said: "You are walking on the dark side."  That was my beginning of Jesus taking complete control of my life.  I made a Profession of Faith in March of 1998, but didn't get saved until May 10, 2003... Mother's Day Weekend.  

           

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As I said, to me that is the primary shortcoming of AA specifically - but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. (There are other programs that are more Christ based, and I am sure some AA are far more Christ centered than others).

And the DT's and other physical reactions to addiction are not the addiction. They are part of the control the addiction has over the person. Result not cause.

I have seen people driven away because of intolerance and lack of support, even when I have tried - the undercurrent that flows from others in church, even when you stop the overt, is so damaging.

And I have seen people who simply love their Drug master more than anything and anyone else.
To see a young single mother give up her child to the authorities because she doesn't love that child more than the drug is devastating (and yes that sounds harsh, but it is plain fact, not unloving 'judgement' - and not universally true). Let alone them hearing the Gospel repeatedly and yet refusing to submit to the Lord in the matter. :(

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By the way CL - I think we are largely arguing the same side - I don't mean to seem combative, and I hope it is not coming across that way. ;)

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So you can be honest but I can't? Because if you are going to chide me for posts where I don't agree with you than I can't really, unless I want to be accused yet again. And I'm blunt, too. If you can be, so can we all. SWIM?

I'm sorry - caveat simply means adding a short explanation or apology or something like "I don't mean to offend..." That type thing.

I am so sorry that your son is a casualty of that. Will have to pray more for him.

You are correct that we can't expect perfection. No-one on here does, even if at times it seems like it. Since none if us are perfect, sometimes we all can be harsh, or temperamental, etc. In a case like that, it's goid to remember we are all fallible.

I probably don't know that pastor but do know some like him...

No.  That wouldn't be fair, would it?  I guess we will be "blunt" together... and I won't get so senstitive.  Not to excuse my behevior, but my mom is dying.  It is taking it's toll on me, as she has deteriorated so badly and just wants to go to heaven with Jesus.  I feel guilty b/c she is an hour away and I don't get to spend the time with her that I want to.  Seeing her once a week, is not enough for me or her.  She is getting tremendous care, but she has no quality of life.  I don't want her to suffer any more than she has to, as my dad suffered a horrible death in 1993.  I apologize to you and will be cautious with what I say, from now on.

Yes, please pray for Mark.  OSU has really steered him the wrong way, as well.  And, having a dad who is so demanding and constantly inteferring with any of his down time, is so hard on him.  His dad suffers from Bi-Polar, he is a functioning drunk and has an emotional incest problem.  That doesn't sound as bad as it looks.  It merely means that the parent who has not gotten on with his/her life... relies on a child for everything.  My mom has always said:  "You can't put a grown man's head on a boy's body."  His dad does this, as long as Mark has been a child, and it pains me along with Mark's lack of spirituality.  Ironically, Mark is the reason that I married Joe and started going to church.  He started VBS during the Summer of going into the third grade. We left shortly after he made his First Communion in the RCC.  I also had huge issues with him drinking the Communion wine, of which he didn't drink in second grade.

You are correct.  We are all human and have our flaws.  I have said this before, but it is worth repeating.  "God doesn't make perfect men and women of God, He makes willing men and women of God."  My MIL told me that years ago.  She probably heard it from a pastor or read it in Sword of the Lord or somewhere like that.     

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Oh, candlelight! I am so sorry about your Mom. Lisibg my Dad was horrible, and I know itll be worse when my Moms time comes. I'm so glad she knows the Lord. That is much comfort!

You, your Mom, and Mark are in my prayers.

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As I said, to me that is the primary shortcoming of AA specifically - but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. (There are other programs that are more Christ based, and I am sure some AA are far more Christ centered than others).

And the DT's and other physical reactions to addiction are not the addiction. They are part of the control the addiction has over the person. Result not cause.

I have seen people driven away because of intolerance and lack of support, even when I have tried - the undercurrent that flows from others in church, even when you stop the overt, is so damaging.

And I have seen people who simply love their Drug master more than anything and anyone else.
To see a young single mother give up her child to the authorities because she doesn't love that child more than the drug is devastating (and yes that sounds harsh, but it is plain fact, not unloving 'judgement' - and not universally true). Let alone them hearing the Gospel repeatedly and yet refusing to submit to the Lord in the matter. :(

 

Agreed, DaveW.  A Christ centered program that I do know about is "Reformer's Unanymous."  The nearest RU is located at Cleveland Baptist Church, in my area.  I believe the RU headquarters are near Chicago, maybe in ILL?  I took my brother to RU at Cleveland Baptist, as well.  He had to attend 3 meetings a week with AA so he only went one time.  Also, the Bible scared him, at that time. 

Interesting about the DT's.  I never knew that before... but it does make perfect sense.  Thanks for sharing that tid bit of information.

Are you talking about people driven away in church or in AA?  I am confused b/c when a person is court ordered in AA they cannot get out of the room, unless they are taken out by an ambulance.  I have seen many an alcoholic go balistic b/c they were basically locked in a hot room in 90 weather, waiting to go to the nearest bar or beverage store soon.  ;)  That paper must be signed for the parole officer to check over.

Drug Master?  That's a brand new term for me.  Yes, it is true.  Several of the women in the shelter had their children taken from them by a close relative or worse, Child Services.  A woman who was addicted to crack was making so much progress, then went back out into to the streets again.  She had been smoking crack and she was a prostitute at age 13.  I had to explain to saints in the church that she was actually a 13 year old, even though she was 54, b/c her addiction started at 13.  I learned much of this from studying psychology... abnormal pyschology, being my favorite and second hand experience living with a functioning drunk.  The only time he wasn't mean was when he didn't have booze in his system.  He requires it 24/7.  My husband calls it "Free Floating."  My former sister in law (my ex's older sister) introduced me to Al-Anon.  One of the best books I have read is "The Road Less Traveled."  I have given away many of my books, to people so that they can receive the help my SIL so graciously shared with me.

Sadly, many people DO hear the gospel over and over again.  Yet, they never submit to a loving and merciful God who will take their burdens from them.  One of the homeless girls was sitting in church with me, and went to the altar during the "Altar Call."  Sadly, my pastor told me she left the shelter the next day.  Was she sincere?  Only Jesus knows the answer to that.  The hardest thing for a saved person is the burden we carry in our hearts for the lost.  If they only knew how much we love them and want them saved, but most importantly, the Creator of the Universe loves them to pieces and died, rose again, and is waiting for them to knock on the door.  If only they would respond...

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By the way CL - I think we are largely arguing the same side - I don't mean to seem combative, and I hope it is not coming across that way. ;)

Yes, we are certainly on the same side DaveW.  I am enjoying this conversation and it is reminding me to go to an Al-Anon meeting next week.  It is my "seed planting" ministry.  I try to go at least 2 times a month. 

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Yeah I mean at our church.
We in the past had a ministry to young drug affected - not deliberately by the way - the Lord made it happen and we didn't really even realise until we were doing it........
But some in our church didn't like it and as much as some of us tried, the undercurrent could not be stopped, even though the surface was. People still feel it.... :(

I was pretty firm - following on from my Pastor when he handed it over to me - but it was not firm preaching or blunt speaking that drove them away.
It was those who looked down on them......

"Drug master" - something I just wrote. I am going through Romans right now - serving masters is pretty much at the front of my mind......

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Refirmers Unanimous was begun as a Christ-centered ministry to help those with strongholds in their lives. We had the ministry for years at our church and have seen a numberfof people saved and growing. Sadly, we have also seen people turn away because the pull of addiction is so strong.

It is heartbreaking to see a parent choose their addiction - be it drugs, booze, gambling - over their child.

I'm thinking right now of two families who are now saved, members of the church, and growing as a result of that ministry. They are such a blessing to see!

Forr various reasons, we don't use Reformers now. We have a minustry called Help 4 You now. The materials have been written by one of the men in our church and are soundly biblical. I'm thankful we are continuing on reaching out to those who have strongholds in their lives.

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Oh, candlelight! I am so sorry about your Mom. Lisibg my Dad was horrible, and I know itll be worse when my Moms time comes. I'm so glad she knows the Lord. That is much comfort!

You, your Mom, and Mark are in my prayers.

Thanks, HC.  The only thing that is getting me through this ordeal is that she knows Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour.  She was saved October 22, 2006.  I came back from a woman's retreat at Hyle's Anderson College.  Needless to say, I was on a spiritual high.  The theme was awesome!  Before coming over to my mom's house, I stopped at the church bookstore, and got her a new Bible... with a Footprints in the Sand logo on the front of it.  That is my mom's favorite prayer.  I wrote the date inside and also put i was a gift from Our Heavenly Father,.. The Lord Jesus Christ.  She grasped the Bible firmly in her hand and cried and said, Jesus is God... He is my Lord.  I knew at that moment she was saved.  Peace came over the room.  An evangelist and another man from the church came by to do a follow up visit.  The evangelist asked her how she is going to heaven.  She immediately responded my faith in Jesus.  Unfortunately, the other man, started talking to her about how Rosary Beads are evil Catholic relics that are ungodly tools of the devil.  Oh, boy.  The devil does jump in on every occasion he possibly can. doesn't he?  My mom always despised Rosary Beads, and thought all of Mother Angelica's trinkets on TBN were worthless.  However, it was a jab against the religion of her birth.  So, she took offense.  She loved to go to church gatherings and talk with the saints.  When I originally started to witness to her, I talked about hell and damnation as that is what lead me to Christ Jesus.  I spoke about this before, and that wasn't working b/c she grew up in Vatican I and heard of hell and damnation all the time, based on "works" of course.  I changed my approach to love and the Lord saved her.  I have to give credit to my IFB family, too.  They always made her feel welcome in church, and at the gatherings.  She loves my pastor and his wife.  She says they are wonderful Christians.  In fact, she doesn't have an unkind word to say about anyone in my church.  I also noticed an immediate change in her behavior, after her salvation.  I would take her out to grocery shop, to the drug store, to get her hair done, etc.  I would leave gospel tracks on shelves in these places of business.  While years before, she would shy away from me, and act like she didn't know who the Bible Thumper was... she embraced me with a huge smile and a hug.

One of my favorite Books of the Bible is the Book of Jude, b/c of it's simplicity.  The Epistle of Jude... 22 And of (on) some have compassion, making a difference:  23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."

This leads me to believe that some people need to be saved with fear and others need compassion.  I needed fear b/c of the sin of witchcraft I was involved in.  My mom needed compassion, b/c she has lived a very hard life.

I was so sorry to hear about your dad's passing to eternal life on Facebook, HC.  It is so difficult to lose a parent, especially a parent who are the kind parents that we have.  One fine day, your mom will join your dad in glory.  What a day that will be!  Thank you for your prayers for my mom.  I only want her to go peacefully, in comfort... not like my dad's death.  Also, thank you for your prayers for Mark.

Now, I need the strength to get through a Roman Catholic funeral.  My mom didn't care how she was buried or where.  My Roman Catholic sister and Roman Catholic brother have made the decisions.  They consulted my oldest brother and I and we said, whatever mom is comforable with.  Knowing that she will be in heaven with Jesus is the best comfort I have.  :sSig_praiseGod:
  

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Yeah I mean at our church.
We in the past had a ministry to young drug affected - not deliberately by the way - the Lord made it happen and we didn't really even realise until we were doing it........
But some in our church didn't like it and as much as some of us tried, the undercurrent could not be stopped, even though the surface was. People still feel it.... :(

I was pretty firm - following on from my Pastor when he handed it over to me - but it was not firm preaching or blunt speaking that drove them away.
It was those who looked down on them......

"Drug master" - something I just wrote. I am going through Romans right now - serving masters is pretty much at the front of my mind......

While my husband says "De Nile" is a river in Egypt, it is denial of addiction that inhibits drunks and addicts from getting help.  Sadly, many people, not Christian's specifically, do look down on drunks and addicts.  It is a sad reality.  Many times it is from those who drink, themselves.  Even the program of AA is not really anonymous, although most people feel safe in those rooms.  It becomes home for them.  A club.  During the holidays they run 24/7 meetings in a lot of places.  The hotline is also available 24/7... just like suicide hotlines.  It has been a long time since I have been to an AA meeting, however I should go for another visit... as I use AA as my "seed planting" ministry, as well.  Alcoholics feel more comfortable around people who share the same problem.  Maybe, I can encourage my brother to go back of his own free will.  I have heard many an AA say that they can't relate to people at church, b/c of their problem.  I find that saddening, as people in Bible believing churches aren't immune to alcohol and drugs, either.  No one is, but God is always in the business of miracles.  Many people sit in Bible believing churches, recovered from alcoholism b/c they let Jesus be Lord of their lives.  Doctors, pastors, LISW's. lawyers, teachers and anyone can go to an "Open Meeting."  The meeting must be specified, though.  "Closed Meetings" are for the alcoholic, alone.

I won't give up my hope for souls to come to Christ, through these 12 Step Programs.  They have "believer" meetings, as well, in my area.  I have never been treated as an outsider in AA.  Even if I go alone, there is always a warm welcome and a smile from someone.  I wish Bible believing churches had groups such as these.  My pastor, at my old church, was going to have an RU meeting set up... but they wanted funds in advance for it.  He told me what I know.  The church operates on a Benevolent Fund.  I was hurt when he gave me the news, b/c I know so many people in churches are hooked on alcohol and drugs and need spiritual assistance for this need.

I like the words "Drug Masters."  It is appropriate for this discussion, DaveW.

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Has anyone read the excellent book by Martin and Deidre Bobgan, 12 Steps to Destruction: Codependency Recovery Heresies?

 

 

This book includes essential information for Christians about codependency/recovery teachings, Alcoholics Anonymous, Twelve-Step groups, and addiction treatment programs. The book examines such teachings and groups from a biblical, historical, and research perspective.

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/12stepsbk_online.html

This book is available as a free e-book, downloadable from the above link.

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Refirmers Unanimous was begun as a Christ-centered ministry to help those with strongholds in their lives. We had the ministry for years at our church and have seen a numberfof people saved and growing. Sadly, we have also seen people turn away because the pull of addiction is so strong.

It is heartbreaking to see a parent choose their addiction - be it drugs, booze, gambling - over their child.

I'm thinking right now of two families who are now saved, members of the church, and growing as a result of that ministry. They are such a blessing to see!

Forr various reasons, we don't use Reformers now. We have a minustry called Help 4 You now. The materials have been written by one of the men in our church and are soundly biblical. I'm thankful we are continuing on reaching out to those who have strongholds in their lives.

 
Reformer's Unanymous is a wonderful ministry.  Yes, I can't imagine chosing a drug or alcohol over my child.  Even when I was into Tarot Cards, prior to my salvation, I never put it before Mark.  In fact, I never did it in front of Mark. 

How wonderful it is to see people grow through a godly Christ centered ministry.  I still can't understand why they wanted money up front.

I haven't heard of Helo 4 You know, but a homeless woman, who lived with us for 8 months, two years ago... told me about another Christ based program.  Cathie was addicted to smoking cigarettes, pills and booze.  Even the pharmacist at Giant Eagle warned her about taking her sleeping pills with Xanex for anxiety.  It was difficult to see a very intelligent and loving person, go down that road.  Sadly, after she returned home to Maryland, living from one home to another, she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and went home early to be with the Lord.  I praise God she was saved.  I have taken in the homeless before, but after this... Joe said, "no more" unless it is family.  With the nation in ruins, I think we might be going back to families living under one roof, as it was in the Great Depression.  As a child, my dad gave up his room for his handicapped aunt, and he slept in the attic with his brother with no heat.  I think we might have to prepare for those times to come again, as history certainly repeats itself.  And being homeless, is all too common now.   Many Americans are Dumpster Diving to feed their families.  God help us... 

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Has anyone read the excellent book by Martin and Deidre Bobgan, 12 Steps to Destruction: Codependency Recovery Heresies?

 

This book is available as a free e-book, downloadable from the above link.

No, I haven't LindaR.  However it seems interesting.  I just finished a book called, "Brain on Fire, My Month of Madness" which was on the New York Best Seller's list for quite some time.  It came out in 2009, about a woman's journey from what they deemed was a phychological problem to enventually a serious physical problem, where this young woman's brain was being attacked by her body... by a rare disease.  A Syrian born American Neorologist diagosed this woman,  He is helping numerous other people sitting in psych wards and nursing homes b/c they have been diagnosed as crazy.  The reason I started to read it is because I am witnessing to a 20 year old young woman with many psychological problems.  She has had them her entire life.  What she has told me, seems similar to this rare neurological condition.  BTW, this Syrian born doctor was told by some of his teachers that he was stupid and would amount to nothing.  His family, in Syria, is so proud of him, as he is now a renowned known neurologist throughout the world and especially in the middle east.

I am also in the process of re-reading a book called, "Unveiling Islam"... AN INSIDER'S LOOK AT MUSLIM LIFE AND BELIEFS.  It written by two pastors who were saved out Islam, as was their other brother.  It isn't a slam on Islam, rather a compassionate book written on how to win Muslim's to Christ.  I live in a highly Muslim area, and I hope to take this information and use it to witness to the Muslim women I meet during the week.  My OBGYN is also married to a Muslim man and her office id filled with Palestinian women.  I have an appointment coming up, and I want to finish the book before I go to her office for a visit. 

I am always open to new books to read.  Thank you, sister.  I will probably order this from Barnes and Noble, as I usually find a used book in good condition from them.  It does sound very thought provoking and something I would be interested in knowing more about. 

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Help 4 You us a ministry of our church, candle. The materials were written by a man in our church who had to come home from Africa due to a baffling sickness that causes major problems.

As he prayed about what to do jobwise, God seemed to be leading him into a writing ministry. Part of that was the material for Help 4 You. He has also written monthly devotion books and is working on one that is for the year. As well as other stuff.

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Help 4 You us a ministry of our church, candle. The materials were written by a man in our church who had to come home from Africa due to a baffling sickness that causes major problems.

As he prayed about what to do jobwise, God seemed to be leading him into a writing ministry. Part of that was the material for Help 4 You. He has also written monthly devotion books and is working on one that is for the year. As well as other stuff.

 

That sound great, HC!  The Lord placed this man, in yet another position, in no time at all.

I hope it is a very successful ministry in your church.

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If you're diabetic, I wouldn't drink any soda. Remember, the dr. who told you to drink whatever while you had a bladder infection you said was back in 80's. For some patients I'm sure doctors tell some to drink lots of whatever they want because they're not water drinkers, I know some people can't stand to drink water.

 

 

Thankfully I'm not diabetic.Wow, I've lost several friends due to that, its so sad to witness what that will do to a person.

 

I'm not, & never been a big drinker of water. I suppose I drink a bit more now than ever.

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Addiction is about control.

It is something that controls you.

Addiction can cause health problems, but it is primarily spiritual and emotional.

If it was purely physical then addiction to gambling, excitement (thrillseeking), and pornography would not be possible.

And victory over addiction by spiritual means would not be possible.

That is not to say that there are no physical aspects - physical withdrawal symptoms are very real.
But the actual addiction itself is a spiritual and emotional thing.
What you are addicted to EFFECTS you in different ways, but the addiction itself is at its base an unwillingness to submit to God's leading, guidance, and commands.

You can be addicted to things which are not sinful in themselves - car magazines for instance. At times I have bought and read car magazines to the exclusion of reading God's Word. Bought each new magazine, read it cover to cover, then again several times, the whole time not reading or thinking about God's Word, and waiting, waiting, waiting for the next addition to come out.
I was addicted.
I only had victory over it when I acknowledged that it was taking precedence over the things of God.

Addiction often causes disease, but it is not disease itself.

Ultimately it is the 'disease' of idolatry - putting something in control of your life other than God.

 

Sometimes its a habit, not addiction, we get use to doing something, like say drinking a 6 pack of Mountain Dews or even more everyday, or even cokes, or even much milk, or eating a certain kind of candy & its hard to stop. I call that a habit, no addiction.

 

What would be great is:  If good habits were easy to make & very hard to break.

                                        If bad habits were very hard to start & very easy to break.

 

Yet it seems for most of us its just the opposite.

 

The good habit of attending church is an easy one to break, you miss a few times for what ever reason, them it becomes easy to stop going. I've done that many years ago, & seen others do it.

 

I never will forget one rainy Sunday morning several years back. I had got up about 4:00 PM, went to take care of my two chicken houses, after which I went to look at my cattle, had a couple of mothers that were close to calving.

 

I got back to the house about 8:30 took a quick shower, them set at the table eating the sausage & biscuit my wife had fixed for me, them went & got dressed. After getting dressed the wife was still getting ready. I looked over at my couch & it looked so inviting, so I laid down on it.

 

I was kind of dozing, & thinking, wow, sure would feel so good to take a nap missing church, it would not hurt, besides its rainy, & rainy weather is just great to nap, especially after all the work I just did, hey, I've got a great excuse. I was about to doze completely off, them it hit me, I jumped up from there, got a cup of coffee & started drinking it.

 

In a little bit the wife & I left for church & I told her about laying on the couch, & that I thought the old devil sure was tempting me to take a nap, & miss church on this rainy morning. Glad I didn't, I still remember, coming home I said, I'm sure glad I did not sleep though church this morning, it was a great service, besides that person I had invited attended this morning. If I had not been there my witness would have been lost, destroyed even.

 

I'm mentioned this to a few that miss church once in a while, they actually seem to think that's a silly thought. Yet I don't believe it is unless there's actually a very good excuse, & being lazy being tempted to sleep on a rainy morning would not have been a very good excuse at all for me, for my Lord would have known all about it.

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You can overcome any addiction by purely for spiritual means.
There is a physical side of course but it is the result, not the cause of the addiction.
I didn't respond to the AA thing because I didn't think you asked anything about it - to me you stated an opinion.
I have no problem with addiction programs, have attended some workshops, have a friend who runs one.
Personally I think AA has problems, mostly due to the fact that they not biblical in their approach but are instead a bit 'churchy'. They do some good though.
I see way too much condemnation of addicts instead of Biblical support, but also way too much unbiblical 'support' that bandaids the problem rather than addressing it.

I got no support nor judgement - but I also sought no support from people.

And they say that smoking is one of the hardest to break. I smoked when I was younger.
I tried to quit many times. For my girlfriend, for the health, for the cost. The withdrawals are real.
The thing that gave me victory was realising that it dishonoured the Lord.
The withdrawals became unimportant - still felt them, but that didn't matter now.

Addiction - all addiction - is primarily a spiritual issue. There are physical effects both immediate and long term, and addiction often causes disease, but addiction itself is spiritual and emotional.

Genuine spiritual support is often neglected, but of the greatest help.

 

 

I had a friend who was an alcoholic, & he had a very bad habit of gambling. He finally overcame alcohol, but never gambling.

 

He went to AA, I forget, but he fell off the wagon 3 or maybe 4 times. Which he did finally make it. He seemed to have a hard time referring to God, he seemed to always want to say a higher being.

We talked many times about God, Jesus, the Bible through about 5 to 7 years, & he still most of the time would refer to a higher being.

 

That has made me somewhat against the AA. I rightly think if a persons trust, faith, in God through Christ they can overcome whatever it may be.

 

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

If we cannot them this verse is not true & them the Bible is only good for good moral values.

 

 

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In AA and all other 12-Step "Recovery" programs, Jesus is only another "higher power".  I was in Al-Anon for 5 years (1981-1986) and the group frowned on the usage of naming Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord.

 

 

Step Two: “Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.”1

 

Step Three: “Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.”1 (Emphasis in original.)

 

1. Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., 1952, 1953, 1981.

 

From page 120 of 12 Steps To Destruction: Codependency Recovery Heresies by Martin and Deidre Bobgan:

 

The extreme naivete of Christians comes through when they confidently assert that their higher Power is Jesus Christ. Since when did Jesus align Himself with false gods?  Since when has He been willing to join the Pantheon or the array of Hindu deities? Jesus is not an option of one among many. He is the Only Son, the Only Savior, and the Only Way. All Twelve Step programs violate the declarations of the Reformation: Only Scripture; Only Christ; Only Grace; Only Faith; and Glory to God Only. Instead they offer another power, another gospel, another savior, another source, another fellowship, another tradition, another evangelism, and another god. Jesus’ majesty and His very person are violated by joining Him with the gods of the wide gate and the broad way. Jesus emphatically stated that His gate is strait and His way is narrow. His is the only way to life, while all other ways lead to destruction (Matthew 7:13-14).

 

 

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If I get dehydrated bad things start to happen.  So I am constantly refilling my mason 20 ounce mason jars many times a day between trips to the restroom.  As a Coast Guard Rescue Swimmer once taught me, "Clear PXX Is For Mee!"  Some folks might not have clear urine with vitamins and such but that rule has worked for me and my family and friends for years.

 

The tap water around here tastes awful, as does much of the bottled stuff, but just like in the days aboard ships, I can drink gallons and gallons of distilled water all day long!  Hmmmm Hmmm Good!  

 

Swath, are you ex-Coast Guard?

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