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1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?   Yes, there's always been men who had long hair, men who do as they wish & listen not to

That's fine - you go ahead and add works to salvation. As for me, I will stick with God when he says that salvation is by grace through faith and not of works. You can not know the hearts of other

This isn't directed to you, SFIC, but its a general comment:   Always wondered why we need to wear a ribbon to show we are 'aware' of something. Who isn't aware of breast cancer, seriously?  Breast

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Though I am not a Baptist Brider either -- just for clarification: Briders generally don't teach that only Baptists are going to Heaven, they teach (again, for the most part) that only properly baptized Baptists will be in the Bride of Christ. All other saved people will be guests and attendants.

 

Not my stance but mentioned for accuracy sake.

Thank you for clarifying for me, brother.  That makes more sense.  I have heard it from other faiths, not IFB's.  I still don't think I am a Baptist Brider, but I heard the term thrown around several times.  I can now give Pentacostals an accurate definition of it if it ever comes up in a conversation, again.  My area is filled with Pentacostal churches, and I heard a woman talk about it in a church, years back.  I am always running into various Christians all over town.  Praise God for that!

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I don't care, Jerry.  At one time the Presbyterians taught right out of the KJV, strong doctrine included.  Not all Christians are Baptist's, Jerry.  Numerous evangelists, in past history, were often times not Baptists.  Our country and world is filled with men of God who preached the word of God, correctly, yet weren't Baptist.  You are starting to sound like a "Baptist Brider."  I am not one.  Baptists aren't the only ones going to heaven.  The requirement for heaven is accepting the Lord Jesus Christ, as Personal Saviour.  And, knowing that salvation is not by works, but by Christ's shed blood on the Cross of Calvary.  A personal relationship with the King of Kings and Lord of Lord is exquisite, no words can describe that.  While I am prone to the Baptist faith, given the rich history, and knowing we hold to the teachings of the early church, I certainly don't believe that only Baptists are the only people going to heaven.  That isn't scriptural.  We will be surprised, one day, who will will see in heaven, and believe it or not, some Baptists aren't going to make it.  A denomination does not get people an entrance key into the Kingdom of heaven.  The requirement is so simple.  Complicating God's word is what confuses people.  I prefer to keep the message simple.  Christ certainly did.  Aren't we supposed to carry on the message that Christ taught? 

 

Billy Graham came from the same bunch, and of course you know that Matthew Henry lived from October 18, 1662 to June 22, 1714 & we did not have all the MV's, NIV's & such as we have today competing with the KJ.

 

The Presbyterians as a denomination has always taught works based salvation, teaching infants to be baptist so they could be saved, & considered any infant that had been baptized into their church, saved, even if they never made a profession of faith.

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Sbmission doesn't mean inequality. Jesus made Himself a servant to His disciples, yet He was Lord of them all.

 

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body
 
Lets see, the verse says Christ is head of the church, the husband is head of the wife, that's not the equality that your proclaiming.
 
If you want equality you will have to join forces with the political community & the world, best wishes.
 
No put down, just stating Bible truths, it is the only thing that counts when that day comes. And I know, many will teach equality to stay on the good side of everyone, especially the women who wear the pants in the family & their husbands.
 
Yet right along with that teaching we are to teach this verse to.
 
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
 
And the man of God will not use his postilion to lord over his wife, but to love, respect, & cherish her with all his heart.
 
Because some abuse it is not a good reason not to teach it, we need to stay with the Bible teachings.
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Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body
 
Lets see, the verse says Christ is head of the church, the husband is head of the wife, that's not the equality that your proclaiming.
 
If you want equality you will have to join forces with the political community & the world, best wishes.
 
No put down, just stating Bible truths, it is the only thing that counts when that day comes. And I know, many will teach equality to stay on the good side of everyone, especially the women who wear the pants in the family & their husbands.
 
Yet right along with that teaching we are to teach this verse to.
 
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
 
And the man of God will not use his postilion to lord over his wife, but to love, respect, & cherish her with all his heart.
 
Because some abuse it is not a good reason not to teach it, we need to stay with the Bible teachings.

 

Are you saying the one in submission is less than the one who is over them?

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Are you saying the one in submission is less than the one who is over them?

 

Read the Scriptures & believe while loving your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it. Love sacrifices doesn't it?

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Though I am not a Baptist Brider either -- just for clarification: Briders generally don't teach that only Baptists are going to Heaven, they teach (again, for the most part) that only properly baptized Baptists will be in the Bride of Christ. All other saved people will be guests and attendants.

 

Not my stance but mentioned for accuracy sake.

 

Your correct, I've heard some say they teach like the Catholics & the coC & teach that no one who is not a member of their churches will not go to Heaven. Many uninformed people causing all kinds of teachings to spring up.

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What John asked got me to thinking after I made a reply, & I did not fully answer his question. Sorry. The subject at hand is not about who is better than anyone else, & that rightly had nothing to do with the subject, its about if we are all equal or not, not about if someone is better than someone else. Its not about whether the wife is better than the husband, it about what the Bible says. And no one has ever heard me say that anyone was better than anyone else, simply because I’ve never stated that. What I’ve been pointing about is all people are not created equal. And I have already posted verses that proves that point. So I will not add to that point.
 
Some more thoughts on equality.
 
Many people seem to claim when we get to Heaven we will all be equal, that’s not true, some will lose rewards, some will gain rewards.
 
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 
Wit some getting rewards, some losing rewards, that proves we will not all be equal in Heaven. Yet, in Heaven there will be no sin whatsoever so there will be no jealously, lust, nor envy, or we could say there will be no sin present in Heaven. Each person will be perfectly happy with his or her place, what ever it may be.
 
And that is not something I will judge, I do not judge others rewards nor their salvation, Jesus will be the judge for that, & He will give rewards to those who has served Him properly, sad to say some will lose all rewards yet keep their salvation.
 
Just as in Hell all people will not be punished equally, they will be punished according to what their works have been in this life.
 
Re 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
Lu 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
 
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
 
That is some will get many stripes in Hell, some fewer, Jesus will give them a just punishment, they will not receive one more stripe than they deserve. A just punishment, which during this time we fail to mete out just punishment, many times rewarding those who deserve many stripes & giving stripes to those that deserve rewards.
 
Isn't it wonderful to know that Jesus will be perfect & just in giving or taking rewards for those who enter Heaven, & in handing out stripes for punishment in Hell? Everyone will receive exactly what they deserve & there will be no ‘dream team’ representing anyone at either judgment seat, each person will be facing the 'One True Just Judge, Jesus.'
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Read the Scriptures & believe while loving your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it. Love sacrifices doesn't it?

You didn't answer the question I asked.

 

edited after reading another post:

 

It seems you kind of answered my question in a later post. Thank you, I understand what you were trying to say now.

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Billy Graham came from the same bunch, and of course you know that Matthew Henry lived from October 18, 1662 to June 22, 1714 & we did not have all the MV's, NIV's & such as we have today competing with the KJ.

 

The Presbyterians as a denomination has always taught works based salvation, teaching infants to be baptist so they could be saved, & considered any infant that had been baptized into their church, saved, even if they never made a profession of faith.

 

Jerry, your posts lately have been off the wall brother.  You sound exactly like a saved Roman Catholic priest.  Yeah, there are lots of them.

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Jerry, your posts lately have been off the wall brother.  You sound exactly like a saved Roman Catholic priest.  Yeah, there are lots of them.

 

Is your statement of Jerry being "off the wall" supported by your examples of him posting about Billy Graham and Matthew Henry?

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Lu 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
 
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
 
That is some will get many stripes in Hell, some fewer, Jesus will give them a just punishment, they will not receive one more stripe than they deserve. A just punishment, which during this time we fail to mete out just punishment, many times rewarding those who deserve many stripes & giving stripes to those that deserve rewards.
 
 

 

I don't understand your reasoning here, Jerry.  What happens when they have received all their stripes?

 

Sounds like pugatory to me.

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Is your statement of Jerry being "off the wall" supported by your examples of him posting about Billy Graham and Matthew Henry?

No, not at all swath.  In fact, my statement doesn't have anything to do with his response at all, here.  He just sounds like some Roman Catholic priests, I have known in the past, who constantly harp on things and continue to defend something after many people have pointed out the obvious.  Ukelelemike has my very sound Biblical points on the subject of submission.  I learned them in my IFB church, and from various books on submission and how to be a "helpmeet."  Jerry sounds just like a few chavaunistic Catholic priests I know from when I was in the RCC.  I didn't know man's responsibilty or role in the Bible until I came to my IFB church.  The RCC blames the woman for everything.  It is always the woman's fault according to many priests in the RCC.  They blame Eve for what happened in the Garden of Eden.  It was only until I came to the IFB that I found out Adam needed to take that responsibilty and protect Eve, which he didn't.  I am confused with Jerry's comments back to Ukelelemike, when the Bible is clear on the subject.  That is all.   

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I did not even hint at nothing like purgatory nor RCC teaching.

 

Mt 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
 
Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
Yet is you want equality you had better turn to the world.
 
Lu 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
 
Some needs to do a bit of Bible study before making such accusations & if you want equality it will never be had on earth, nor in Heaven, nor in Hell.
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you know we get off the main thing hair and cover. that all it was about. thanks brother and sister 

 

Brothers!

 

When I went to a Brethren church in Hythe, they had a row of scarves hanging in the entrance with a note asking visiting women without hats to take a scarf and wear it. 

 

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No, not at all swath.  In fact, my statement doesn't have anything to do with his response at all, here.  He just sounds like some Roman Catholic priests, I have known in the past, who constantly harp on things and continue to defend something after many people have pointed out the obvious.  Ukelelemike has my very sound Biblical points on the subject of submission.  I learned them in my IFB church, and from various books on submission and how to be a "helpmeet."  Jerry sounds just like a few chavaunistic Catholic priests I know from when I was in the RCC.  I didn't know man's responsibilty or role in the Bible until I came to my IFB church.  The RCC blames the woman for everything.  It is always the woman's fault according to many priests in the RCC.  They blame Eve for what happened in the Garden of Eden.  It was only until I came to the IFB that I found out Adam needed to take that responsibilty and protect Eve, which he didn't.  I am confused with Jerry's comments back to Ukelelemike, when the Bible is clear on the subject.  That is all.   

If I may, this is one of my little "quinkie dinks":

 

Every other place in the KJB that a person finds the word "meet" used in a manner not related to arriving in a location with another person or object (Ex 8:26; Judg 5:30; Ezra 4:14; Ester 2:9; Job 34:31; Prov 11:24; Jer 26:14;27:5; Ezek 15:4-5; Mt 3:8;15:26; Mk 7:27; Lk 15:32; Acts 26:20; Rom 1:27; 1 Cor 15:9;16:4; Phil 1:7; Col 1:12; 2 Thess 1:3; 2 Tim 2:21; Heb 6:7; 2 Pet 1:13) people correctly state it is "right, proper or suitable for" but when they hit THE SAME WORD in these 2 verses (Gen 2:18,20) they want to combine the noun (help -- noun, not verb here as indicated by the article "an") with the adjective (meet) and create a non-existent word -- helpmeet (or some say helpmate).

 

 

I know I am  :ot: , please forgive.

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Brothers!

 

When I went to a Brethren church in Hythe, they had a row of scarves hanging in the entrance with a note asking visiting women without hats to take a scarf and wear it. 

 

David

I don't have a problem with that.

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No, not at all swath.  In fact, my statement doesn't have anything to do with his response at all, here.  He just sounds like some Roman Catholic priests, I have known in the past, who constantly harp on things and continue to defend something after many people have pointed out the obvious.  Ukelelemike has my very sound Biblical points on the subject of submission.  I learned them in my IFB church, and from various books on submission and how to be a "helpmeet."  Jerry sounds just like a few chavaunistic Catholic priests I know from when I was in the RCC.  I didn't know man's responsibilty or role in the Bible until I came to my IFB church.  The RCC blames the woman for everything.  It is always the woman's fault according to many priests in the RCC.  They blame Eve for what happened in the Garden of Eden.  It was only until I came to the IFB that I found out Adam needed to take that responsibilty and protect Eve, which he didn't.  I am confused with Jerry's comments back to Ukelelemike, when the Bible is clear on the subject.  That is all.   

 

Instead of throwing the word Catholic at me perhaps you ought to go to the Bible first, while paying very close attentions to the verses I pointed out.

 

As for me I'm not blaming anyone, I'm taking the Bible as it is.

 

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

The verse above is very simple for anyone to read & understand, yet I understand some, perhaps many refuse to accept God's way, & will go there on way using verses out of context to smooth over their conscience. And for those that refuse God's way, I refuse to bow to them & their way.

 

And you can accused me of being whatever you chose, a RCC, a chauvinistic, & or any name you chose to call me, name calling isn't very nice like, yet when some get mad they can't help there self, I guess its their only defense.

 

I'm puzzled, all the name calling, getting bent out of shape, seems some are hearing something they never heard, but I provided Holy Scriptures.

 

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

 

Take a close look at this very, its very clear that all that finds them self in Hell are not going to be punished them same, they will be punished according to their own works. Remember, God is 100% fair, 100% honest, & those in Hell will receive fit punishment for what they have done.

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Brothers!

 

When I went to a Brethren church in Hythe, they had a row of scarves hanging in the entrance with a note asking visiting women without hats to take a scarf and wear it. 

 

David

 

Being as I was a guest, a visitor, I would do it their way, if I could not, & it went against my beliefs in God I would politely leave.

 

For instants if I had been invited to dinner in dinner in someone else's home I would try to do at they do & not cause any type of commotion or scene, even though they told me to make myself at home. I would be the same way when visiting a church.

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Instead of throwing the word Catholic at me perhaps you ought to go to the Bible first, while paying very close attentions to the verses I pointed out.

 

As for me I'm not blaming anyone, I'm taking the Bible as it is.

 

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

The verse above is very simple for anyone to read & understand, yet I understand some, perhaps many refuse to accept God's way, & will go there on way using verses out of context to smooth over their conscience. And for those that refuse God's way, I refuse to bow to them & their way.

 

And you can accused me of being whatever you chose, a RCC, a chauvinistic, & or any name you chose to call me, name calling isn't very nice like, yet when some get mad they can't help there self, I guess its their only defense.

 

I'm puzzled, all the name calling, getting bent out of shape, seems some are hearing something they never heard, but I provided Holy Scriptures.

 

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

 

Take a close look at this very, its very clear that all that finds them self in Hell are not going to be punished them same, they will be punished according to their own works. Remember, God is 100% fair, 100% honest, & those in Hell will receive fit punishment for what they have done.

 

With all due respect, Jerry.  I have a pastor and a very good one at that.  I also have a very godly husband, who I obey.  I answer to the Lord Jesus Christ, my husband, and my pastor.  OB is not my substitute for my IFB church.  It is additional fellowship with like-minded believers.  I just can't help but notice your constant condemantion of John, and Laura... specifically.  Where is your Christian charity?  You also question the scripture that Ukelelemike puts up, as if he doesn't know the Bible as well as you do?  I find that very prideful on your part.  You are constantly spitting out numerous computer generated scriptures, that are a bit overwhelming for some.  Maybe, post a couple in your posts,  as the majority of us read our Bibles daily and don't need your constant chastising.  I take time in God's word everyday with my husband.  That is what the Bible commands me to do, as he is the spiritual head of my household.  You are not my pastor.  You have your own flock to tend to.  The IFB pastors that I know are too busy with their flock, to be on IFB message boards chastising people they have never met in person.  


 

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No, not at all swath.  

 

He just sounds like some Roman Catholic priests  

 

...Jerry sounds just like a few chavaunistic Catholic priests

 

...I am confused with Jerry's comments

 

Ok, but it seems to me you're making an inaccurate and unfair accusation.  He's just posting scripture; accept it or reject it on the premise provided.

 

As for a lady's covering, I love my wife's and daughters' long hair and though they seldom wear them anymore, they all look cute in a hat!  

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Ok, but it seems to me you're making an inaccurate and unfair accusation.  He's just posting scripture; accept it or reject it on the premise provided.

 

As for a lady's covering, I love my wife's and daughters' long hair and though they seldom wear them anymore, they all look cute in a hat!  

Don't get me wrong, swath.  It has nothing to do with the scriptures Brother Jerry was posting.  I love the word of God and have always held to the KJV.  Jerry also is a very good IFB man of God.  My point is, I know several saved Roman Catholic priests.  My sister's priest is one of them.  When visiting my mom, some time back, in her nursing home... my MIL asked this priest how he knew for sure he was going to heaven.  She also told him why she left the RCC.  Well, this priest was not offended and gave a Biblical response.  He said nothing about works. BTW, my MIL is the most godly woman in my life.  I mentioned this before, but almost a year ago, my former FIL passed on.  The RCC priest, at the funeral home, preached like a Baptist preacher.  He even gave the salvation message.  After that service, I was able to witness to a Roman Catholic man b/c of the priest's message on salvation.  I also attended 7th-8th grade in parochial school.  The assistant priest was also a born again Christian.   Sadly, the Diocease of Cleveland shipped him off to San Salvadore. My parents were so upset, saying that the Vatican gets rid of the best of them.  I didn't realize it at the time, but he was preaching from the word of God, from the altar, in the RCC church.  A saint in my former IFB church, told me about it years later.  He also said my 8th grade History teacher was born again.  They got rid of her, too.  My 7th grade Math teacher taught from the 1970's Hippy Bible, "The Way."  I didn't know that until later, after this gentleman from my former IFB church told me that.  However, I vaguely remember the Bible, and later bought a copy of it.  My memories had returned.  The church kept Sr. Maurice, though.  My husband, who was raised in the parochial school from 1st grade to 8th grade, told me about a black priest who was a Bible believing Christian, as well.  Then, the Diocese of Cleveland got rid of him, too.  Joe couldn't remember where he shipped him off to, though.

I have no problem with long hair.  I actually like my hair long, but have trouble with it b/c it is so unruly.  I am a little bit Spanish, as the Spanish Armada, docked on the shores of Ireland and bread with the Irish women many years ago.  There are one, "Black Irish" woman, as we are called, it each of my dad's sibling's families.  I am it.  My hair takes a lot of work.  I spend over an hour on it to blow dry and straighten it, otherwise it swamps my whole face.  I am also 1/4 German Jew, on my mother's side of the family.  According to the Beis Din, the highest Rabbinical Council in Judaism, I am halachically a Jew, b/c the women in my mom's family are Jewish.  Although, I don't believe in Jewish law... I believe in DNA.  Anyway, my mom and I searched several geneology sites, years back, and discovered her mother's ancestry b/c it was such a mystery.  Her grandmother hid her Jewishness, b/c of the Russian Pograms.  Her parents inserted an "i" into the Jewish name to make it look non Jewish.  My mom's grandmother married a RC Irish man and came to the USA from Baden-Baden (The Black Forest) of Germany.  My sister and her family visited a few years back.  Anyway, why am I telling you this?  Well, I love hair coverings.  I always have.  When I was a child, my sister and I used to wear a bonnet to church.  I am leaning to wearing a scarf, as one of my doctors is married to a Muslim man, and the girls in her office wear scarves.  I live on the westside of Cleveland in a highly populated Muslim area.  The eastside of town is highly Jewish.  Both Jewish and Muslim women wear scarves and the Jewish women sometimes wear wigs.  These are the Torah Observant Jews, which is equivalent to a Bible Believing Christian.  When I go for my follow up check up in a few months, at my doctor's office, I am going to ask the one of the Palestinian American women, in the office, how she ties her scarves.  Also, two Syrian American women trim and style my hair when needed.  Although they are not Islamic, rather Maronite Catholic, I could also ask Ramia and Bascall to help me.  Also, if you could please pray for their salvation, swath?  I have been witnessing to them for a couple of months.  Thanks in advance.  Sorry, for the length of my post.  I just wanted to clear the air and give you a bit of my testimony.

BTW, I just know your daughters are adorable in those hats.  :)    I always loved to wear them when I was a little girl.  I was always a "girly girl."  It would be so nice if those styles would come back. 

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No such thing as a saved roman catholic priest.

The roman catholic church is a den of iniquity. Full of idols and idolaters.

One who claims to be saved and remains in the roman catholic church is deceived. He is no more saved than a banana is a grape.

Are mere men in a position to say who is or isn't saved? Such is sacred ground.

 

While I've never personally known a Catholic to be saved and stay in the RCC, I've heard of some who have/do. I've never known or heard of a Catholic priest being saved, but such is possible, and one would hope at some point they would realize the need to walk in accord with Scripture, preach true to the Word so their congregation could finally hear the true Gospel, and then move on.

 

While not RCC, I do know of some pastors who seem to be biblically saved (as well as laity) who remain in various churches which have some wrong teaching or are watered down to some extent.

 

Even Scripture tells us that some are saved but never mature, all their things in this life will be burned up so they will receive no rewards, yet they are saved and enter heaven.

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The Word of God declares who is saved.

2 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV) 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2 Corinthians 6:18 (KJV) 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God declares those who remain in idolatry are not His.

You sure are adamant about defending roman catholic lies lately, John. Not good at all

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And you are sure quick to judge people of whom you know almost nothing.
Can you categorically say that not one person who attends a catholic church in the whole world is saved?

Because that is what you said.....

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You said "One who claims to be saved and remains in the roman catholic church is deceived. He is no more saved than a banana is a grape."

I agree that a person who gets saved SHOULD NOT remain in the catholic Church, but that is not what you said......

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The Word of God declares who is saved.

2 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV) 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2 Corinthians 6:18 (KJV) 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God declares those who remain in idolatry are not His.

You sure are adamant about defending roman catholic lies lately, John. Not good at

 

 

Are you denying that Scripture says there will be immature Christians, saved folks, who will have nothing to show from this life that they were even His, yet they are saved?

 

You are tying maturity in Christ with salvation and that's not what Scripture presents. We are saved by grace through faith, and nothing else.

 

How fast one matures in Christ is between them and the Lord. Some folks mature quickly, some at a more moderate pace, some slowly or even very slowly, and some hardly at all; yet each one is saved and will be with Christ for eternity. Scripture is clear about this.

 

One of the reasons so many mature slowly is because of our (all born again Christians in general, especially in America it seems) failure to disciple new, young and immature believers.

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Are you denying that God says "Come out and I will receive you?" 

What part of "Come out" do you not understand?

God said "Come out, and be ye separate saith the Lord, and I will receive you.  And I will be a Father unto you..."

God will not be a Father unto them until they come out of idolatry.
 

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Ok, but it seems to me you're making an inaccurate and unfair accusation.  He's just posting scripture; accept it or reject it on the premise provided.

 

As for a lady's covering, I love my wife's and daughters' long hair and though they seldom wear them anymore, they all look cute in a hat!  

I know you are right when you say your ladies look cute in their hats! Women look beautiful in their hats, and I think that's by design.

 

I miss the ladies in their dresses and church hats that I used to see so much of when I was a child.

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Are you denying that God says "Come out and I will receive you?" 

What part of "Come out" do you not understand?

Those verses are speaking to those already saved. They won't become any more saved by coming out any more than they will be any less saved if they don't. If they do come out they will be drawing nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto them. If they fail to come out, they are still saved, they can't and won't lose their salvation, but they will be allowing things come between then and the Father, thus hampering their growth in the Lord.

 

We can't tie any work to salvation. That's not what Scripture teaches. Works should come after salvation, but there is no set time table or set order of just when or in what order the Lord will deal with believers in these matters.

 

As Scripture says, who are we to judge another's servants, the Lord will deal with the works of His people, it's not for us to declare the state of their salvation.

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