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Entire Month Of Preaching On Tithing?


Miss Daisy

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Would you give either way?

would I give either way? Good question.

My stance is, if a pastor is going to lie to his congregation, he doesn't deserve any monetary compensation from us

God would be more pleased with us giving to a widow or orphan in need than if we were to give it to a lying preacher.

James 1:27 (KJV)
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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Excerpt from "The Divine Right of Tythes Shaken" by Thomas Ellwood; 1722 A.D..:

It was the spoils which Abraham gave the Tenth of, Heb. 7:4. And who is Man, that he should take upon him to add or alter! Darest thou say he paid, when God says he gave! Darest thou say, it was of his own Substance, when God says it was of the Spoils! Darest thou say, he did this ordinarily, when the Spirit of God hath thought fit to mention this one only extraordinary time! Add thou not unto His Words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a Lyar, Prov. 30:6.

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Encyclopedia Britannica; 1911, 11th Edition, Vol. 26, p. 1020

Tithes in Law
Tithes were generally regarded up to the 17th Century as existing jure divino, and as having been payable to the support of the Church ever since the earliest days of Christianity.

History, as Selden showed in his learned and exhaustive treatise (History of Tithes 1618), does not bear out this view.  In the words of Hallam, "the slow and gradual manner in which parochial churches became independent appears to be of itself a sufficient answer to those who ascribe a great antiquity to the universal payment of tithes."

Long before the 8th century payment of tithes was enjoined by ecclesiastical writers and by councils of the Church; but the earliest authentic example of anything like a law of the state enforcing payment appears to occur in the Capitularies of Charlemagne at the end of the 8th or the beginning of the 9th century.  Tithes were by that enactment to be applied to the maintenance of the Bishop and clergy, the poor, and the fabric of the Church.  In course of time the principle of payment of tithes was extended far beyond its original intention.  Thus they became transferable to laymen and saleable like ordinary property, in spite of the injunctions of the third Lateran Council, and they became payable out of sources of income which were not originally tithable.   The canon law contains numerous and minute provisions on the subject of tithes.  

The Decretum forbade their alienation to lay proprietors, denounced excommunication against those who refused to pay, and based the right of the Church upon Scriptural precedents.  The decretals contained provisions as to what was and what was not tithable property, as to those privileged from payment, as to sale or hypothecation to laymen, as to priority over state taxes, &c.  Various questions which arose later were settled by Boniface VIII.  The Council of Trent enjoined due payment of tithes, and excommunicated those who withheld them.

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Yes, Selden was a historian. His book The Historie of Tythes angered the state Church so that the king commanded he appear before him. There, he recanted his writings for fear of imprisonment or death.

Basically, he folded under pressure... As so many do today. Afraid to speak the truth concerning tithes for fear of excommunication from the assembly.

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From The Works of Josephus; Section 1-7:

2. Now as soon as Albinus was come to the city of Jerusalem, he used all his endeavors and care that the country might be kept in peace, and this by destroying many of the Sicarii. But as for the high priest, Ananias Ant-20-27 he increased in glory every day, and this to a great degree, and had obtained the favor and esteem of the citizens in a signal manner; for he was a great hoarder up of money: he therefore cultivated the friendship of Albinus, and of the high priest [Jesus], by making them presents; he also had servants who were very wicked, who joined themselves to the boldest sort of the people, and went to the thrashing-floors, and took away the tithes that belonged to the priests by violence, and did not refrain from beating such as would not give these tithes to them. So the other high priests acted in the like manner, as did those his servants, without any one being able to prohibit them; so that [some of the] priests, that of old were wont to be supported with those tithes, died for want of food.

The above shows that the tithes due the priests were not money, but rather food.... just as the Bible also declares throughout the Old Testament.

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From The Works of Josephus; Section 8:

And this trouble he underwent for two years and four months;
 Ant-11-14 for in so long a time was the wall built, in the twenty-eighth year of the reign of Xerxes, in the ninth month. Now when the walls were finished, Nehemiah and the multitude offered sacrifices to God for the building of them, and they continued in feasting eight days. However, when the nations which dwelt in Syria heard that the building of the wall was finished, they had indignation at it. But when Nehemiah saw that the city was thin of people, he exhorted the priests and the Levites that they would leave the country, and remove themselves to the city, and there continue; and he built them houses at his own expenses; and he commanded that part of the people which were employed in cultivating the land to bring the tithes of their fruits to Jerusalem, that the priests and Levites having whereof they might live perpetually, might not leave the Divine worship; who willingly hearkened to the constitutions of Nehemiah, by which means the city Jerusalem came to be fuller of people than it was before. So when Nehemiah had done many other excellent things, and things worthy of commendation, in a glorious manner, he came to a great age, and then died. He was a man of a good and righteous disposition, and very ambitious to make his own nation happy; and he hath left the walls of Jerusalem as an eternal monument for himself. Now this was done in the days of Xerxes.

The above paragraph is in agreement with Nehemiah chapters 10 and 13

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"Is that Anthony Pearson the Quaker from Umm... Durhum...ummm Yorkshire?"
 
"Thomas Elwood - hmmmm, another Quaker."
 
"Politician and lawyer, church of England, best friend was a catholic theologian"
 
"Seldon - English philosopher and lawyer, held to teachings of Erastus and humanism.
Noted historian."
 
 
After these short posts from DaveW I am forced to ask, "Has anyone but a FIB ever spoken the truth or are we to assume automatically that they are all inveterate liars?  :umno:
God bless,
Larry
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When one takes the time to compare the Quakers doctrine on tithes with Scripture, It is obvious that the Quakers were doctrinally correct on the topic of tithes.

So many today would rather accept anything and everything that is preached from the pulpit, than to imitate the actions of the Bereans who did not just accept what they heard, but searched the Scriptures daily to see if it were so.

Because many fail to search the Scriptures, they have no true understanding of Scriptures.

Proverbs 4:7 (KJV) 7 Wisdom [is] the principal thing; [therefore] get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

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