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On my last post, about updating the KJV, bear in mind I am not pulling for such a thing, I just believe it COULD be done, but the one(s) doing it would need to have the utmost respect and awe for both the Lord and His word-not looking to change for change's sake, but to do exactly as I said: update it as possible. John, you are correct: if a word does not have a modern equivilent, leave it as it is: even the ye's and thee's were obsolete when they were used in the KJV, but they were used to properly convey the meaning, something still needed today. But some terms, which have vastly changed meaning in the last 400 years, like "conversation", could be changed to 'manner of life', or something similar, since that was what it meant in 1611, and it would not at all hurt the content, nor the feel.

 

Jerry, you mentioned that thee is no need to change it at all, that we have the perfect word in our hands. I agree we have the perfect word, but remember that the whole reason the KJV was undertaken was to bring the language into the 'vulgar', or common, tongue of the time to be made available to the common man. Today's common man is seeming a bit dimmer today, and, as long as it was done carefully and again, with the fact in mind that it IS the very word of God we are dealing with, an update would by no means harm it, and it would STILL be the perfect, preserved word of God. 

 

But again, I am not endorsing it, nor do I feel capable of such a feat, so I don't see it occurring anytime soon, at least, not by my hand.

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Ukelelemike I do not agree.  For one thing why change the KJB?  Is it really the "thee's and thous" that bother people? no, it's the "thou shalt nots".  Secondly, what right does man have to tamper with the Word after the men of old were inspired by God Himself? 

 

Even if the words have changed down through the years, who changed the language?  Man did, not God.  Does He have to keep up with mans idiosyncrasies?  Cultures have changed to, but many are outlined in the Bible as a "shadow of things to come", yet the Word of God stands supreme for every generation, and every people throughout the world.  We are warned at least three times not to tamper with God's Word, and yet, we still say there is room for "improvement" today. 

 

The reason for bringing the Word to the common people was so that the priests would not have a monopoly on it; so that man could know God personally, and finally without running to others to tell them what is right or wrong; we already know where that leads, and yet we run to Hebrew and Greek scholars today to tell us what it really means!  How redundant.  No, the "common people" have the Word already, and they need to come up to it instead of having it brought down to their level

 

By the way, someone mentioned John R. Rice as being a fundamentalist, but so does John MacArthur say he is a fundamentalist, and he denies the blood of Christ!  Anyone can claim anything, but the truth is revealed in their heart and not in their words.  John  Rice was an evangelist, but there are several things he thought very different on ("storehouse tithing" for one)  If we knew some of the things great men of the past have believed and preached, we would not allow them in our pulpits today! (Spurgeon; Sunday: Moody; even John Wesley, and the list goes on.)

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I can hardly believe some of the posts that BAPTISTS are posting here!  Modernism has taken hold, and the basic (fundamental) doctrines of the Baptists has been influenced by the error of modern thinking.

 

The KJV was good enough, even some people who were of "limited education" were saved through the use of the KJB.  It is said to be written on a fourth grade level, but I would say perhaps that is a bit of an exaggeration; maybe 6th or 7th grade!

 

I believe we show our ignorance when we demand an "easier" translation (which is not realy easier to understand, but easier to swallow!)

 

Yes, I believe it was, and is, a necessary fundamental truth.  Remember, a man came up with the "five fundamentals" of the faith (or seven, or whatever) and since then it seems to have been written in stone.  Did anyone ever realize that it could have been his opinion?  Opinions differ on most things anyway, so we need to decide where we stand (scripturally as well as "sensibly") and stand there.

 

I'm the Baptist, not her and if she's ever going to open the Bible on her own it has to be on her level. This is a new (1-2 months) old Christian. She doesn't come to church. I'm the one who has the patience to listen to sermons and take notes to interpret a passage of scripture. I used the word "ambitious" the other day and she asked me that big word was! Some people can jump right in and understand KJV. She is NOT one of them.  Milk first, then meat.

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On my last post, about updating the KJV, bear in mind I am not pulling for such a thing, I just believe it COULD be done, but the one(s) doing it would need to have the utmost respect and awe for both the Lord and His word-not looking to change for change's sake, but to do exactly as I said: update it as possible. John, you are correct: if a word does not have a modern equivilent, leave it as it is: even the ye's and thee's were obsolete when they were used in the KJV, but they were used to properly convey the meaning, something still needed today. But some terms, which have vastly changed meaning in the last 400 years, like "conversation", could be changed to 'manner of life', or something similar, since that was what it meant in 1611, and it would not at all hurt the content, nor the feel.

 

Jerry, you mentioned that thee is no need to change it at all, that we have the perfect word in our hands. I agree we have the perfect word, but remember that the whole reason the KJV was undertaken was to bring the language into the 'vulgar', or common, tongue of the time to be made available to the common man. Today's common man is seeming a bit dimmer today, and, as long as it was done carefully and again, with the fact in mind that it IS the very word of God we are dealing with, an update would by no means harm it, and it would STILL be the perfect, preserved word of God. 

 

But again, I am not endorsing it, nor do I feel capable of such a feat, so I don't see it occurring anytime soon, at least, not by my hand.

 

 

I don't believe so for you would have some with an agenda as has been on each version that has been produced.

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What good does it do to go to a modern version of the Bible because its easier to read if it has many errors & your not holding the Word of God in your hands? They can lead to many people astray. And in the church setting, whether it be Sunday school or preaching services if there's many different versions in the hands of those present it can be very confusing & God is not the author of confusion.

 

I have been in services where the pastor read from a version that it was quite impossible to follow along.

 

I've read devotionals that have been based on other versions, & if I look the verses up they use in my KJ Bible there is no way they could have come to the opinion they did.

 

And a long time back I read a blog & person said, I used this version because it makes it plainer, no, he used that version because it had a different meaning that could not have been expressed using the KJ Bible.

 

Many use those parallel bibles that have verses from many different versions so they can pick & chose what to believe, so sad.

 

Kind of like many who write book & use 10 to 30 different versions picking out the scriptures from them that gives them the most credibility with what they chose to believe & teach, so sad.

 

Like the big leaded of liberalism, Rick Warren, in his book The Purpose Driven Life he used 14 different versions so he can teach his liberal teachings, now many are following him.

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Lefton, maybe you could get her Days of Praise from Institute for Creation Research. Its a quarterly devotional booklet that uses the KJB. A different verse or set of verses each day, and is explained well. That could help her begin to understand the KJB.

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Yes. Although I don't think its necessarily a story all the time. But always a clear explanation. You can either order it by going on their site or by calling. I would recommend the phone. But they want people to actually order it themselves, so they know the person truly wants it. You could get the number and then talk to her and help her make the call. They are out if this quarter's, so she wouldn't get it til December. But that's pretty close now.

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This is the woman I asked for prayer when I first joined and numerous times since then. She was into witchcraft, ghosts, astrology who recently got saved. She has a household and family most of us can't imagine living in. I gave her a KJV. I won't give her the other version. At least she'll have KJV on her shelf.

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Lefton, maybe you could get her Days of Praise from Institute for Creation Research. Its a quarterly devotional booklet that uses the KJB. A different verse or set of verses each day, and is explained well. That could help her begin to understand the KJB.

 

 

is that the daily verse and story?

 

I used to get Days of Praise.  You can get a free subscription by mail...if I remember right, it comes out quarterly...so you'd receive a devotional booklet every 3 months, or you can have it sent daily by email.  

 

Here's an example...

 

http://www.icr.org/articles/type/6/

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SOME QUESTIONS FOR KING JAMES FANS

 

The 1st part of the above article is an introduction, them John Rice's part will begin.

 

 

Now I'm going to post another article, its an opinion of  David J. Stewart, I'm posting it because of the last portion of the article with this man saying what he believes John Rice would feel towards the KJ Bible today if he was still living. He died December 29, 1980, & things have changed very much since those days with all of the MV's that's came out sine them..

 

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