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SFIC

You jumped to some conclusions there:

 

First, I didn't say anything about your particular family or situation - I was responding to the idea that you stated the family that is not nearby is automatically resolved from responsibility as evidenced here

I don't expect anything from the church...except truth and obedience to God's Word. Obviously, with mother's pastor, thos qualities mean nothing. As a widow who had no immediate family members living near her, the church's responsibility was to provide for her as the Word says... Not the other way around.

Secondly, you don't know anything about me or our church, nor was I even dealing with the treatment (reported, reputed, perceived, or actual) of the relationship between your mother and her church. In fact, I wasn't defending, taking up for, or sticking with anyone.

 

Nothing can be farther from the truth, OFB. All of mother's children are handicapped and are in no position to support her.

You want to judge those who are on disability? Amazing. Anything to condone the ungodly actions of a greedy preacher.

Gotta stick together, I suppose.

 

 

According to Paul's epistle to Timothy, the Church was to employ widows who reach the age of 60.  This means that the Church should have hired my mother 60 years ago and been supporting her... not her supporting them.

 

Thirdly, according to "1Ti 5:4  But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God."  her FAMILY is responsible before the church would be. 1Ti 5:16  If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. 

 

 

Again, I wasn't referring to your specific circumstance (considering you didn't provide any details, nor should you be required to) but to your insinuation that proximity (or lack thereof) constitutes responsibility (or relief thereof).

 

Fourthly, the passage refers to provision by, not employment by, the church. Would you suggest that when she is too feeble to work the church cut off support? I doubt you believe such, but that is what your post implies.

 

 

Most Baptist want to use 1Ti 5:8  But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. to say you should work (2Th_3:10  For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.  does that) but the context of this passage is taking care of widows in your family.

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SFIC you and your wife use the Old Testament tithing law to make your point, but deny it when it comes to tihting!  How hypocritical that is! 

Actually, we do not deny the Old Testament at all.  So your claim that we do is erroneous and misleading to say the least.

The tribes did tithe, and A PORTION went to the Levites, from which they also tithed. 

Only of the second and third year tithes did a portion go to the Levites. (see Deuteronomy 14:22-29) The first year tithe went wholly to the Levites. (see Numbers 18:24-26; Nehemiah 10:37-38)

Lev. 27:30 emphatically says "The tithe is the Lords" and it is Holy:
Correct.

 

"And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD."
 

Perhaps He changed His mind in the N.T.?
Not at all.  This is where I point out that it is not me, nor my wife, who is denying the Old Testament. You fail to give the Scripture that clearly states that the tithe is limited to Israel only.  Notice:
Leviticus 27:34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

For the children of Israel, Irishman... not for America, not for Europe, not for any other country or nation but Israel alone.  Why did you skip over that part of the Old Testament?  And you have the nerve to call me and my wife hypocritical!

 

Sure, they tithed from crops, money was scarce for the average person, the poor could afford to tithe that which they had, but few had much money.
Again, you are wrong.  Money was not scarce for the average person.  All peoples of Israel had money... even the poor. 
Exodus 30:15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

 

 

Jesus mentioned tithing in the N.T. too, and said that ye ought to have done AND NOT LEFT THE OTHER UNDONE.

 

 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (Mt 23:23)

 

But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (Lk. 11:42)

Of course, Jesus said "this ye ought to have done."  Why would He not have said it?  He was talking to the scribes and Pharisees who were living in the land of Israel who by Mosaic Law were required to tithe.  Jesus was not speaking to the New Testament Church... He was speaking to a peoples who were under the Law of Moses.
 

I have tried to avoid a long drawn out discussion the last time, but I see that you are obsessed with this falsehood, and figured, for the sake of others, that we might as well go over some old ground again.  Not that I suppose you will be convinced, you are to hung up on the thought that God doesn't deserve a tithe, but for the sake of a few others who have not studied so much that they have become dogmatically, stubborn.  "Much study has made (some) mad"
I never said God didn't deserve a tithe.  Why do you continue to falsely misrepresent me as you do, Irishman?  What I have consistently said is God never required us to tithe.  As Leviticus 27 clearly says, the tithe was "for the children of Israel." 
It isn't that God doesn't deserve the tithe.  What it is, is that God doesn't want the tithe.  Ephesians makes that abundantly clear.  God abolished the commandments written in the ordinances.  Tithing was an ordinance.
Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

 

 

First, let me say your attitude stinks.  No one that I know of feels compelled to tithe "forcibly", as you seem to think the teaching implies.  That is a matter of attitude.  It is obvious that you cannot give cheerfully, as was already mentioned that we should.
You say no one you know of feels compelled to tithe forcefully, yet you say that Jesus says "this ye ought to have done".  Seems someone here is being "forced" and doesn't even realize it.

 

Secondly, The idea of "grace giving" (as so called by John MacArthur, who denied the blood of Christ) opens the door to no giving at all "if you feel you can't afford it".  That leaves it up to man to decide if the tithe is the Lord's or his.
God has already said in His Word that He abolished the tithe.  So how can one decide to tithe and go against God?  You are advocating we rebel against God.  Many cannot afford to give that 10% that the Church (not God) demands of them.  Paul said in 2 Corinthians 8 that our giving should not cause us to lack.
 

 

IN 2 Cor. 9:7, which is often quoted in the subject of tithing, bears out a blessing for those that give--contrary to what you sem to believe.  If one would read the rest of the text, they would see that we are still not to ignore the poor, which you say we do if we tithe. 

 

Can you read?

 

2Co 9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8  And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

I have no problem with reading at all.  Why be so condescending in your posts, Irishman?  Regardless of the fact that the passage says God is able to make all grace abound toward you, you are still denying the previous verse when you teach that I, or anyone else, should tithe our money.  The previous verse clearly says we are to decide of our own accord what amount we want to give.  If we choose to give 15%, God will be happy with that.  If we choose 40%, God will be happy with that.  If we choose 1%, God will be happy that we gave.  God said it is our choice.  That means others are not to dictate what we give.  You didn't underline "as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give" but I can see why you might want to overlook that when telling others what God allegedly requires of them.
 

God is able to provide that which you lack.

 

2Co 9:9  (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
2Co 9:10  Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
 

then,backing up to verse 6:

 

2Co 9:6  But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

The implication is that God blesses a faithful giver.

God does bless a cheerful giver.  But He lets that cheerful giver choose what he wants to give.  "as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give."

 

Now, concerning percentage giving (remember, "tithe" means "the tenth") we are to give equally.  The only way to do that is percentage giving.  10% is always 10%, not matter what the income.

 

2Co 8:12  For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
2Co 8:13  For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
2Co 8:14  But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

10% is 10%.  But you are inserting into that text something it does not say.  Where are the words "ten percent" written in that text, Irishman?  Why are you adding to the Word of God?  Have you no fear of the consequences of adding to His Word?  A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.  When you add to the Word of God, you corrupt that Word.  Those who put out the modern (per)versions do that.  But in your commentaries, you are just as guilty of adding to the Word as they are.  When you add to the Word of God, it no longer is His Word, it is yours.  God did not say that equality means 10%.  Nor did He say that equality means any percentage at all.

 

One of the biggest problems in the church today is applying scripture to our own beliefs. Something that you have done yourself in your post here.  Every post (nearly) that is doctrinal, will have many say why it doesn't apply today (dispensationalists?) or that it doesn't mean what it says, literally; most of us give it our own private interpretation.  I am afraid that is the problem here. 
I agree, your post does show your own private interpretation.

 

There is not much more for me to say, take it or leave it, and let the Lord sort things out when He comes.
I'll leave it, since it doesn't agree with what the Lord has given us in His Word.
 


 

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God will call each of us to give differently.  We must listen and obey.  

 

The Scriptures teach otherwise.  However, the Holy Spirit may place a burden to give offerings for other things, such as missions or to help a struggling family member.  The tithe is for the storehouse, your offerings can be given as the Lord leads through the Holy Ghost.

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The Tithe WAS for the storehouse. The storehouse was part of the Temple in Jerusalem, which no longer exists.

Any Bible studying Jew can testify to that fact.

God commanded that the tithes be taken to the storehouse. The storehouse was in Israel, not in any other nation.

There is no Scripture that says God had tithing storehouses anywhere outside of Israel.

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Actually, 2 Corinthians 9 does not say it is a special offering for a special need and a special time.  Read it again.

2 Corinthians 9:1-7 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you: For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many. Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready: Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting. Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The offering is for the ministering to the saints.  Doesn't say it is a special need or a special offering or a special time.   Nice try though.

You sport your ignorance as if you're proud of it! Wow! This offering was a special offering to the saints in Jerusalem due to the drought that brought on them. Ever read Acts 11?? Paul is being sarcastic in verse 1, he is still waiting for these Corinthians to send what they had promised a year earlier.

 

Mine was no nice try, it was simple Bible. Sometimes your forcing of the letter is a joke Standing. It completely ignores context and is lazy for looking for the cross references. Any simple search would have revealed to you that this chapter and the previous are dealing with an offering that was being collected for the saints in Jerusalem as a result of a drought there. These are not instructions for the regular giving of a church as they would be found in 1 Corinthians 16.

 

All I can do is shake my head at your complete ignorance on the context of this chapter, even for you that´s a mind blower. But I guess in your great zeal to make sure no one ever , ever , ever tithes and feels good about, you jump in and inserted foot in mouth.

 

:puzzled3:

 

God bless

calvary

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Can't prove me wrong, attack my character. No surprise though. I'e come to expect it of you.

You have yet to produce the verses where Paul, or any othe Apostle, tells the Believer of the Gospel to tithe. Is that in 1 Opinions? or 2 Imaginations?

I detect no sarcasm in Paul's statement in verse 1. Nor do I see where Paul said it was for Jerusalem. Matter of fact, paul doesn't mention Jerusalem in that chapter, nor in either of its immediate surrounding chapters.

Nice try though.

By the way... 1 Corinthians 16 is not a collection for the Church. THAT collection was for the saints at Jerusalem. Obviously, you have your collections confused.

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Of interest, is the Greek word that is translated as "bounty."

It is the Greek word "eulogia," from which we get the word "eulogy. It is not speaking of money at all. Eulogia always refers to speech. But then, you being the theologian you are, would have known that... right?

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Can't prove me wrong, attack my character. No surprise though. I'e come to expect it of you.

You have yet to produce the verses where Paul, or any othe Apostle, tells the Believer of the Gospel to tithe. Is that in 1 Opinions? or 2 Imaginations?

I detect no sarcasm in Paul's statement in verse 1. Nor do I see where Paul said it was for Jerusalem. Matter of fact, paul doesn't mention Jerusalem in that chapter, nor in either of its immediate surrounding chapters.

Nice try though.

By the way... 1 Corinthians 16 is not a collection for the Church. THAT collection was for the saints at Jerusalem. Obviously, you have your collections confused.

Standing, you would be charged with the impossible task of finding any post where I ever told anyone to tithe. I care not a whit what you do with your money or what anyone does with their money. Again, your inability to actually do any due diligence in studying out what the saints needed, who these particular saints were and why was Paul asking them to get it together for the 3 men who are on their way to collect it? Do you suggest that all local churches send their offerings to a central clearinghouse?

 

According to your sloppy study habits, since you always seem to tell us what the text in any given situation does not say, thereby absolving all and any of whatever it you

 stand against, I could easily say, the Bible does not state that I cannot smoke cigarettes, therefore if I so chose to do so, I am not violating the scriptures.

 

 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

Obviously a standard that Paul has taught in many places. I am aware of what verse 3 says,  but it does not annul what he said in verse 1.

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Jesus identified religious leaders as hypocrites (and other harsh words) when they were wrong.

Unless you can prove me wrong with Scripture, (that doesn't mean taking them out of context ) you can't prove me wrong when I say a preacher is greedy, ignorant of Scripture, or deceitful when teaching a monetary tithe.

Where are those verses that prove me wrong, Salyan. Don't just say I am wrong, present the proof that I am.

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Jesus identified religious leaders as hypocrites (and other harsh words) when they were wrong.

Unless you can prove me wrong with Scripture, (that doesn't mean taking them out of context ) you can't prove me wrong when I say a preacher is greedy, ignorant of Scripture, or deceitful when teaching a monetary tithe. 

Where are those verses that prove me wrong, Salyan. Don't just say I am wrong, present the proof that I am.

 

Sigh. Actually, I didn't say your statements concerning the tithing question were wrong. I was pointing out that your attitude is wrong.  

 

You want verses? Okay...

 

 

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. Col. 4:6

 

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Matt. 7:1-5

 

Put on therefore, as the elect of God... kindness... Col. 3:12

 

And be ye kind one to another... Eph. 4:32

 

I cannot prove your cruel, false words about godly men to be wrong, because you will not be proven wrong! But your refusal to listen to others does not make your statements correct.  You want to be proven wrong? Come up here and meet my pastor.

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The Scriptures teach otherwise.  However, the Holy Spirit may place a burden to give offerings for other things, such as missions or to help a struggling family member.  The tithe is for the storehouse, your offerings can be given as the Lord leads through the Holy Ghost.

Do you attend the Jewish temple under the Old Covenant where a storehouse existed and used for the support of the priesthood and needy? Jesus fulfilled the law, the Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant, the temple and priesthood system has been replaced by local churches and pastors.

 

Scripture commands that Christians are to give in accord with the will of God, out of love, doing so cheerfully and out of their abundance; which means those with more should give more. Christians are called to give to their home church, to support missionaries, to care for the poor and needy, and to provide for not only their immediate family, but also their extended family which is in need.

 

As the preacher told the man who worked for Coke during the Great Depression when he bragged about always giving a tithe and complained that some in the church gave exceedingly little or even nothing (due to the fact they had no jobs); that this man was not fulfilling his Christian duty. He told the man that in times of abundance, the Christian is called to give more. When those who have abundance give abundantly that makes up for the lack of those with nothing.

 

The Lord knows all things and when we seek His guidance He will direct us as to how much we should give. The Lord may guide one man to put 5 dollars in the collection, another 50, another 500 and yet another 5,000. If each does as the Lord told them, each of them is in the will of God, no more, no less.

 

The New Covenant says our giving is not to be by compulsion, which means there can be no "you are required to give 'X' amount. We are also told our giving should be between us and the Lord, not a matter we tell others about, not the pastor, not our friends or enemies, not the government. Our giving is primarily a spiritual matter between us and the Lord.

 

If the Word is properly preached, if folks are properly discipled, if the congregation is properly led to grow in Christ and they are doing so, there is no need for a pastor to plead for money or complain about the amount of giving. If we are walking right with the Lord, we will be giving in accord with His leading, out of hearts filled with love, gratitude, joy and cheerfulness. Then the local church will be fully supplied and well able to carry out the tasks the Lord has for that church.

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The Scriptures teach otherwise.  However, the Holy Spirit may place a burden to give offerings for other things, such as missions or to help a struggling family member.  The tithe is for the storehouse, your offerings can be given as the Lord leads through the Holy Ghost.

Where's the storehouse?

 

The storehouse is not the church house.

 

The fact is, there is no storehouse today.  The storehouse was located in Jerusalem in the Temple.  As of 70AD, there is no more Temple. 

 

The church does not store their "alleged" tithes in chambers in the church as the Levites stored their tithes (crops, flocks, and livestock) in the Temple storehouse chambers, until 70AD.

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Maybe this one won't. Maybe, just maybe, we can continue to post the truth as it is written in God's Word.

Of course, there's always the chance that some will not want the truth to continue because it

1. Allows them to see that they have been deceived for years. (No one likes to admit that)
2. Reveals their pastor, whether intentionally or unintentionally, has deceived them for years.
3. Reveals that they are not studying the Word of God enough.

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Seem like most of my post are getting lock. :(

That's a bummer. If you see one of your threads getting off track, or any folks posting in ways the Mods might pounce on, take the opportunity to post about this, asking posters to focus, post kindly, avoid personal attacks, including personal digs, and such.

 

Most threads get locked because of unkind, uncivil posts that carry one between two or more posters. You have the power to help police your own threads by trying to head such off.

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SFIC, I did produce some scriptures, and you totally explained them away.  The Jews of the O.T. were mostly who occupied Israel, so of course they were talking to the Jews! Duh!  But is pointing that out, you seem to say that the O.T. is not for us, the church (as you stated outright) or Christian people.  Do you believe that the Old Testament is the Word of God?  If so, it is given to all peoples everywhere, and forever.

 

There are no verses as you demand other than those I cited, but there are none that are contrary to it either.  Since you claim tithing was under the law, we both know that it preceded the law, and was therefore overlapped, and adopted into the law, but since it precedes the law, it is a principle carried over (since nothing has been said to tithe or not to tithe in the New Testament according to you)

 

The verse in the New Testament were speaking to the Jews, yes, but we are all spiritual Jews (Gal. 3) and the seed of Abraham.  The judicial laws have been annulled, and many of the traditions and types (that are not necessary today), but the tithe is not a part of those.

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Three "observances" that were prior to the law being instituted, and they also became part of the law.

 

1.  Tithing (Genesis 14:18-20)

2.  Circumcision (Genesis 17:9-14)

3.  Keeping the Sabbath (Exodus 16:23-30)

 

The law was given to Israel in Exodus 20.

 

If we use the "tithing pre-dates the law" argument for why we should tithe today, why do we not also use the same argument for requiring circumcision and keeping the Sabbath today?

 

Please forgive me...I'm working from memory here...but I don't recall where keeping the Sabbath or circumcision were definitively declared to no longer be observed.  I know Paul basically said that circumcision doesn't profit you anything, but I can't recall that the New Testament says that people are no longer to observe the Sabbath or circumcision (if I'm wrong, please correct me).

 

Don't get me wrong...I'm in no way, shape, or form saying that we should observe the Sabbath or require circumcision...just pointing out what I see as a weakness in the "pre-law argument".

 

Though they aren't "forbidden" (if I'm right), they have been replaced with something better.

 

All three "Pre-law observances" have been replaced with something better.

 

1.  The Sabbath has been replaced with the Lord's day.

2.  Circumcision has been replaced with faith.

3.  Tithing has been replaced with "as you purpose in your heart" and "as God prospers you".

 

As Christians, we have no specific guideline in the New Testament other than those for giving. Yes, both guidelines were in relation to special offerings, but that's still the only guidelines we have.

 

I truly believe in my heart that if people gave according to those guidelines, the offerings would far surpass what tithing would bring in...but that's me.   :)

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SFIC, I did produce some scriptures, and you totally explained them away.  The Jews of the O.T. were mostly who occupied Israel, so of course they were talking to the Jews! Duh!  But is pointing that out, you seem to say that the O.T. is not for us, the church (as you stated outright) or Christian people.  Do you believe that the Old Testament is the Word of God?  If so, it is given to all peoples everywhere, and forever.

 

There are no verses as you demand other than those I cited, but there are none that are contrary to it either.  Since you claim tithing was under the law, we both know that it preceded the law, and was therefore overlapped, and adopted into the law, but since it precedes the law, it is a principle carried over (since nothing has been said to tithe or not to tithe in the New Testament according to you)

 

The verse in the New Testament were speaking to the Jews, yes, but we are all spiritual Jews (Gal. 3) and the seed of Abraham.  The judicial laws have been annulled, and many of the traditions and types (that are not necessary today), but the tithe is not a part of those.

The Old Testament clearly tells us that the tithe was agricultural in nature.  It was not money. 

That is what you appear to have such a hard time understanding.  There is no Scripture whatsoever that says the tithe was to be money.  To say we are to tithe money is to add to the Word of God.

God said He gave His Holy tithe to the Levites.  From what I understand, there are still Levites living on the Earth today.  Since there are still Levites, if tithes were still to be received, it would be the Levites who are to be the recipients of the tithe.  Not Pastor so-and-so who is a Gentile Believer.  Unless you can provide the verse that says God gave the tithe to Churches in other countries, you are merely denying the Word of God.

Numbers 18:24-26 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

The reason I explained the verses you gave away is because as anyone can see, they say nothing of a tithe for Gentile Believers whatsoever. 
You say the Old Testament still applies today.  Tell me, Irishman, when is the last time you heard of the Elders of your tribe stoning a rebellious child?  If you have not, why not?  After all, the Old Testament is for us as you claim.   

The truth is the Old Testament is for our learning, but not all commands of the Old Testament are for the New Testament believer.  The Laws that were written in the Old Testament were to the children of Israel... not to us.  And Peter and James both said the same thing at the Jerusalem Council that I am saying here now. 

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to the Apostles that no greater burden be put upon the Gentile Converts than four necessary things.  Too bad the Holy Ghost didn't seek consultation from Irishman, eh?  You would certainly have set Him straight.


Sorry Irishman, but the tithe was not for us.  God's Word says He gave it to Israel.  God's Word later tells us that He abolished the tithe.  You are fighting against the Word of God,.


The Levirate marriage was prior to the Law and was carried into the Law.  Would you advocate I marry my deceased brothers wife seeing they had no children? 
God told Hosea to marry a harlot.  Would you balk if your son came home one day with a prostitute and said he was going to marry her?  Something tells me you would.

As I said, the Old Testament is there for our learning.  It's commands are not for us, nor are the blessings and cursings that God gave to Israel. 
Rightly dividing might be a class you would benefit from.  Then again, you might argue with the Teacher, so maybe not.



 

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Unless you can prove me wrong

 

you can't prove me wrong 

Where are those verses that prove me wrong, Salyan. Don't just say I am wrong, present the proof that I am.

 

Nobody has been able to sway you in anything SFIC, Your moniker should be SFIP, P for Pride.  

 

Folks present scripture time and again and you swipe their verses right off the table and declare their failure to back up their case.  You my friend, suffer from pride and it's blinding you.  Maybe or maybe not from this issue, but your blinded by pride nonetheless.

 

You owe many folks here an apology for your comments towards them too.

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Because I stand for what the Bible teaches I am prideful? 

Sorry swathdiver.  But you are dead wrong on that one. 

Perhaps it is you who is guilty of pride.  Too proud to admit that the Word of God nowhere teaches the saved of Christ to tithe their money to the Church.  Too proud to admit that the monetary tithe taught today is a man-made doctrine that the Church pushes off as being the Word of God.

Where are these verses that prove me wrong, swathdiver?  Tell you what, to be fair, I will go back and copy every verse that has been used in this thread. 

Then, you can apologize to me for the false accusations.

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