Jump to content
  • Welcome to Online Baptist

    Free to join.

Donald

An Error Taught By Many

Recommended Posts

Normally I would not have started a thread in this part of this site, because the point of any thread is to minister to as many people as possible: Therefore I had questioned the wisdom of this site(and others like it), for even having parts of their site unavailable to everyone.

But this morning I saw the light, when the Lord gave me “this subject” to post about.
This is something that every IFB needs to hear, while those who are not IFB, don’t need to hear; Because it could to turn them away from IFB Churches.
------------------------
The subject of this thread is money.
I having been an pastor for 25 years or so and an IFB pastor for c.20 years, but I had never sat(as a member), in an IFB Church.  (If you want me to explain this I will later).

But the Lord has seen fit, to place me as a “member” of a good IFB Church for the last year and a half or so.  I don’t know exactly what the LORD is up to, by not opening a door for me to pastor my own Church during this time, but every day I keep reminding myself, that “The Lord knows what He is doing”!  Anyway, it’s been a good year and a half for my wife and myself, because we are still in the center of God’s will and am still being wonderfully blessed by Him: And praise the Lord I am ministering more than ever through my job and daily visits to a local college.

One of the areas in which we are being blessed, is in the good preaching we are hearing(for the most part) from the pulpit, and also “some” of the practical things we are learning, about the workings of an IFB Church.  Now don’t get me wrong; For 20 years I had also been in God’s will, as I pastured IFB Churches, but they had not been a “carbon copy” of other IFB Churches because I had never sat under an IFB pastor.

Now, I can get a little closer to the point of this thread.
My pastor is a good man: And even though we are not on the same page in every area, I generally get a blessing from his messages.
But.... he has a problem, in the area of money!

I won’t go into every detail of “this problem”, because space would not allow it.
But recently he completed a series of “talks” on Sunday night about the personal finances of the members of his Church; And during the 6 or 7 weeks of this series, the Lord has revealed a lot of things to my heart(none of which were the intent of his talks).

His intent was made clear, from beginning to end.  Basically he taught(and believes), that “gain is Godliness” and that if you are not “well to do” financially, than something is wrong in your life and in your walk with the Lord!  He believes that every “good Christian” will drive a nice car and have a nice house and be out of debt and will always pay all of his bills on time etc.
And he bases this belief upon God’s promise to bless us for our faithfulness.....
“Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.” (Luke 6:38)

Although this is one of his favorite verses to quote; he seems to be blind to others....
“Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?” (James 2:5)

“Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.”
(Matthew 19:21)


“For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.” (Matthew 26:11)
....along with thousands of other Scriptures.
------------------------
Now although this is bad enough, it goes further.  He regularly “tweaks” other Scripture passages, to make them apply to money, when they don’t really have anything to do with “filthy lucre” at all.

Sure enough, during this series on “our personal finances”, I had come very close to leaving this Church, but the Lord would not give me permission.  As I said before, I trust that “the Lord knows what He is doing”, and this morning, I realized that my son(who lives on the other side of the country), who also attends a solid IFB Church, might be being exposed to this same kind of error.  As I began to consider the kind of warnings I might give to him, I thought about all the people that log on to this site and what I could say to warn you.

One more thing; During my years as a pastor I had received a lot of literature from IFB Churches and pastors and had noticed a preoccupation with money with most of them. Also, during my time in this Church, we have had several guest speakers, who seem to have fallen into the same error as my pastor and seem to echo some of the same tripe that he preaches. Therefore it could be that this problem is so widespread, that I will get an avalanche criticism and maybe even be kicked off of this site.

Please don’t do that.  If you think I am wrong, lets talk about it in light of Scripture and see who God agrees with.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

With that thinking there must have been a lot of bad Christians living under the Iron Curtain or under Nazi rule where a found potato and some nuts gathered after passing through a minefield was meal for the whole family (7).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Blessings from God is not always financial. With that thinking, I guess Job was a Godly man until he lost everything. So if that is what your pastor was saying, I disagree with it.

 

 

Therefore it could be that this problem is so widespread, that I will get an avalanche criticism and maybe even be kicked off of this site.

BTW: Nobody gets the boot for disagreeing here. It always is about the attitude of the poster. 

 

My pastor is a good man: And even though we are not on the same page in every area, I generally get a blessing from his messages.

But.... he has a problem, in the area of money!

Does not every single one of us have a problem in a certain area? I would hope that if your pastor publicly posted "your" problem from his eyes that you would take it in the same manner as you posting his. Not meant to criticize you or anyone, just to make us think. 

 

 

This is not limited to the IFB, ever seen the preachers on tv? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello Matt

My pastor is not “computer savvy” so I strongly doubt that he will ever find this site or my thread.  I hope that I would never publically criticize my pastor or Church, in a way that could hurt them in any way.

As for being publically criticized myself; That is what I am here for.
My hope and prayer, is that if I am WRONG in any area of my thinking or behavior, that I am informed about it, so that I can get right.......
“For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.” (1 Corinthians 11:31)
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Donald, that sounds like prosperity preaching I've heard on TBN. People get into money trouble all the time but God doesn't say he'll take care of every want but our needs, the only things we NEED are shelter, food, clothing, the rest are wants and desires.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Matthew 17

27. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up ; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take , and give unto them for me and thee. 

Too poor to pay his taxes.

 

Matthew 8

And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Luke 9

And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Too poor to own a home.

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is this guy on TV who sends/sells miracle water. At first it was suppose to heal the sick. Now a days it makes people rich. I guess they rub it on their check book. :laff cry: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We believe in tithing and giving sacrificially to God as a family. However I think even I have been guilty of falling into the trap of believing that giving sacrificially will have God blessing financially in return.

Right now we are going through a really rough time financially, but are still giving sacrificially to God. My husband had to correct my thinking by reminding us that God is still meeting all of our needs and that we are giving to Him what He laid on his heart to give, and we must obey God.

My husband is a pastor and he does not preach that God will make you rich if you give. He does preach that God will meet your needs if you put Him first and give to Him in many ways...time, talents, money. I think sometimes in America we think "meeting needs" means something different than it really means. I know I'm guilty of it many times (thinking I need more than I really do.)

One of my biggest struggles is the idea of financial stability, probably because I grew up in a very financially stable home. My dad had faith in God for a lot of things, but finances was not one of them...he was very self-made financially. So I struggle with that aspect of faith. Anyway that's rambling. I personally don't know of any IFB churches who preach that God will give you a nice car and home if you give.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote: "Although this is one of his favorite verses to quote; he seems to be blind to others....
“Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?” (James 2:5)

“Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.”
(Matthew 19:21)


“For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.” (Matthew 26:11)
....along with thousands of other Scriptures" (end of quote)

 

One must be careful both ways.  What I mean is that there are many verses and passages (Psa. 1:1-3 for example) where the Lord does give his blessing to those who seek Him and keep His commandments.  Of course that isn't merely financial blessing, but I believe that is included in the success He promised Joseph (everything he put his hand to prospered) and Joshua who was promise "good success" if he kept God's laws.  (Josh. 1:.8)

 

I do not promote prosperity preaching, it is taking the promises to an extreme.  In 2 Chron. 26:5 we see that Uzziah prospered "As long as he sought the Lord" and it was the Lord that made him prosper.  There are several other verses one could cite. Our Lord said that the poor would always be with us, sure, but that does not mean he recommended us to live in poverty, on the contrary, I believe that the Lord wants us to prosper, financially, socially, mentally, physically, and especially spiritually.  He always wants what is best for us.

 

This is not meant for debate, but while we critique those who promote a prosperity gospel, we cannot ignore the other side of the coin.

 

Praise the Lord for His wonderful grace.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irishman I do definitely believe God blesses some with wealth. I know and am related to several people who have honored God and they have plenty of money and to spare.

On the other hand, we are in ministry and it is pretty well known that those in ministry usually do not have much money. It must be God's way of making sure we have extra faith. haha.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Donald, that sounds like prosperity preaching I've heard on TBN. People get into money trouble all the time but God doesn't say he'll take care of every want but our needs, the only things we NEED are shelter, food, clothing, the rest are wants and desires.

I've heard many IFBs over the years preach along these lines. Most of the ones I heard went something like, "If you tithe faithfully and give even more then God will make sure you have more than enough money." Many go on to add something about folks who are not doing well financially need to tithe faithfully and give more so God will bless them financially.

 

Many IFB sermons on money I've heard sounded much like many I've heard from Pentacostals or Charismatics.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've heard many IFBs over the years preach along these lines. Most of the ones I heard went something like, "If you tithe faithfully and give even more then God will make sure you have more than enough money." Many go on to add something about folks who are not doing well financially need to tithe faithfully and give more so God will bless them financially.

Many IFB sermons on money I've heard sounded much like many I've heard from Pentacostals or Charismatics.

Most Baptists are unaware of the fact that the Baptist Pastors never taught the monetary tithe until the mid-1900's. Prior to that, they taught the truth. Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've heard many IFBs over the years preach along these lines. Most of the ones I heard went something like, "If you tithe faithfully and give even more then God will make sure you have more than enough money." Many go on to add something about folks who are not doing well financially need to tithe faithfully and give more so God will bless them financially.

 

Many IFB sermons on money I've heard sounded much like many I've heard from Pentacostals or Charismatics.

I've also heard this preached from IFB pulpits: "For those who say they can't afford to tithe, I (the preacher) would ask....can you afford to be cursed?" 

 

Where does it say in the NT church epistles that a born again Christian is "cursed" for not tithing?  Didn't Jesus Christ become a curse to redeem us from the curse of the law?

 

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

Malachi 3:8-10 was not written to the church.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think this is about the tithe specifically so much as it is about whether or not God promises to bless believers financially - ever! Let's not hijack the thread.

The tithe aspect I mentioned because that's how I've heard IFB pastors raise the issue of prosperity for believers. They teach specifically that if a Christian tithes, and gives more afterward, then they will be blessed financially. Along with this is the teaching that if they don't tithe, God "will get His tithe" in some other way; at which point some IFB pastors start talking about God taking His tithe by causing non-tithing believers cars to break down, or to have a serious health problem, or lose their jobs.

 

Thus far, I've never heard an IFB pastor preach on this aspect without using the tithe as their basis for why the congregation would be financially rewarded by God, or punished by God.

 

Some pastors go so far as to accuse poorer members of their church of not tithing, even when they are giving a tenth each Sunday, saying that if they were truly tithing they would have more money. That's not right on many levels.

 

I've heard IFB pastors give virtually the same sermon on this issue that is heard from some of the TV prosperity preachers. They tell believers to tithe and God will bless them a hundred fold. Then they tell them to keep tithing after they get more money and God will keep increasing their money a hundredfold.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It amazes me that American Christianity is so deceived in this area.

 

Try going to India, Africa, or many other places in which the Christians live in absolute poverty.  Try telling them that it's God's will for them to be healthy and wealthy.  Tell them that God wants them to drive a new car and live in a mansion.  If God is has no respect of persons, shouldn't he do the same for them?

 

Let's get down to where the rubber meets the road...

 

1Tim 6:5
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 

God says that we are to withdraw ourselves from anyone who teaches that gain (acquiring money) is godliness.  That's what prosperity gospel preachers teach when they proclaim that it's God's will for you to be wealthy.  However, people love it, and rather than withdrawing from it, they embrace it.

To a certain extent I agree, but then it depends on how that is actually put forward. Some preach "wealth" as in millionaire type wealth, while others teach the "wealth" means having all your needs met with money left over to help others.

 

There have been cases in Africa where the latter sort of "prosperity preaching" has led to many coming to the Lord. These people had lived in poverty, suffered war and corrupt governments, and had never heard a positive message from God. Then they heard that God loves them, heard the Gospel, and also heard that God cared about their needs, his promise to meet their needs, and that God does reward those who follow Him.

 

Oftentimes too many things get lumped together when they are not the same, and that's true sometimes when it comes to "prosperity preachers/teachings", which seems to be something Irishman was addressing in another post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In my experience there is a great need to preach about Biblical financial principles, but 'prosperity Gospel' in any form is not Biblical.
God actually says things like:
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
God promises to watch over us and help us in time of trouble but not to make us rich.
Look at Paul.... as a pharisee he was guaranteed a Respected,wealthy,comfortable life, but by submitting to God's will he got poverty, prison, and persecution.

But the Bible does have a lot to say about financial management.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems that my post has been taken to mean tithes (which I do believe in by the way), but I believe I said that it is not merely financial success, but physical, mental, social etc,

 

Consider Abraham's servant: Gen 24:56  "And he said unto them, Hinder me not, seeing the LORD hath prospered my way; send me away that I may go to my master"

 

There are many examples of men that prospered in various ways, but I believe it also includes monetarily.  As someone put it in an earlier post, not millionaire type prosperity, but enough to pay debts and give to others.  That is one of the keys to prosperity, giving to others.

 

Gen 39:3 "And his master saw that the LORD was with him, and that the LORD made all that he did to prosper in his hand."  God made "all that {Joseph} did to prosper.

 

As I said, there are many verses to support this.

 

Deu 29:9  "Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do."

 

Guess what?  Most of them have the stipulation of doing right, seeking God's will, or being "upright" in all we do.

 


Whoever wrote this in my post, please consider:

 

“Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?” (James 2:5)

 

God chose who would be poor, just as he decided not to heal Paul's thorn in the flesh, even though He promises us good health.

And “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.”
(Matthew 19:21)

 

He was speaking to a man that trusted in his wealth, and not in the Lord--and He knew who He was addressing.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some preach "wealth" as in millionaire type wealth, while others teach the "wealth" means having all your needs met with money left over to help others.

 

I've never heard "wealth" taught or preached as meaning to have your needs met with money left over to help others...I'm not saying people haven't preached that in relation to wealth...I've just never heard it.

 

God promised to take care of our needs.  If he blesses some with material gain, he has a reason for doing so; however, he also has a reason for not blessing others with the same.  We should glorify him for the fact that he will supply our needs and be content in whatever our situation may be...

 

Phil 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
 
1Tim 6:6-9
6   But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7   For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8   And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9   But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
 
Heb 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
 
There were poor Christians from the beginning of the church until now...
 
Acts 2:44-45
44   And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45   And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
 
Rom 15:25-26
25   But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26   For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
 

Yes, God will take care of the needs of any of his children (no matter where on earth they may live), but we aren't promised financial gain.

 

I heard Creflo Dollar once say that it was ridiculous how so many people claim that Jesus was poor.  His "proof" for saying that Jesus wasn't poor was because the Bible says that they had to carry a purse...if Jesus was poor, they wouldn't have needed a purse to carry all the money in.            :jaw:       :nuts:  

 


 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've never heard "wealth" taught or preached as meaning to have your needs met with money left over to help others...I'm not saying people haven't preached that in relation to wealth...I've just never heard it.

 

God promised to take care of our needs.  If he blesses some with material gain, he has a reason for doing so; however, he also has a reason for not blessing others with the same.  We should glorify him for the fact that he will supply our needs and be content in whatever our situation may be...

 

Phil 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
 
1Tim 6:6-9
6   But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7   For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8   And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9   But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
 
Heb 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
 
There were poor Christians from the beginning of the church until now...
 
Acts 2:44-45
44   And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45   And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
 
Rom 15:25-26
25   But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26   For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
 

Yes, God will take care of the needs of any of his children (no matter where on earth they may live), but we aren't promised financial gain.

 

I heard Creflo Dollar once say that it was ridiculous how so many people claim that Jesus was poor.  His "proof" for saying that Jesus wasn't poor was because the Bible says that they had to carry a purse...if Jesus was poor, they wouldn't have needed a purse to carry all the money in.            :jaw:       :nuts:  

 

 

I agree, we are to be content whether rich, poor or in between.

 

I also believe it's wrong for pastors, whether IFB or others, to outright declare that if they tithe they will prosper and if they don't they will be punished or cursed of God.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Proverbs 30

8.Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9.Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe in return for your financial sacrifice God will bless you with poverty? Anyone ever think of that? Wasn't Jesus, Paul, Peter and millions of other dirt poor throughout history blessed of God? There's probably been more poor Christians throughout the last 2,000 years than middle class and well to do combined. That's a good crowd to be associated with.

Edited by ASongOfDegrees

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That teaching is an error.  The bible is clear on seeking riches, whether it be carnally or even anticipating that God guarantees you to have it, if you follow HIm.

 

(Matt 6:19 [KJV])
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

(Matt 6:20 [KJV])
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

(Matt 6:21 [KJV])
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(Matt 6:22 [KJV])
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

(Matt 6:23 [KJV])
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

(Matt 6:24 [KJV])
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The next verses show that men would rather keep hold of riches that they have, instead of following Christ. Jesus does say that with God it is possible that a rich man can be saved.

 

(Mark 10:17 [KJV])
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

(Mark 10:18 [KJV])
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

(Mark 10:19 [KJV])
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

(Mark 10:20 [KJV])
And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

(Mark 10:21 [KJV])
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

(Mark 10:22 [KJV])
And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

(Mark 10:23 [KJV])
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mark 10:24 [KJV])
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mark 10:25 [KJV])
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Mark 10:26 [KJV])
And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

(Mark 10:27 [KJV])
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

 

Here is a parable of what riches and cares of this world can do to those who hear the gospel.

 

 

(Matt 13:22 [KJV])
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

(Mark 4:18 [KJV])
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

 

(Mark 4:19 [KJV])
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

 

(Luke 8:14 [KJV])
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.


Jesus also taught that God will provide for your needs. 
 

(Luke 12:22 [KJV])
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.

(Luke 12:23 [KJV])
The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.

(Luke 12:24 [KJV])
Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

(Luke 12:25 [KJV])
And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?

(Luke 12:26 [KJV])
If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?

(Luke 12:27 [KJV])
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

(Luke 12:28 [KJV])
If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?

(Luke 12:29 [KJV])
And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.

(Luke 12:30 [KJV])
For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.

(Luke 12:31 [KJV])
But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

(Luke 12:32 [KJV])
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

(Luke 12:33 [KJV])
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

(Luke 12:34 [KJV])
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

God does not frown upon those who are rich in the world. However, they are admonished not to trust in uncertain riches. Does this mean gambling, lotteries ect...?  Joseph of Arimathaea is a good example of a rich Christian.

 

(1Tim 6:17 [KJV])
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

(1Tim 6:18 [KJV])
That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

(1Tim 6:19 [KJV])
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Then there is that apostle called a devil and a thief who had problem with the wrong treasure and you can see where his heart was.

 

(John 12:3 [KJV])
Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

(John 12:4 [KJV])
Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

(John 12:5 [KJV])
Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

(John 12:6 [KJV])
This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It amazes me that American Christianity is so deceived in this area.

 

Try going to India, Africa, or many other places in which the Christians live in absolute poverty.  Try telling them that it's God's will for them to be healthy and wealthy.  Tell them that God wants them to drive a new car and live in a mansion.  If God is has no respect of persons, shouldn't he do the same for them?

 

Let's get down to where the rubber meets the road...

 

1Tim 6:5
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 

God says that we are to withdraw ourselves from anyone who teaches that gain (acquiring money) is godliness.  That's what prosperity gospel preachers teach when they proclaim that it's God's will for you to be wealthy.  However, people love it, and rather than withdrawing from it, they embrace it.

 

Amen & amen!

 

I believe many pastors loves to cater to those who have more so than those who have little, for if they do it might mean more gain for them.

 

And even in many churches with the name Baptist on them there's many who loves the prosperity & feel good message.

 

Once several years ago in a Sunday school class at a church I had been asked to preach that Sunday a man said, "God has blessed me very much financial because I've been a very good Christian. And he will do the same for anyone else."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've heard "if you don't tithe, God will get his money by the doctor(and mechanic) " so many times.

 

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

 

God doesn't need our money...He just wants us to be givers, like He is..

Edited by heartstrings

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Similar Content

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 29 Guests (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online

Article Categories

About Us

Since 2001, Online Baptist has been an Independent Baptist website, and we exclusively use the King James Version of the Bible. We pride ourselves on a community that uplifts the Lord.

Contact Us

You can contact us using the following link. Contact Us or for questions regarding this website please contact @pastormatt or email James Foley at jfoley@sisqtel.net

Android App

Online Baptist has a custom App for all android users. You can download it from the Google Play store or click the following icon.

×
×
  • Create New...