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The following was penned down by a well respected affiate of one of my ministries.

 

"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity: and in sin did my mother conceive me." - Psalms 51:5

There has of late been some discussion as to the destination of those who die in their infancy, before they are old enough to understand Jesus. Of course, the feel-good, tree-hugging, whale-loving liberals assert that God couldn't possibly send babies to hell as this would be "unfair" or "cruel", and that by some mysterious loophole in the rules for Salvation God allows those who are too young to be "accountable" into Heaven, no questions asked.

As usual, the position of the lieberals in this debate finds no support whatsoever in the Scriptures. The Bible is clear - EVERYONE who has not accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour by the time they die goes straight to the fiery bowels of hell, no exceptions and NO EXCUSES.

Relative to the argument that babies do not go to hell is the false belief that babies and infants are innocent, because they are not old enough to sin. This is utter nonsense. Central to the teachings of Christianity is the proposition that the guilt of Adam derived from the original sin is passed down through the blood through each generation (Genesis 5:3). Our ancestor was Adam - He rebelled against God. That's enough. Since the fall, we are guilty for even existing. You don't know much about Christian theology if you don't know that.

It is not a matter of choosing to rebel against God when we are old enough to drink and drive. If it was a choice entirely dependent on free will, then chances are some people would choose not to rebel. It would probably work out about 50/50. But the Bible says that the whole human race, every individual who has ever lived and ever will live deserves to go to hell (and that even includes you, my esteemed fellow true Christians). As the theologian John Calvin demonstrated, there is nothing whatsoever that we can do by our own free will to get saved. Nothing! The only way to get saved is to get Grace, and you can only get Grace if God decides to give it to you. The sign of having Grace is a compulsion within your heart to accept Jesus and a miraculous ability to believe in every word of the Bible (have you ever tried to FORCE yourself to believe in something? Hold a gun to someone's head and demand they believe that the earth is flat, or that unicorns exist. It is impossible - no matter how hard the person tries. Belief is NOT subject to will power).

We are ALL tainted with sin from the moment of conception (Psalms 24:4) and we need the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ to wash away our sins in the eyes of the Lord. So until the born again experience happens, Salvation is not possible. Therefore, babies and unborn babies who die go straight to hell.

You might think that this is "unfair", but it's not unfair at all. Those who do not have the opportunity to receive salvation, who never in their lifetimes hear the gospel preached (eg babies and savages living in jungles), obviously were Predestined by God to go to hell. God makes sure that His elect are able to hear the gospel preached to them during their lifetimes, in order to give them an opportunity which He knows they will take advantage of. But with a lot of the reprobate, He decided not to bother letting them hear the gospel because He had already decided to send them to Hell anyway. God knows everything, so if a baby dies, God obviously allowed that baby to die because He knew that if it had lived it would have grown up to be a sinner.

A liberal so called "Christian" I once conversed with, recounted the Old Testament story of a father who was promised that he would be reunited with his dead son, who died in infancy. But the important point to remember here is that this occured in the OLD Testamant. Before Jesus, the requirements for Salvation were very different. Obviously Moses did not go to hell eventhough He never accepted Jesus as his Saviour - he could not have done, as Jesus had not been born at that stage. In Old Testament times, to belong to the Jewish race (God's chosen people) was sufficient qualification to ensure a place in Heaven, so long as you did not break the laws of the Prophets. But since the New Testament, it is imperative to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven.

Furthermore, one of my associates presented a very simple tongue-in-cheek argument that if death in infancy ensures salvation then it is a very good idea to kill babies. The vast majority of the human race at present is NOT made up of true Christians (Bible-believing fundamentalists), so for a new born, odds are that he or she will grow up to become part of the hellbound majority. Death in infancy, therefore, would guard against that risk, and would be a small price to pay to ensure eternal bliss as opposed to eternal misery and torture.

To suggest that God makes exceptions to the rule that you must believe in Jesus to get into heaven, based on age or any other reason is to make a mockery of the whole notion of Salvation. It is either necessary to believe in Jesus, or it isn't. If God is going to make exceptions then it obviously isn't necessary. If God is going to allow unsaved babies to go to heaven by default then He is just playing games with us and Jesus isn't necessary at all. It would be better, in that case, to go and live in some remote community in some obsure, primitive country and have a great time sinning all you like. At death, you will end up in heaven anyway if God can see that you have never been told about Jesus and the Bible.

Babies, and young children who die before they are old enough to understand the gospels and worship Jesus, unfortunately go straight to Hell. This is a Bible fact, and anybody who disagrees is guilty of heresy.
I trust that I have sucessfully refuted the heresies of the lieberal element that have been smearing the internet with their new-age, pluralist (aka satanic) lies.

On a final note, I would like to add that the thought of all those screaming infants in hell is enough to make you want to avoid the place at all costs, if you needed any more encouragement!

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God does not send those who have not the ability to understand that they're lost nor the ability to understand the Gospel to the depths of Hell.

Then elaborate on this point!

 

Furthermore, one of my associates presented a very simple tongue-in-cheek argument that if death in infancy ensures salvation then it is a very good idea to kill babies. The vast majority of the human race at present is NOT made up of true Christians (Bible-believing fundamentalists), so for a new born, odds are that he or she will grow up to become part of the hellbound majority. Death in infancy, therefore, would guard against that risk, and would be a small price to pay to ensure eternal bliss as opposed to eternal misery and torture.

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Oh, dear. Besides the obvious attention-getting subject, there's so much wrong in this post's soteriology it's hard to know where to start! :(

As far as the idea that one is compelled to salvation, and that belief is not subject to will power..

Revelation 22:17 (KJV)
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Romans 10:13 (KJV)
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

As for the idea that salvation in the OT was ever by anything but faith...

Romans 4 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 [saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression. 16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Deacon, would you please stop posting these volatile posts to get rises out of people? If you wish to discuss the Bible in sincerity, by all means do so. Biblical discussions are always welcome here. Baiting and trolling are not.

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John the Baptist, upon hearing Mary's voice, leapt in his mother's womb.  There was something about Mary's voice that caused the babe to leap. 

I believe that instance is proof that, even in the womb, infants are capable of learning.

This has also been proven by studies at Duke University in North Carolina.  Mothers to be read books aloud up to the time the infant was born into the world.  When the infant would cry, the mothers were told to read different books than the ones they read for months prior to the baby being born. 

Guess what?  The babies continued to cry.  But when the mothers would pick up and read the books she read while pregnant, her reading had a soothing effect and the baby would stop crying.

Clearly, infants are capable of learning.  If  a godly parent speaks of Jesus while that baby is in the womb, there is a strong possibility that that baby may begin to rely on that name, trusting that name to bring peace when it is frightened.  Hearing Scripture while in the womb could have influence on the infant... even in that stage of its growth. 

That said, it is possible that an infant who dies in infancy may go to heaven.  But, if it is never taught of Christ, Scripture never read to it, it is also possible that that infant that dies in that state may end up in an eternal hell.

Jesus said, No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.  I believe that applies for all, man, woman, child, and yes... even infant.

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Many believe David was speaking of meeting his child in heaven when he proclaimed, "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

I am not totally convinced David was speaking of seeing his son in heaven.  If that were the case, why get cleaned up and strengthen the body with nourishment?  Why not just continue starving to ensure death and reuniting with the child?

I believe David was saying he would go and tend to the body of the child.  Nothing more.

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No one said infants cannot learn, of course they can learn, & as they get older they can earn even more & understand more things. And at an early age is the time to start teaching them to behave, & not wait till they're teenagers as some do.

 

Yet as for as understanding they're lost & in need of a Savior, no, they cannot understand this. Of course some will be able to understand it at an earlier age than others. And of course God knows when they reach the age that they can understand the Gospel & reject the Savior Jesus & or accept Him as Savior. Of course we cannot know for sure when they reach that age for we are not like God, we cannot read the heart as He can.

 

I see you fail to understand just what David meant, but believe what you want to, but David was saying I cannot bring the baby back, I shall go to him upon my death, & of course David was speaking about Heaven.

 

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

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As I said earlier...

I do not believe David was speaking of meeting the child after death.  If he were, he could have just continued to starve himself to death.

No, he got cleaned up, ate, and went to the child... just as he told his servants he would.

 

Really??  ..."I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."  David is explaining to his servants that his fasting won't bring the baby back to him so it is pointless to fast anymore.  If he was just going to see a dead body, he wouldn't have to explain to his servants that the baby can't come back to him.  They didn't just finish watching Stephen Kings "Pet Cemetary" and have the need to be told babies don't come back to life.  When you comfort someone who just lost a loved one and you tell them, "you will see them again" do you hurry up and explain to them that you are talking about in heaven and not the dead body at a funeral home?  Or are you talking about the dead body at the funeral home and is this actually supposed to bring comfort? 

 

"I don't need to mourn anymore because that wont bring my child back, but I can get back to my daily duties because I will see the child again and this provides comfort."   Does this statement really sound like someone that is going to see a dead body at a funeral home????

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God is a just God.  He has more love and compassion for young children and babies than we could ever hope to have.  If His eye is on the sparrow, we know His eyes are on the little children and babies and that is comfort enough.  He will take care of them the best way they need to be...maybe unbeknownst to us...but than do we have to know everything?  How arrogant. 

 

We can not go to heaven unless our righteousness exceeds the pharisees.  If we are saved, it does.  Jesus imparts His righteousness to us.  If Jesus wants to impart His righteousness to that of babies and little children, I think it is His right to and that would not go against John 14:6. 

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God is a just God.  He has more love and compassion for young children and babies than we could ever hope to have.  If His eye is on the sparrow, we know His eyes are on the little children and babies and that is comfort enough.  He will take care of them the best way they need to be...maybe unbeknownst to us...but than do we have to know everything?  How arrogant. 

 

We can not go to heaven unless our righteousness exceeds the pharisees.  If we are saved, it does.  Jesus imparts His righteousness to us.  If Jesus wants to impart His righteousness to that of babies and little children, I think it is His right to and that would not go against John 14:6. 

God is a just God.  He is merciful to those who trust His Son, but He is angry with the wicked every day.

Infants do learn from a young age... even while still in their mother's womb.  They are capable of learning evil as well as good.

In the Old Testament He declared that an entire nation of infants would be slaughtered because their parents had done much wickedness.  I am speaking of Samaria. 

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Who rebelled against God in the verse above?  The parents alone?  Not just the parents, but the infants as well.  They were learning the rebellious acts of their parents and had to be destroyed..

How can I come to this conclusion?  By allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.  God had already decreed in the Mosaic Law that the children would not be put to death for the sins of the fathers. 

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

I believe the infants spoken of in Hosea will be in Hell.  God's wrath was upon them, not because their parents had sinned, but because they were learning their parents sins themselves.

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The Reformation Study Bible (formerly called The Geneva Study Bible) claims to be a clear statement of Reformed theology. On page 1664 there is an article on Regeneration. It is a shocking statement relating to infant salvation: "Infants can be born again, although the faith that they exercise cannot be as visible as that of adults." I wrote to R.C. Sproul (General Editor) to ask for clarification of this statement. I received a written response from Sproul’s assistant, V.A. Voorhis (dated 1/6/2000) in which he made the following statement which is even more shocking:

 

According to this teaching a child can be born again or regenerated as an infant and not come to faith in Christ until years later! This may or may not have been the teaching of the Reformers, but it certainly is not the teaching of the Word of God.  Rev. Curtis Crenshaw writes that "John the Baptist was even regenerated while in his mother's womb" [Curtis I. Crenshaw, Lordship Salvation, p. 34]  Born again in the womb!


 

When the RSB speaks in the notes of John 3 of "infants being born again," it is speaking of the work of quickening God does in them which inclines their will to Him. In Protestantism, regeneration always precedes faith and if God quickens them, the person will surely come . . .Often, regeneration and our subsequent faith happen apparently simultaneously but logically, regeneration must precede faith. An infant’s faith may not come until years after God has worked by His Holy Spirit to regenerate him or her [emphasis ours]. Two Biblical examples of infants who were born again are seen in Psalm 22:9-10 and Luke 1:15.

 

For a moment, let’s assume that what the extreme Calvinists are saying is true. If regeneration precedes faith, then what must a sinner do to be regenerated? The extreme Calvinists have never satisfactorily answered this. Shedd’s answer is typical. Because the sinner cannot believe, he is instructed to perform the following duties: (1) Read and hear the divine Word. (2) Give serious application of the mind to the truth. (3) Pray for the gift of the Holy Spirit for conviction and regeneration. [W.G.T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology, Vol. II, pages 472, 512, 513].

 

Roy Aldrich’s response to this is penetrating: "A doctrine of total depravity that excludes the possibility of faith must also exclude the possibilities of hearing the Word, giving serious application to divine truth and praying for the Holy Spirit for conviction and regeneration. The extreme Calvinist deals with a rather lively spiritual corpse after all.[Roy L. Aldrich, "The Gift of God," Biblio-theca Sacra, July 1965, pages 248-253].

 

The problem with this position is that it perverts the gospel. The sinner is told that the condition of salvation is prayer instead of faith. How contrary to Acts 16:31 where the sinner is not told to pray for conviction and regeneration. The sinner is simply told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

Edited by LindaR

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Yes, children can learn.  But it takes years to get understanding.  I can get my 2 1/2 year old to learn his sins will send him to hell for all eternity, but if he doesn't understand what 5 minutes means when I tell him no snacks because we are eating in 5 minutes, how will he understand eternity?  He might view the "punishment" of hell like the "punishment" of a smack on the fingers.  In other words, he doesn't have the concept of time so hell might be brief like his other punishments.  He lacks understanding. 

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Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

Does a baby in the womb clearly see the creation of the world?  It sounds to me like an aborted baby going to hell would have a pretty good excuse.  I know adults that have trouble "seeing" let alone little babies. 

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Does the Bible say he that has understanding shall be saved?  or does it say he that believeth shall be saved?

Why do people think it impossible for an infant who hears his mother reading the Word of God to trust God?  I don't think it is an impossibility at all.

Matthew 13:19 "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side."
 
1 John 5:20
"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."
 
Ah, yea, understanding is a big part of believing in something.

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Scripture does clearly say that there is only one way to heaven, and that's through Christ Jesus. Scripture also says no one has an excuse, even if they've not heard the Gospel. If someone can go to heaven, at whatever age, without being born again in Christ, what verses speak of this exception?

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Scripture does clearly say that there is only one way to heaven, and that's through Christ Jesus. Scripture also says no one has an excuse, even if they've not heard the Gospel. If someone can go to heaven, at whatever age, without being born again in Christ, what verses speak of this exception?

none that I am aware of.

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Scripture does clearly say that there is only one way to heaven, and that's through Christ Jesus. Scripture also says no one has an excuse, even if they've not heard the Gospel. If someone can go to heaven, at whatever age, without being born again in Christ, what verses speak of this exception?

Except a man be born again, he will not see the kingdom of heaven....aborted babies have yet to be born the first time let alone again.

Man is without excuse because nature itself speaks of God...aborted babies have not seen nature.

 

There is Sripture that gives the criteria on going to heaven.  Obviously it is impossible for an aborted baby to be included in this criteria.  So the Sripture you are using to explain who goes to heaven is the same Scripture that is used to explain how an aborted baby can go to heaven.

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And then there is the Scripture that was quote a couple postings back about David's baby.  I guess there are some that believe David told his servants he was going to the funeral home to see his kid.  I, for one, believe he was talking about seeing his child in heaven.  Now how God is going to allow David's baby in heaven without it accepting Christ as his personal Savior, I don't know.  I will leave it up to Him.  But when I find out the truth, in heaven, I am not going to argue with God either way. 

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It is obvious to me that this dixon idiot, SFIC and John have no experience with a small child dying or misscarried children. Your wild spectulations would be on the opposite spectrum.

 

Use some sensitively since you are all clueless to what the real truth of the matter is. Think of those who have suffered these losses before you blurt your meaningless opinions.

 

I realize that some have zero life apart from this forum and the internet but you don't have to post misguided or knee jerk opinions about every, single subject.

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It is obvious to me that this dixon idiot, SFIC and John have no experience with a small child dying or misscarried children. Your wild spectulations would be on the opposite spectrum.

 

Use some sensitively since you are all clueless to what the real truth of the matter is. Think of those who have suffered these losses before you blurt your meaningless opinions.

 

I realize that some have zero life apart from this forum and the internet but you don't have to post misguided or knee jerk opinions about every, single subject.

Actually, I have had experience with a small child dying.  I have also been to the graveside of many a deceased child. 

Maybe it is not me that is "clueless."

and your statement about knee jerk opinions about ever single subject is totally uncalled for.  I post on very few subjects on this forum.  Mainly because most turn their ears from the truth and some out and out say not to teach the truth.

Edited by Standing Firm In Christ

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I'm against abortion because it's the murder of innocent human lives. I'm against Calvinism because it's a false witness against the character of the true and living God...They're both abominations before God. God is Love...end of story. He isn't selfish and greedy for some warped man-conceived concept of "glory". He isn't "sovereign" in the sense that Calvinists define it. But He is all powerful and when He says "that's it"....that will be it, my friend. By His supreme power He will judge all of the unrepentant abortionists and the false witnesses in the end and He will have them all cast into Hell whose names are not written in the Book of Life. Will you continue to bear false witness of His Holy name? He is gracious and merciful but He will judge you one day if you don't repent and trust Jesus. Jesus is the God who gave Himself on Calvary for the whole world, for whosoever will. All babies are "conceived in sin" but until they have sinned the first time, and had no opportunity to repent, they are NOT lost.   If you don't know true love....you do not know Him.

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      Romans 8:22-24 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

      Daniel 12:2-3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

      Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    • By Old-Pilgrim
      There was two guys working in a chain-gang, the sun was hot, the water was rationed and the work was pointless and hard. One said to the other, 'so how did you end up here', he said I dounow, last thing I remember was being surrounded by Indians either side, we were out of ammo and had no where to run or hide, I saw the arrows flying through the air towards us, that's the last thing I remember, don't know how we got out of that one.
      Sweat blinding him he asked, 'and how did you end up here?
      Well last thing I remember I was with some roughs, and we were robbing a bank, we came out front with the money and someone shot me point blank, I guess i must have blanked out, coz next thing I was here, the first guy said to him as he peered through the sweat the tears and the mud and the blood (but no beer)   'at least were living', the other bloke replied 'you call this living?'
    • By paid4
      God has recently laid something on my heart. I've heard a lot of IFB preachers tell how hell would be full of "good" people. After much study in God's word it hurts my heart to hear this. There will be no good people in hell. I would also like to say there will be no good people in heaven either. Also, God does not send anyone to hell. It is a choice.
      Here is a few references I was studying.
       
      Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19
      Psalm 14:1-3, Ps 53:1-3
      Isaiah 64:6
       
      What's your thoughts on this?
    • By DeaconDixon
      "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity: and in sin did my mother conceive me." - Psalms 51:5

      There has of late been some discussion as to the destination of those who die in their infancy, before they are old enough to understand Jesus. Of course, the feel-good, tree-hugging, whale-loving liberals assert that God couldn't possibly send babies to hell as this would be "unfair" or "cruel", and that by some mysterious loophole in the rules for Salvation God allows those who are too young to be "accountable" into Heaven, no questions asked.

      As usual, the position of the lieberals in this debate finds no support whatsoever in the Scriptures. The Bible is clear - EVERYONE who has not accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour by the time they die goes straight to the fiery bowels of hell, no exceptions and NO EXCUSES.

      Relative to the argument that babies do not go to hell is the false belief that babies and infants are innocent, because they are not old enough to sin. This is utter nonsense. Central to the teachings of Christianity is the proposition that the guilt of Adam derived from the original sin is passed down through the blood through each generation (Genesis 5:3). Our ancestor was Adam - He rebelled against God. That's enough. Since the fall, we are guilty for even existing. You don't know much about Christian theology if you don't know that.
      It is not a matter of choosing to rebel against God when we are old enough to drink and drive. If it was a choice entirely dependent on free will, then chances are some people would choose not to rebel. It would prOBably work out about 50/50. But the Bible says that the whole human race, every individual who has ever lived and ever will live deserves to go to hell (and that even includes you, my esteemed fellow true Christians). As the theologian John Calvin demonstrated, there is nothing whatsoever that we can do by our own free will to get saved. Nothing! The only way to get saved is to get Grace, and you can only get Grace if God decides to give it to you. The sign of having Grace is a compulsion within your heart to accept Jesus and a miraculous ability to believe in every word of the Bible (have you ever tried to FORCE yourself to believe in something? Hold a gun to someone's head and demand they believe that the earth is flat, or that unicorns exist. It is impossible - no matter how hard the person tries. Belief is NOT subject to will power).

      We are ALL tainted with sin from the moment of conception (Psalms 24:4) and we need the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ to wash away our sins in the eyes of the Lord. So until the born again experience happens, Salvation is not possible. Therefore, babies and unborn babies who die go straight to hell.

      You might think that this is "unfair", but it's not unfair at all. Those who do not have the opportunity to receive salvation, who never in their lifetimes hear the gospel preached (eg babies and savages living in jungles), OBviously were Predestined by God to go to hell. God makes sure that His elect are able to hear the gospel preached to them during their lifetimes, in order to give them an opportunity which He knows they will take advantage of. But with a lot of the reprOBate, He decided not to bother letting them hear the gospel because He had already decided to send them to Hell anyway. God knows everything, so if a baby dies, God OBviously allowed that baby to die because He knew that if it had lived it would have grown up to be a sinner.

      A liberal so called "Christian" I once conversed with, recounted the Old Testament story of a father who was promised that he would be reunited with his dead son, who died in infancy. But the important point to remember here is that this occured in the OLD Testamant. Before Jesus, the requirements for Salvation were very different. OBviously Moses did not go to hell eventhough He never accepted Jesus as his Saviour - he could not have done, as Jesus had not been born at that stage. In Old Testament times, to belong to the Jewish race (God's chosen people) was sufficient qualification to ensure a place in Heaven, so long as you did not break the laws of the Prophets. But since the New Testament, it is imperative to believe in Jesus to get to Heaven.

      Furthermore, one of my associates presented a very simple tongue-in-cheek argument that if death in infancy ensures salvation then it is a very good idea to kill babies. The vast majority of the human race at present is NOT made up of true Christians (Bible-believing fundamentalists), so for a new born, odds are that he or she will grow up to become part of the hellbound majority. Death in infancy, therefore, would guard against that risk, and would be a small price to pay to ensure eternal bliss as opposed to eternal misery and torture.

      To suggest that God makes exceptions to the rule that you must believe in Jesus to get into heaven, based on age or any other reason is to make a mockery of the whole notion of Salvation. It is either necessary to believe in Jesus, or it isn't. If God is going to make exceptions then it OBviously isn't necessary. If God is going to allow unsaved babies to go to heaven by default then He is just playing games with us and Jesus isn't necessary at all. It would be better, in that case, to go and live in some remote community in some OBsure, primitive country and have a great time sinning all you like. At death, you will end up in heaven anyway if God can see that you have never been told about Jesus and the Bible.

      Babies, and young children who die before they are old enough to understand the gospels and worship Jesus, unfortunately go straight to Hell. This is a Bible fact, and anybody who disagrees is guilty of heresy.
      I trust that I have sucessfully refuted the heresies of the lieberal element that have been smearing the internet with their new-age, pluralist (aka satanic) lies.

      On a final note, I would like to add that the thought of all those screaming infants in hell is enough to make you want to avoid the place at all costs, if you needed any more encouragement!
    • By The Ohio Patriot
      MEXICO CITY (AP) -- President Barack Obama said Thursday he was comfortable with his administration's decision to allow over-the-counter purchases of a morning-after pill for anyone 15 and older.
      The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday had lowered the age at which people can buy the Plan B One-Step morning-after pill without a prescription to 15 - younger than the current limit of 17. The FDA decided that the pill could be sold on drugstore shelves near condoms, instead of locked behind pharmacy counters.
       
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