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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

The Purification Approach To The Kjv

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Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

 

There are people that believe that this is prophetic with regards to the KJV. They feel that the various printings are purifications (for example some think the Oxford 1769 printing is one purification) and that there will be a final error free printing. So AV 1611 would be the first .... Oxford 1769 another ... etc.

That is, the KJV was complete and perfect from the beginning but there is a purification process with the printed representations of the KJV that will result in a jot and tittle perfect printed text after the seventh printing. What do you think?

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Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

 

There are people that believe that this is prophetic with regards to the KJV. They feel that the various printings are purifications (for example some think the Oxford 1769 printing is one purification) and that there will be a final error free printing. So AV 1611 would be the first .... Oxford 1769 another ... etc.

That is, the KJV was complete and perfect from the beginning but there is a purification process with the printed representations of the KJV that will result in a jot and tittle perfect printed text after the seventh printing. What do you think?

I never heard the teaching applied to the various editions of the KJV or companies involved in printing the KJV. It has been applied to the seven major English versions of the bible culminating in the KJV.

 

1) Tyndale's

 

2) Matthew's

 

3) Coverdale's

 

4) Great Bible

 

5) Geneva

 

6) Bishop's

 

7) King James

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I never heard the teaching applied to the various editions of the KJV or companies involved in printing the KJV. It has been applied to the seven major English versions of the bible culminating in the KJV.

 

1) Tyndale's

 

2) Matthew's

 

3) Coverdale's

 

4) Great Bible

 

5) Geneva

 

6) Bishop's

 

7) King James

If this or the other were to be true then in order for the Word to be consistent, the same would have to apply for each translation into each language.

 

Psalm 12:6 is simply making an emphatic statement as to the purity, the sureness, the trustworthiness of the Word of God.

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Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

 

There are people that believe that this is prophetic with regards to the KJV. They feel that the various printings are purifications (for example some think the Oxford 1769 printing is one purification) and that there will be a final error free printing. So AV 1611 would be the first .... Oxford 1769 another ... etc.

That is, the KJV was complete and perfect from the beginning but there is a purification process with the printed representations of the KJV that will result in a jot and tittle perfect printed text after the seventh printing. What do you think?

I think it is balony.  :biggrin:

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If this or the other were to be true then in order for the Word to be consistent, the same would have to apply for each translation into each language.

 

Psalm 12:6 is simply making an emphatic statement as to the purity, the sureness, the trustworthiness of the Word of God.

Not necessarily. The argument is that God wasn't obligated to preserve his word in every language. Just like the original inspiration of scripture only came in one language, i.e. koine Greek, (talking NT here) then God was only obligated to preserve it in one language, i.e. English. The argument is carried further by saying that since koine Greek is a dead language and English is the "universal language" then logically that would be the language God chose to purify and preserve his word. Also, the fact that the English bible has produced the most fruit the last 500 years would confirm the position that it's the preserved word of God.

 

A lot of this is hard to prove. Really, it can't be proven scripturally only practically and perhaps through through mss research.

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Not necessarily. The argument is that God wasn't obligated to preserve his word in every language. Just like the original inspiration of scripture only came in one language, i.e. koine Greek, (talking NT here) then God was only obligated to preserve it in one language, i.e. English. The argument is carried further by saying that since koine Greek is a dead language and English is the "universal language" then logically that would be the language God chose to purify and preserve his word. Also, the fact that the English bible has produced the most fruit the last 500 years would confirm the position that it's the preserved word of God.

 

A lot of this is hard to prove. Really, it can't be proven scripturally only practically and perhaps through through mss research.

That doesn't seem to hold water. Scripture doesn't say God's Word will only be preserved in one language. While the KJB has a solid track record, translations in other languages do too.

 

Actually the universal language is American English, certainly not the kings English from over 500 years ago, so that point doesn't fit. There is also the point that American English is slipping from it's top spot, just as the American dollar is slipping.

 

In any event, in its context, Psalm 12:6 is simply making an emphatic statement as to the purity, the sureness, the trustworthiness of the Word of God; not putting forth a formula for the translation of the Word.

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That doesn't seem to hold water. Scripture doesn't say God's Word will only be preserved in one language. While the KJB has a solid track record, translations in other languages do too.

 

Actually the universal language is American English, certainly not the kings English from over 500 years ago, so that point doesn't fit. There is also the point that American English is slipping from it's top spot, just as the American dollar is slipping.

 

In any event, in its context, Psalm 12:6 is simply making an emphatic statement as to the purity, the sureness, the trustworthiness of the Word of God; not putting forth a formula for the translation of the Word.

Yes, but the argument of the bible correctors is that God only inspired his word in the "original languages" and therefore they keep the words of God bound up in a dead language that not even the Greeks speak or read anymore and which only they (the bible correctors) can truly understand. Which of course none of them can agree on (they are always adding or changing the meaning of the Greek words). The bible linguists become like priests at the Latin Mass speaking a dead language nobody can understand and the "layman" waits for them to explain the true meaning of the words.

 

 So what is the difference between what they teach and what this teaching is. Where does it say in scripture that God only could give his word or preserve his word without error in the original languages (notice I didn't say "original manuscripts/autographs" because now they say "original languages/ tongues" which is not quite the same)?

 

As far as the "American English" vs the King's English I think you are splitting hairs here. They are still both modern English, the KJV being Early Modern English. English is far from slipping. Even now the Chinese are making it a mandatory language to learn in their schools and France has apparently spent billions of euros to get people to learn their language as opposed to English but people still choose English. It's the language of the UN, the Olympics and universal travel. The dollar might slip and America might crumble but the language will be around until the Second Coming.

 

You might be right about Psalm 12:6 being a emphatic statement or a Hebrew expression concerning purity, but than again maybe not. I'm not really sure which it is. 

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I don't know enough of any other language to check these matters myself. A few folks that I know, and trust, who can, speak of some translations they know in other languages as being the preserved Word of God just as they believe the KJB is. They will readily point out that there are some translations in some languages that are poor translations, naturally they don't see these as the preserved Word of God any more than they do the corrupted English MVs.

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I never heard the teaching applied to the various editions of the KJV or companies involved in printing the KJV. It has been applied to the seven major English versions of the bible culminating in the KJV.

 

1) Tyndale's

 

2) Matthew's

 

3) Coverdale's

 

4) Great Bible

 

5) Geneva

 

6) Bishop's

 

7) King James

In the following video a similar list is given at 3 min 39 seconds then at 4 min 42 seconds he gives a list of King James Bible revisions claiming the last on the list is the final purification, I'll type his list here:

 

1) 1611 He

 

2) 1611 She

 

3) 1613

 

4) Cambridge 1629

 

5) Cambridge 1638

 

6) Oxford 1769

 

7) Pure Cambridge Edition

 

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In the following video a similar list is given at 3 min 39 seconds then at 4 min 42 seconds he gives a list of King James Bible revisions claiming the last on the list is the final purification, I'll type his list here:

 

1) 1611 He

 

2) 1611 She

 

3) 1613

 

4) Cambridge 1629

 

5) Cambridge 1638

 

6) Oxford 1769

 

7) Pure Cambridge Edition

 

1. "or Sheba" not "and Sheba" in Joshua 19:2 
2. "sin" not "sins" in 2 Chronicles 33:19 
3. "Spirit of God" not "spirit of God" in Job 33:4 
4. "whom ye" not "whom he" in Jeremiah 34:16 
5. "Spirit of God" not "spirit of God" in Ezekiel 11:24 
6. "flieth" not "fleeth" in Nahum 3:16 
7. "Spirit" not "spirit" in Matthew 4:1 
8. "further" not "farther" in Matthew 26:39 
9. "bewrayeth" not "betrayeth" in Matthew 26:73 
10. "Spirit" not "spirit" in Mark 1:12 
11. "spirit" not "Spirit" in Acts 11:28 
12. "spirit" not "Spirit" in 1 John 5:8 

 

Sorry, but I don't see either one as being in error.

 

For example:

 

"Bewray" is just an archaic word meaning "betray".

 

The root of the English word "flee" means to "fly".

 

"Spirit" or "spirit"? Really, either can be used. In I John 5:8 the "spirit" that bears testimony on earth is the regenerated spirit of man through the Spirit of God. If you doubt this check out John 3 where Jesus speaks of the "water and the Spirit".

 

 "Sin" or "sins". We all know that the word "sin" can also refer to sins collectively like in the statement, "Christ bore my sin on the cross". Well, Christ bore all my sins on the cross (John 1:29)..

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Actually, I found a total 14 distinguishing "marks" on his website. Then I checked them against 8 texts (2 local church/ministry supported King James Bibles, KJV 1611, 1637 Cambridge, 1728 KJV published by Baskett, 1769 Oxford,  1840 KJV edition published for the American Bible Society, and an original 1909 Scofield) How about I post them on separate threads one at a time? Some may be interested because most contemporary King James Bibles differ here:

Joshua 19:2, 2 Chron 33:19, Ezra 2:26, Job 30:6, Job 33:4, Jer 34:16, Ezek 11:24, Nahum 3:16, Matt 4:1, Matt 26:39, Matt 26:73, Mark 1:12, Acts 11:28, and 1 John 5:8

 

One reason this is important is explained in this slightly long (36 min) video:

 

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To imply what one person has decided is pure, the "PCE" is to infer that all other KJV Bibles are not.   Nonsense. 

One person building an Ark was nonsense too. But I am with the Ark builder. Some things are spiritually discerned and between the individual and God. To say Pure in refence to Psalms refers "purified 7 times over" as being prophetic. If some believe that then what is that to thee?

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One person building an Ark was nonsense too. But I am with the Ark builder. Some things are spiritually discerned and between the individual and God. To say Pure in refence to Psalms refers "purified 7 times over" as being prophetic. If some believe that then what is that to thee?

 

That person was directed by God and I don't think it was nonsense.  When an uneducated person decides what is pure that is nonsense.  

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Chick and Gipp nail it:

 

http://samgipp.com/answerbook/?page=05.htm

 

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_05.asp?FROM=biblecenter

 

http://www.chick.com/bc/2001/cantbelieveit.asp?FROM=biblecenter - This has been true in my life and in those around me.  The worldliest Christians are vehemently opposed to the King James Bible, like the devil himself.

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The links aren't posting right, I'll put the vimeo channel with Gipps videos underneath:

 

part 2 is

which can be downloaded;

mobile:

/download?t=1375959384&v=102668201&s=3fe191c6f12698ef404df43d89603ff4

HD:

/download?t=1375959384&v=102670441&s=521c1b4158e602ecb2f85ced04aad2ad

SD:

/download?t=1375959384&v=102668911&s=00e1b83980745f02ba5d57cf0f25c094

 

http://bigdealKJv.com/

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