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2 hours ago, John81 said:

Those born again in Christ will not take the mark of the beast. The mark will separate the sheep from the goats as only the unsaved will take the mark.

Amen! 

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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10 hours ago, Alan said:

Those people, in any dispensation, who believe that adhering to the Law, can justify a person is totally mistaken.

Peter and John preached the same gospel and Paul did not write the book of Galatians to discern between the pure Jewish message supposedly preached by Peter from the Pauline revelation of the Grace of God. Peter preached salvation by grace just the same as Paul did. The twisting of the scriptures to say that a person is saved differently under the Law and during the Tribulation  Period is erroneous doctrine.

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Galatians 5:4

 

 

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away,[it is impossible] to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6
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44 minutes ago, beameup said:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away,[it is impossible] to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6

To renew them to what? Salvation? No...repentance. Read the following verses...they are nigh unto cursing. It doesn't say they are cursed...they are nigh unto it. Just as thorns and briers are burned, so their end shall be burned. Just as Paul said in 1Corinthians 3...

 11  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

 12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

 13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. note

 14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

 15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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1 hour ago, Oὐ Νικολαΐτης said:

To renew them to what? Salvation? No...repentance. Read the following verses...they are nigh unto cursing. It doesn't say they are cursed...they are nigh unto it. Just as thorns and briers are burned, so their end shall be burned. Just as Paul said in 1Corinthians 3...

 11  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

 12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

 13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. note

 14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

 15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Indeed, in the matter of Bible study, precision of details matters greatly. Such is actually what "rightly dividing" means.  It means cutting a precise line of understanding precisely in accord with the predetermined pattern of truth, which predetermined pattern was established by the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit.

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5 hours ago, beameup said:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away,[it is impossible] to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:4-6

1.  About whom is Hebrews 6:4-6 speaking?  It is speaking concerning genuine believers, since only genuine believers are "made partakers of the Holy Ghost."

2.  What is impossible according to Hebrews 6:4-6?  To renew believers who "shall fall away" unto "repentance."

3.  Do genuine believers need at times to come unto a place of repentance?  Yes, Revelation 2:5 is an example.

4.  Does Hebrews 6:4-6 say anything whatsoever about losing "salvation" and/or about not being renewed unto "salvation" after losing it?  No.

5.  What happens when a genuine believer is not able to be renewed "unto repentance"?  Consider the conclusion of 1 John 5:16 & consider 1 Corinthians 3:15.

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6 minutes ago, beameup said:

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul], as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;  Galatians 2:7

Have you ever considered that you have followed a rabbit trail that does not exist?

Doesn't it make much more sense to realize that God revealed to Paul the wording and way in which he was to preach the SAME Gospel but to the gentiles who had no exposure or experience with the Law or Ordinances?

Heb 11:6, But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

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5 hours ago, wretched said:

Have you ever considered that you have followed a rabbit trail that does not exist?

Doesn't it make much more sense to realize that God revealed to Paul the wording and way in which he was to preach the SAME Gospel but to the gentiles who had no exposure or experience with the Law or Ordinances?

Heb 11:6, But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Perhaps the Jews had more "responsibility", as they had "the Law and the Prophets".  Gentiles, unless they had applied for "membership" in Judaism (ie: proselyte) , were mostly ignorant of such things.  A book like "Hebrews", for example, would be meaningless to a pagan Gentile; but to a Jew, it would be full of meaning and relevance.  Could this be why books such as James (written to the 12 Tribes), emphasize "works" so much?  Could this account for the fact that Paul does not mention the earthly Kingdom in his epistles?  And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2 Timothy 4:18

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt 23:15
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6 hours ago, beameup said:

Perhaps the Jews had more "responsibility", as they had "the Law and the Prophets".  Gentiles, unless they had applied for "membership" in Judaism (ie: proselyte) , were mostly ignorant of such things.  A book like "Hebrews", for example, would be meaningless to a pagan Gentile; but to a Jew, it would be full of meaning and relevance.  Could this be why books such as James (written to the 12 Tribes), emphasize "works" so much?  Could this account for the fact that Paul does not mention the earthly Kingdom in his epistles?  And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2 Timothy 4:18

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt 23:15

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6 hours ago, beameup said:

Perhaps the Jews had more "responsibility", as they had "the Law and the Prophets".  Gentiles, unless they had applied for "membership" in Judaism (ie: proselyte) , were mostly ignorant of such things.  A book like "Hebrews", for example, would be meaningless to a pagan Gentile; but to a Jew, it would be full of meaning and relevance.  Could this be why books such as James (written to the 12 Tribes), emphasize "works" so much?  Could this account for the fact that Paul does not mention the earthly Kingdom in his epistles?  And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2 Timothy 4:18

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt 23:15

Sir, could it be that you are missing the forest for the trees on this one? Jesus summed up the Law and the Prophets by faith and love. It was never works for the sake of works. The works came as a result of heart felt faith and NOT obedience to the letter. Jesus spend His whole ministry here explaining this to the Jews and James, Peter and Paul continued this revelation.

Mar 12:33, And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 

Act 13:39, And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Heb 9:14, How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Since Creation all He has wanted from every man and woman is for them to believe on Him in their hearts. That heart belief will create works whether Jew or Gentile. The Jews had been taught this way since Abraham but never kept this true path for long always turning it into dead ritual for their flesh sake.

According to the Gospels, Hebrews, the Peters and James you are doing the same thing the jews did when they rejected Christ. Putting the cart before the horse, pure works before God are those works resulting from real faith.

Look it is obvious you are highly intelligent but you have set your energy down the wrong path with this. Allow yourself to look at it from a different perspective and you will see that no work can in any way justify a man. Real faith creates works acceptable to God NOT the other way around.

 

 

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8 hours ago, wretched said:

 

Since Creation all He has wanted from every man and woman is for them to believe on Him in their hearts. That heart belief will create works whether Jew or Gentile. The Jews had been taught this way since Abraham but never kept this true path for long always turning it into dead ritual for their flesh sake.

 

 

 

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:  Eph 2:11-12
An "Inconvenient Truth"?                                                                                                                              δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω
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1 hour ago, beameup said:
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:  Eph 2:11-12
An "Inconvenient Truth"?                                                                                                                              δέ εἰ τὶς ἀγνοέω ἀγνοέω

Not inconvenient at all but simply truth. Israel has always had a chance to worship God in faith and in truth but refused to. The rest of us were now given the same chance. There is no other interpretation for this passage or chapter. You are looking at every passage with work/faith goggles when it comes to Israel my friend. You have to see the bigger picture where God has made it abundantly clear that without faith it is impossible to please Him. Any work apart from or before faith is and has always been meaningless to God. True faith in God has always produced works for God even before Abraham.

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