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Joan Arc,

That's a horrific story and unfortunately, I can relate to it as we had a similar incident this August. What you said about them automatically believing the child is right and the parents are guilty is true here as well. They don't care about the truth at all.

We are trying to get our oldest son (just turned 15) into a Christian school/home where he can hopefully get some help. It's so hard with him being here with us because he can't be trusted and the stress of wondering when he might do or say something that brings the government down on us worse is terrible. That coupled with the social workers visiting every week with the attitude we are evil, bad parents, criminals or whatever, it's just unreal.

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LOVE is preached and taught more in the Bible than Spanking. In what verse of the New Tesatament did Jesus say spank your child? I do not know do not think I have ever cam acrossed it. I do know he warns them that harms HIS little ones. Keep that in mind folks.

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LOVE is preached and taught more in the Bible than Spanking. In what verse of the New Tesatament did Jesus say spank your child? I do not know do not think I have ever cam acrossed it. I do know he warns them that harms HIS little ones. Keep that in mind folks.


Corporal punishment is commanded in the Old Testament and Christ validated the Old Testament. Scripture says if one refuses to use such corrective measures then they don't truly love their child. Such corrective measures are to be used out of love and with love.
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Corporal punishment is commanded in the Old Testament and Christ validated the Old Testament. Scripture says if one refuses to use such corrective measures then they don't truly love their child. Such corrective measures are to be used out of love and with love.

LOVE is preached far more in the New Testament than punishment.
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LOVE is preached far more in the New Testament than punishment.

Doesn't negate the idea that punishment is not right.

5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Love is not antithetical to discipline. In fact they are often the same.
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Corporal punishment NOT done in love is wrong.

Corporal punishment done IN love is right.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Strong's definition of chastening:
2c) to chastise with blows, to scourge
2c1) of a father punishing his son
2c2) of a judge ordering one to be scourged

So you are right, Tank. We are to love. One of the proofs of loving a child, according to the New Testament, is punishment. God says a child who does NOT receive punishment, whether physically or spiritually, is a "bastard"...that's a pretty strong word, and it pretty much means NOT punishing a child is to NOT love the child.

Might want to do a little New Testament reading. :wink

LOL Dwayner....we cross posted!

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Corporal punishment NOT done in love is wrong.

Corporal punishment done IN love is right.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Strong's definition of chastening:
2c) to chastise with blows, to scourge
2c1) of a father punishing his son
2c2) of a judge ordering one to be scourged

So you are right, Tank. We are to love. One of the proofs of loving a child, according to the New Testament, is punishment. God says a child who does NOT receive punishment, whether physically or spiritually, is a "bastard"...that's a pretty strong word, and it pretty much means NOT punishing a child is to NOT love the child.

Might want to do a little New Testament reading. :wink research Love and then compare

LOL Dwayner....we cross posted!


So if a guy shakes his baby "in love" that is right. If a dad punches his teenage son or chokes him "in love" that is biblical?
Sorry I have nothing against spanking but those that speak of "a good beatin" and so forth that is not done in Love.
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So if a guy shakes his baby "in love" that is right. If a dad punches his teenage son or chokes him "in love" that is biblical?
Sorry I have nothing against spanking but those that speak of "a good beatin" and so forth that is not done in Love.


It's never love if a parent does something (abuse) that could kill or cause permanent damage to the child .

It's love to prevent a child from being killed or seriously hurt.
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So if a guy shakes his baby "in love" that is right. If a dad punches his teenage son or chokes him "in love" that is biblical?
Sorry I have nothing against spanking but those that speak of "a good beatin" and so forth that is not done in Love.


See, you are mixing good and evil. Biblical physical discipline has nothing to do with beating or abuse or shaking. As has been pointed out, proper biblical discipline is a matter of love and NOT of anger or abuse.
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See, you are mixing good and evil. Biblical physical discipline has nothing to do with beating or abuse or shaking. As has been pointed out, proper biblical discipline is a matter of love and NOT of anger or abuse.

its like deja vu all over again.

For fear that we incorrectly use discipline, we reject its use all together. Good post John.
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Tank nobody on here has talked about shaking a baby or beating up a kid. Nobody shakes my baby and if they do....well they are in big trouble to say the least! We do NOT abuse children. We follow God's Word in love.

Does God beat us up? Does He do mean things out of spite? Or does He correct us in love? He is our example.

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Joan Arc, Sorry that you and family have to go thru all of this. Its tough. Some children do as your daughter does, those who have not experienced it, most times just can understand it the least bit. They are usually the ones who do all the condemning, plus proclaiming one should never punish their children by spanking and such. Even God punishes us when we do wrong, but they can't understand that.

When ones child is like that, there just are no easy answers.

Its so sad that one child can tear a family completely to pieces, but it happens many times. Hang in there, keep the faith, hold tight to God's ways. Thanks for sharing.

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It is really shameful that society has become this way. There are many Christian dads who have a Biblical plan for discipline that sometimes involves spanking. From what I understand on this case the son knew what to expect and his dad said he would get paddled in the future. I have 2 sons and spanking is not done in a heat of anger. Both of them when they disobey know what the consequence is. This is Biblical love using the rod of correction.

You tell your child what is wrong and review what is expected and then you spank them. I can't think of anything better than God's method for teaching kids right from wrong. I'll obey God and not man!

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I agree with you Jerry
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15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to

Prov 29:15 (KJV)

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

Prov 26:3 (KJV)

14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Prov 23:14 (KJV)

13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Prov 23:13 (KJV)

15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Prov 22:15 (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Prov 13:24 (KJV)

13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.

Prov 10:13 (KJV)

God is pretty clear on it. Like its been said, some children are very strong willed and to stop them from doing wrong, that which is harmful, it take more than a pat, some time its take enough to bruise their behind. If you let the child win, them that child is more than likely lost.

And no, a bruise being present does not mean an investigation is needed. Some people have never dealt with a very strong willed child that believe this, if they have, they lost.
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