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Irish tradition includes a liking of limericks.  Here's one that I hope makes Facebook and gets wide acclaim.

 

There once was a man named Obama,

Who was raised in Hawaii by "mamma";

He grew in obscurity,

With little security,

and now WE suffer his trauma!

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Umm... not trying to be all righteous here or anything, but its really bothers me to see you all mocking Obama so.  I'm quite sure he deserves it, but it doesn't reflect well for Christians to be speaking so of anyone - much less your leader.   Just sayin'...

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Was it right for Jesus to call the Syrophonecian woman a dog?
Or for Elijah to mock the prophets of Ba'al on Mount Carmel?

There are many times in the Bible where the heathen are mocked. 

Seriously though, we are to honor those who God places in authority over us.  But I do not recognize Obama as God-placed authority.  The authority God puts over us that we are to obey and honor are terrors to the evil and not to the good.  It is clear Obama is a terror to the good and allied with the evil.

Romans 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

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Was it right for Jesus to call the Syrophonecian woman a dog?
Or for Elijah to mock the prophets of Ba'al on Mount Carmel?

 

See, the problem with responding with those examples, is that I read it as you saying 'Jesus did such-and-such, so I can do the same thing.'  However, neither you, I, nor anyone else on these forums is perfectly Christ-like in our actions, attitudes, motives, what-have-you. I don't believe that just because Christ did a particular thing means that we automatically get to do the same thing. Cause we mess it up.

 

Romans 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

 

The government Paul was speaking under was the Roman government. They certainly were not a godly government, and they upheld evil and persecuted good. I mean, hey - they killed Christians for worshipping Christ alone! Our governments aren't even quite that bad yet. If Paul could tell the early believers to be subject to (so much as possible) & honor their corrupt government, we are certainly bound to honor ours. 

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See, the problem with responding with those examples, is that I read it as you saying 'Jesus did such-and-such, so I can do the same thing.'  However, neither you, I, nor anyone else on these forums is perfectly Christ-like in our actions, attitudes, motives, what-have-you. I don't believe that just because Christ did a particular thing means that we automatically get to do the same thing. Cause we mess it up.

 

 

The government Paul was speaking under was the Roman government. They certainly were not a godly government, and they upheld evil and persecuted good. I mean, hey - they killed Christians for worshipping Christ alone! Our governments aren't even quite that bad yet. If Paul could tell the early believers to be subject to (so much as possible) & honor their corrupt government, we are certainly bound to honor ours. 

Paul was not telling the Christians to honor the evil roman government.  He said give honor where honor is due.  He showed the authority he was speaking of to be terrors to the evil and not the good.

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, (Obama is) but to the evil. (Obama isn't) Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The authority God sets up is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that does evil.  When is the last time you read in your papers that Obama ordered the prosecution of those who run abortion clinics?  When was it written in the media that Obama executed judgment against the evil that the sodomites so blatantly display in their Pride Parades?

Did you know that Obama mocks God's Word?  Do you really think God places in position of authority over His people today someone who is against HIm?  No, God did not place Obama in his seat of power... man did.  A nation who has turned its back on God and does what seems right in its own eyes has chosen them a king to rule over them.

Though I live in America, that man in the White House is not my authority.  I bow to a Higher Power and a Higher Authority who bears not the sword of God in vain.

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Luk 4:6  "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it

 

Satan also sets men up in power.  .

 

I believe that the Lord would have us to respect authority, the office He ordained, but not every man that is put in office by the worldly humanists. 

 

Anyway, I wish to be an offense to none, therefore I will post no more about our leaders in this fashion (unless I can find something good about them!) :biggrin:
 

 

spelling errors again!

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Umm... not trying to be all righteous here or anything, but its really bothers me to see you all mocking Obama so.  I'm quite sure he deserves it, but it doesn't reflect well for Christians to be speaking so of anyone - much less your leader.   Just sayin'...

 

That's true, its really the opposite of how the Bible tells us to be.

 

1Ti 2:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
 
This topic is making fun, mocking, & more like a none Christians forum would do. Sadly many in our country do not show no respect for the one in the office of president while calling him names while giving him new names.
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That's true, its really the opposite of how the Bible tells us to be.

 

1Ti 2:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
 
This topic is making fun, mocking, & more like a none Christians forum would do. Sadly many in our country do not show no respect for the one in the office of president while calling him names while giving him new names.

 

Followers of Christ are called to pray for those in leadership, show them respect, and shine the light of Christ.

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I have respect for the OFFICE but not the MAN. 

 

Maybe if he didn't carry so much blame for the direction he is leading this country he would deserve one iota of respect.

I may not mock him in lyrics (only because I'm not that clever) but I will continue to point out his wrongs!

 

This man IS a living joke!

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See, the problem with responding with those examples, is that I read it as you saying 'Jesus did such-and-such, so I can do the same thing.'  However, neither you, I, nor anyone else on these forums is perfectly Christ-like in our actions, attitudes, motives, what-have-you. I don't believe that just because Christ did a particular thing means that we automatically get to do the same thing. Cause we mess it up.

 

 

The government Paul was speaking under was the Roman government. They certainly were not a godly government, and they upheld evil and persecuted good. I mean, hey - they killed Christians for worshipping Christ alone! Our governments aren't even quite that bad yet. If Paul could tell the early believers to be subject to (so much as possible) & honor their corrupt government, we are certainly bound to honor ours. 

 

You may be right, our government ain't there yet.  My question is where is the line that must be crossed before we can call evil evil and speak the truth about those who have taken power in this nation.  Our country has suffered a coup de'etat and no one seems to notice.

 

Sorry.  I lost my sense of humor. :shootme:

 

God bless,

Larry 

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Maybe if Salyan lived in the U.S. she'd understand the embarrassment we have of our "leader". However, didn't the Queen of England recently sign the okay for gay marriage?

I think Obama has drawn the line that now evil should be pointed out and brought to the light as the evil it is. Instead of him getting to hide behind his "position" and him thinking he's above reproach.

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There is a big difference between mocking and pointing out what the Constitution or the Bible actually says.

 

There is also a problem going on when we expect the lost to act like mature, solid followers of Christ.

 

If we know Scripture then we know to expect the lost, including lost leaders, to act like lost sinners.

 

Scripture calls for us to pray for our leaders. What is more likely to move the heart of a leader, 10 minutes a day lifting them up before the Lord each day, or continually mocking them?

 

We can biblically point out that President Bush the Second and President Obama were wrong when they said Islam is a religion of peace, that Muslims and Christians pray to the same God, that virtually all religions lead to heaven. We can use such as an opportunity to share the true Word of God on the matter and as a point of prayer.

 

We can biblically point out the unconstitutional policies, programs and statements made by President Bush the Second and President Obama. We can use our time pointing out exactly what the Constitution says, how presidents have recognized such in the past, how a past court may have ruled in accord with the Constitution on that point. We can point out the oath of office they take and how that applies. We can add these things to our prayers.

 

In both things we can stand true in a civil, kind, loving, Christ honouring manner, while using the occasions to try and help others learn and know the truth of Scripture, of the Constitution, while showing the loving heart of Christ in our lives. Doing all this in an attitude of prayer and trusting the Holy Ghost to work rather than trusting in our wit, emotions or wisdom.

 

What America is facing today with Obama and the rest of the political leaders is nothing new. Such leaders have existed from before the time of Christ, during the time of Christ and ever since the time of Christ on earth. Had previous presidents not been lost sinners going their own way, had previous presidents not violated the Constitution, what Obama is doing today would not even be possible. America, like all other nations, has a long list of lost sinners in leadership and leaders who care little for the rule of law they are to abide by, who do things according to their own wills, with many willing followers both inside leadership and among the people.

 

If our main focus is upon Christ and the kingdom of God these temporal matters won't bother our flesh near as much. We know what's to come, we know the future, we know the final outcome, we know this is not our home, we know God's will shall be done, and we know to pray for that and to be about the Father's business in the meantime.

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I think there is a difference between godly rebuke and disrespectful mocking.

By the way, the Queen signs the laws and does in fact have the power of veto, but it is their parliament that makes the laws and commends them to the Queen.
Whilst I am sure it has happened, I don't know that this queen has ever refused to sign into law a commendation from her government.
It is primarily a ceremonial role.

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Maybe if Salyan lived in the U.S. she'd understand the embarrassment we have of our "leader". However, didn't the Queen of England recently sign the okay for gay marriage?

I think Obama has drawn the line that now evil should be pointed out and brought to the light as the evil it is. Instead of him getting to hide behind his "position" and him thinking he's above reproach.

 

The man setting at the top right now thinks he is always right, & everyone who disagrees with him is always wrong. Sure he felt that way while he was a community organizer too.

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