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So Who Teaches The Tithe Is Necessary?

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Personally, I was asked by a few members to teach about giving and tithing several years ago.

in a basic sense, over several evenings I taught that tithing is not commanded for NT saints.

I said that it set AN EXAMPLE which was honouring to God to follow, but was not necessary, nor commanded, nor should it be 'enforced' in any way.

I actually do not personally know of any IFB preacher who teaches it is necessary.

So, who here actually does think that a tithe is a NT necessity?

By the way I do know of a few different churches that actually enforce it - one gets copies of payslips and direct debits the accounts!!!!!!!!
wrong on so many levels.

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There is no scriptural mandate for the church age Christian to tithe. There is no percentage guideline given.

 

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 

 

If one wishes to use the OT tithe as an example or a reference that's their prerogative, but to teach that a set percentage is mandated for the Christian today is to yank them under the curse of the Mosaic law. Those who do so must wrest the Scriptures. A classic case of "wrongly dividing". 

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My husband preaches it because the tithe predates the law. But on the rare occasions he preaches it, he always reminds people that it is for their benefit, not the church's...God will bless them personally. Our church knows that my husband never even looks at giving records at all.

Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek was not commanded or even asked. Not to mention, Abraham was circumcised before the law too. 

 

 

God has taught since Cain and Abel that our first fruits belong to Him, and the tithe is a good starting point. 

 Everything we have belongs to God. Not just some percentage or our first fruits. Again, if you want to use the tithe as your example, that's fine. But to teach it as a mandate or as doctrine in this dispensation is incorrect. 

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We teach it as a personal mandate, not a church mandate, if that makes sense.  And yes, I agree, this thread is probably best for stating our position and then just briefly backing it up.    I do not think it is 100% clear whether or not the tithe is a NT idea...it cannot be proven for 100% sure either way, so it is a position that very good men and women disagree on.  But tithing is certainly a safe place to start, as long as the pastor is encouraging it for personal Christian growth rather than personal gain.

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We teach it as a personal mandate, not a church mandate, if that makes sense.  And yes, I agree, this thread is probably best for stating our position and then just briefly backing it up.    I do not think it is 100% clear whether or not the tithe is a NT idea...it cannot be proven for 100% sure either way, so it is a position that very good men and women disagree on.  But tithing is certainly a safe place to start, as long as the pastor is encouraging it for personal Christian growth rather than personal gain.

I disagree completely. The tithe is not mentioned once in the NT with church age Christians in mind. Furthermore we have positive Scriptural support that we are to give out of thanksgiving and from a heartfelt desire, not out of fear of retribution or fear of the law. This Scriptural support makes it clear without any reasonable doubt that the tithe is not a biblical mandate to church age Christians. I do not believe this is an area of uncertainty. 

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I disagree completely. The tithe is not mentioned once in the NT with church age Christians in mind. Furthermore we have positive Scriptural support that we are to give out of thanksgiving and from a heartfelt desire, not out of fear of retribution or fear of the law. This Scriptural support makes it clear without any reasonable doubt that the tithe is not a biblical mandate to church age Christians. I do not believe this is an area of uncertainty.


can this be taken elsewhere please?

you both have stated your positions with a few short reasons. That is where it should be left IN THIS THREAD.
Please......

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I do not see the monetary tithe promoting Christian growth.

Mt mother bowed to that Roman Catholic doctrine being taught in the Pentecostal Church she attended for more than 50 years. There is no evidence that she has matured in her ChristIan walk because of it.

Christian growth does not come from bowing to the unScriptural doctrine of monetary tithing. Christian growth comes from the sincere milk of the Word.

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can this be taken elsewhere please?

you both have stated your positions with a few short reasons. That is where it should be left IN THIS THREAD.
Please......

Okay. Just curious, why did you post if you didn't want anybody to discus the tithe being necessary?

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Okay. Just curious, why did you post if you didn't want anybody to discus the tithe being necessary?


as I stated in the op, for people to state their position.
there are currently at least two, and have been many in the past that discuss the pros and cons. Go there and discuss it.

my basic point is that the vast majority if IFB do not teach the tithe as necessary. The argument that some here seem to delight in is practically irrelevant .

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I agree with the biblical position on tithing of the Fundamental Evangelistic Association in Fresno, CA.  Here is their biblical position:

 

From an email I received in April, 2013:

"We believe God's Word teaches a very clear distinction between Israel and the church. We do not believe that the requirements for Israel in the OT, including "tithing," are mandatory for the church in this age. We believe the New Testament teaches "grace giving" as we have been prospered."

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as I stated in the op, for people to state their position.
there are currently at least two, and have been many in the past that discuss the pros and cons. Go there and discuss it.

my basic point is that the vast majority if IFB do not teach the tithe as necessary. The argument that some here seem to delight in is practically irrelevant .

To restate: Dave asked the following -- WHO teaches mandatory tithe , not is mandatory tithe right.

 

The direction of the thread would be of no concern if the originator (Dave W) didn't ask that it be kept to those parameters    kapisch?

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My church matches Kita's position. I do believe that 'the tithe is the Lord's', and that as it predates the Law, is not necessarily bound by the law. Frankly, though, I don't see it as an area of separation (I'd be more likely to separate from a church that took it directly off your paycheck!), as long as the principles of giving to The Lord and supporting the pastor are in place.

Faith Promise is an area that's a bit grayer. We do it, but I tend to consider it more of an organized giving to missions than actually believing/acting on the faith promise principle. Guess I don't have much faith...

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I would appreciate your thoughts about these two articles on tithing.  My personal beliefs on this subject were partly formed by these two articles and their scripture references, that the tithe is a commandment.

 

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." 

 

 

http://www.baptistchallenge.org/challenge/09augtbc.pdf

 

http://www.baptistchallenge.org/challenge/10aprtbc.pdf

Edited by swathdiver

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My church matches Kita's position. I do believe that 'the tithe is the Lord's', and that as it predates the Law, is not necessarily bound by the law. Frankly, though, I don't see it as an area of separation (I'd be more likely to separate from a church that took it directly off your paycheck!), as long as the principles of giving to The Lord and supporting the pastor are in place.

Faith Promise is an area that's a bit grayer. We do it, but I tend to consider it more of an organized giving to missions than actually believing/acting on the faith promise principle. Guess I don't have much faith...

Our church handles missions 3 ways: 1) some missionaries the church has obligated themselves to support for a set amount monthly, 2) some are supported by Sunday School classes that have decided to do so (amount may vary month to month), 3) some missionaries are supported by individuals who have obligated themselves (they give designated to such missionary and the church cuts check at end of month, if they don't give it the church is not obligated, if they leave they have obligated themselves and should have the character to continue in their new church -- their former church is not obligated to continue it), then we have missionaries sent out through the church who handles the support as it comes in.

 

Sounds complicated but actually works smooth.

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I would appreciate your thoughts about these two articles on tithing. My personal beliefs on this subject were partly formed by these two articles and their scripture references, that the tithe is a commandment.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."


http://www.baptistchallenge.org/challenge/09augtbc.pdf

http://www.baptistchallenge.org/challenge/10aprtbc.pdf


with the greatest of respect, could discussion on these articles be done in it's own thread.

A quick look at them seems they are worthy of discussion.

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I teach giving as the Lord prospers, and according to your love of the Lord and His work, not a tithe. We live in a very small and depressed community-many of our folks are either unemployed, due to lack of employment, or on a fixed income due to disability or retirement. And by retirement, I don't mean they hit 50 and stopped working, but I mean, like 85 years old.  Still people give as they can and in many different ways, and some in both financial as well as time and labor.

 

I believe the tithe was claerly OT, Abraham and Jacob gave because they chose to, and Abraham gave, not of his own, but of the spoils of war, and is never seen 'tithing; again. Jacob said he would give, but with the condition that God would first do for him-not exactly what we would consider biblical tithing today. As well, OT tithing was not just 10%-there was one that was 50%, and that was spent on food and drink for a big shin-dig with the rest of Israel. Again, not what we would normally consider a 'biblical' tithe, as some are encouraged to give today.

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I believe in, and practice tithing, and I have been exceedingly blessed. (whether tithing has anything to do with it or not, God has seen fit to bless my family).  I do it partly because of a verse in 2 Cor. 8 that says we should give equallly: (percentage-wise)

 

2Co 8:14  But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

 

It used to be that most Baptists tithed, without questioning the veracity of the tithe.

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Really, you have one person who obviously has a bitter root about tithing that started all these various threads.  It has already been stated that they believe in giving, whatever you want to call this terminology would seem to be semantics and word games really.  It would appear that what each of us does regarding giving is working for us.  

 

It would appear that just from the "opinions" given in this thread that the context of the OP are incorrect, that the majority of IFB churches don't teach tithing.  While they may not use the term, they teach the principle.

 

You asked for opinions and this is mine.  Everyone should give to the church and we all agree on that point. 

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But tithing is certainly a safe place to start, as long as the pastor is encouraging it for personal Christian growth rather than personal gain.

 

Amen, tithing, giving, offering whatever you want to call it must be of the heart, giving back to God of what He has given us.  Without this love nothing much will happen.

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I see no issue with people giving and being taught to give-but I have seen the issue of tithing too often used as a demand for someone to give, always give, even to the detriment of their family.

 

One example: I attended a church where the pastor taught tithing from a very legalistic point of view. One Sunday and man come to him and tld him of a particular money ssue he was having. Now, this man always gave, so he couldn't be pointed at as an example of 'God will take His tithe one way or another', which is a concept I disagree with, anyways. So, he tells the pastor that he can't give that week, and the pastor tells him, Give your tithe as you are supposed to, and see me after church, and I will give it back to you'.

 

Now, we see here the legalistic position many IFB churchesd have taken with the tithe-ths pastor probably learned this somewhere. He was a graduate of HAB-maybe there? It had basically been an issue of apearance-not even trusting God, since he knew, in putting it in, the pastor wuld give it back. Legalism. We give as we are prospered, not as we hope to be prospered. Jacob gave as he was prospered, Abraham in his one example of tithing, gave as he had been prospered, neither of them in their want. This follows the Bible. 

"Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1Cor 16:2)

 

It goes to follow that, if one has not been financially prospered that week, that month, if one is going through some financial difficulty, has lost a job, has illness come upon them, there should be no expectation of laying up in store for giving. The teaching of the tithe, as is taught in many places, seems to turn it into a leglaistic and burdensome thing.

 

 

Hope this didn't hijack the thread. I agree with the above comment, Ohio Patriot, except this is why I believe the terminogy is important, as well-because it teaches, or at least implies, legalism.

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