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Revelation - A Study Of Prophecy

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I posted a few days ago in my status that I am currently studying the Book of Revelation for college, as well as preparing to teach this in my Sunday School class.  A few seemed interested in this topic so I am starting a thread to possibly discuss this.  I am several weeks into this study for college and this week will be my first week teaching this in Sunday School.  I teach the Berean Class, for adults, digging deeper into scripture. 

 

I am posting this in the IFB area, and this forum is not open to you if you are not Independent Fundamental Baptist.  I do not mind disagreements or differences of opinions, but since I starting this forum, and I laying a few ground rules up front, I will not expect nor tolerate any arguing or abusive language towards other forum users.  If this happens and it is within my capability I will remove the offending parties from this topic.

 

I would like in this thread to ask questions and put forth thoughts that are in either my college class and/or my Sunday School class.  In this way I will learn more, and also may find issues with items that I am teaching.  Hopefully, we will all learn something by pooling the hundreds (thousands perhaps if Jerry is included :th_popout: ) of years of biblical knowledge that is contained in the people present.  Any information that I present will only occur once I have completed that portion of the college class.  I don't want to be accused of having you kind folks helping me do my homework.   :thumbdown: The course of this discussion will of course touch on many other prophetic books of scripture.

 

A couple of points to remember. For my college class as well as for Sunday School the text book that is being used is The Book of Revelation by Clarence Larkin.  There may be things in this book that you or I personally do not agree with, however at least for college I have to formulate my answer according to that text.  Having this text book in not necessary for the use of this topic.  The book is however available on the web it was printed in 1919 I believe.  If this sounds interesting and you would like me to move forward with this topic let me know.

 

The Book of Revelation - Clarence Larkin

 

Edited to correct grammar and add link

Edited by The Ohio Patriot

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Well I'm certainly lookin' forward to this.

 

I know how it is to be tied to a textbook you may not like...if I didn't need them for the assignments I would have tossed a couple of mine in the trash about 1-2 chapters into them :shootme:

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Brother Gordon,

 

I would be willing to join you in this study and discussion as I am able.

 

From the very start, I do wish to share a point of advice, not so much for your college class, since that will be governed by the teacher, the curriculum, and the textbook, but for your Sunday School class, since you will have great leadership responsibility therein -- Consider the book of the Revelation, not simply for its information, but for its instruction.  Too many approach the book for information in order to answer their curiosity questions concerning the future of the world.  Very few approach the book for instruction in order to acquire reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness concerning their daily Christian walk.

 

Revelation 1:3 -- "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Edited by Pastor Scott Markle

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Brother Gordon,

 

I would be willing to join you in this study and discussion as I am able.

 

From the very start, I do wish to share a point of advice, not so much for your college class, since that will be governed by the teacher, the corriculum, and the textbook, but for your Sunday School class, since you will have great leadership responsibility therein -- Consider the book of the Revelation, not simply for its information, but for its instruction.  Too many approach the book for information in order to answer their curiosity questions concerning the future of the world.  Very few approach the book for instruction in order to acquire reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness concerning their daily Christian walk.

 

Revelation 1:3 -- "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

 

Pastor Markle,

 

I very much appreciate your encouragement and admonition regarding this class.  I don't mind saying that when we started the Romans class about 18 months ago that I believe God wanted me to teach Revelation at that point, but I was not ready(my flesh getting in the way).  When I was began praying concerning the next class guess what the answer was, I am trusting God because in my flesh, teaching Revelation, I would fail.  

 

I sent you an email earlier today and if you would care to expand on this with any more specifics I would very much appreciate that.

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Let's start off a little on the easy side to get the gray matter flowing.  

 

Of whom is the book of Revelation a revelation?  

 

What does the title of the book describe?

 

Of whom - Christ (Rev 1:1), given to Him by God, sent by an angel to the Apostle John.

Describes what - a revealing of previously veiled truth(s).

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Let's start off a little on the easy side to get the gray matter flowing.  

 

Of whom is the book of Revelation a revelation?  

 

What does the title of the book describe?

 

What is unveiled in the book of Revelation?

Answer #1:  "The Revelation of Jesus Christ."

Answer #2:  Revelation -- A Holy Spirit inspired uncovering and disclosure of truth.

Answer #3:  "things which must shortly come to pass"

 

An outline from Revelation 1:1:

 

1.  The revelation concerning our Lord Jesus Christ -- "The Revelation of Jesus Christ . . ."

     (Thus we should expect our Lord Jesus Christ to be THE central Person of this book.)

2.  The revelation possessed by our Lord Jesus Christ -- "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him . . ."

3.  The revelation given to our Lord Jesus Christ by the Father -- "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave . . ."

4.  The revelation to be revealed unto the servants of our Lord Jesus Christ -- ". . . to shew unto his servants . . ."

     (Thus this book is not given to answer the curiosities of unbelievers.)

5.  The revelation concerning future events -- ". . . to shew . . . things which must shortly come to pass . . ."

     (At least, it was to reveal future events in relation to the timing of its original revealing through John.)

6.  The revelation sent and signified unto and through John -- "And he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John."

Edited by Pastor Scott Markle

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What is unveiled in the book of Revelation?

 

Sorry, I totally missed that part of the question ("I don't read so good" it seems....).  I agree with what Bro. Scott said.

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Revelation

 

Daniel 12:4,8-10

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

Many of the great bible teachers of the past were not permitted to understand. Remember this when you study their writings on end time prophecy.

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Daniel 12:4,8-10

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

Revelation 22:6 -- "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass."

 

Revelation 22:10 -- "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

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Brother Gordon,

 

I would be willing to join you in this study and discussion as I am able.

 

From the very start, I do wish to share a point of advice, not so much for your college class, since that will be governed by the teacher, the curriculum, and the textbook, but for your Sunday School class, since you will have great leadership responsibility therein -- Consider the book of the Revelation, not simply for its information, but for its instruction.  Too many approach the book for information in order to answer their curiosity questions concerning the future of the world.  Very few approach the book for instruction in order to acquire reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness concerning their daily Christian walk.

 

Revelation 1:3 -- "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

Any teacher worth their salt will know how to balance the information with the application.  But let's be honest - there are some parts of Scripture that are nearly impossible to HONESTLY apply to the NT Saint today, without making some extreme distortions to the text.  So much of Revelation has to do with what Jesus called "the great tribulation" that making any DIRECT application would be disaster.  Don't worry about that part of it.

The two passages above mention distinctly "doctrine" and "knowledge."  People want to know the mysteries concealed in Revelation, so do your best to "expose them" through expository teaching of the Scripture.  Make it real.  And where the application jumps off the text of Scripture, add that in. 

IMO, Larkin is a great place to start.  There are some things I don't agree with (as with nearly every teacher/writer) but what Larkin has will form a good foundation and framework to start with, and you can add to it later with other authors as your studies continue.

 

PS - don't worry too much about having a fancy outline.  A substantive lesson is much more important.  I personally use a dry erase board, and draw a "dispensational" timeline frequently to help my class understand where we are on that timeline, and how the events we are studying fit into that timeline (i.e. OT, ministry of Christ, Church, Tribulation, Christ's kingdom, etc.)  It seems to be pretty effective.

 

In Christ,

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One method I would present to acquire applicational material from any portion of Scripture is to consider the following four points:

 

1.  Who the Lord our God is.

2.  What the Lord our God does.

3.  What the Lord our God approves.

4.  What the Lord our God disapproves.

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Maybe we differ on our definition of "application?"  I define "application" as "how can I personally (or my congregation) directly use this in my daily walk with the Lord, particularly as it relates to my testimony to the lost world."  Or something like that.

In other words, application is not some vague abstract concept.  It is a concrete action or attitude that I should have as a Christian. 

 

Example:  I would have a difficult time making any DIRECT application of Matthew 10:6-7. 

1.  We are sent to the world, not just "the house of Israel."

2.  We do not preach the Kingdom of Heaven (the promised reign of Jesus Christ on this earth), but rather the gospel of Jesus Christ. 

No DIRECT application to us today.  Indirectly - yes we are to preach....but that is about where it ends, without destroying the text and context. 

 

I hope that illustrates my point on the application.  There are many passages in Revelation that will have the same type of problem. 

Revelation 11 - deals with the 2 witnesses - not much in the way of application DIRECTLY.

Revelation 12 - deals directly with the nation of Israel exclusively.  Not much in the way of application, unless we FORCE it, and pull someting out of context.

Revelation 13 - the antichrist and false prophet, the mark of the beast.  Information.  No application.  I don't have to worry about that mark because I have been sealed by the Holy Spirit.  But I can teach on how close we are, and how events in the world a leading up to a one world government and one world dictator.  But I would consider those as "signs of the times."

Now if we wanted to make an "application" to Revelation 13, we could say, "If you are going to serve the Lord, you had better get busy, because time is running out."  But that is about it.

 

Anyway, my point here is not to argue this, but just point out my observations.  Those three chapters (for example) are to be seen as "doctrine" and "knowledge."  When we try to force a direct application as I have illustrated and defined, we do injustice to the text, we water down the REAL teaching in the passage, and we make the passages MAN-centered (i.e. what do ME-MYSELF-and I-I-I get out of it.)  Quite honestly, the Bible is the story of Jesus Christ, not man.  We just need to realize that we don't need an application out of every verse and chapter. 

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