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Updating spelling and correcting translator errors that have nothing to do with doctrine is not an issue-intentional changing is.

I do, by the way, have a reproduction of the 1611 and the doctrines are the same. And the Apocrypha of course I don't believe.

See this is why I don't hold to the Ruckman position-he says the actual 1611 is the perfect word and I don't think he even uses it.

He has done his best to make sure that people reject the AV, solely on his attitude, actions, and made up "doctrines".
Sad, because he did alot of homework that we've all been blessed by.

Anishinaabe

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This is incorrect.  There is only one King James Bible and it has had no revisions.  However, there have been several editions.

 

If I understand him correctly, by "revisions" he's referring to the correction of spelling and other typographical errors; not actual revision of the text.

 

Revision is the wrong term to use with regards to correcting typos and such.

thats right John, 

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yes

Things that are different aren't the same.

 

See, each of the new versions has a text that is copyrighted; the only way they could all be copyrighted, is if they were sybstantially different enough to be considered different books, because its against the law for two different people to copyright the same thing, while still in copyright, much less, like, 300. So they cannot all be the same.  Now, the text of the KJV is public domain, but the texts of the others are not. Why? $$$$-otherwise why would there be a need for so many updated versions? Why not one "good" one, and call it a day?

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Things that are different aren't the same.

 

See, each of the new versions has a text that is copyrighted; the only way they could all be copyrighted, is if they were sybstantially different enough to be considered different books, because its against the law for two different people to copyright the same thing, while still in copyright, much less, like, 300. So they cannot all be the same.  Now, the text of the KJV is public domain, but the texts of the others are not. Why? $$$$-otherwise why would there be a need for so many updated versions? Why not one "good" one, and call it a day?

 

 

Right Mike!  I'd like to add that for a book to different and have its own copyright, if memory serves, it has to be at least 10% different from another.  The Egyptian NIV dropped over 60,000 words compared with the King James which has about 800,000 words.  So for these Egyptian bible writers to get a lock on their translation, they have to change about 80,000 words to get a copywrite, or in NIVs case, they also deleted some 60,000 too!

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Things that are different aren't the same.

 

See, each of the new versions has a text that is copyrighted; the only way they could all be copyrighted, is if they were sybstantially different enough to be considered different books, because its against the law for two different people to copyright the same thing, while still in copyright, much less, like, 300. So they cannot all be the same.  Now, the text of the KJV is public domain, but the texts of the others are not. Why? $$$$-otherwise why would there be a need for so many updated versions? Why not one "good" one, and call it a day?

The KJV is copyrighted in England. 

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Jeffrey, none of these agree with each other.  Does God contradict himself and is he the author of confusion?

can you show me where they contradict each other? Can you prove from the originals?

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The KJV is copyrighted in England.

In England, publishers were given the right to print by the Crown. So Oxford and Cambridge University presses, for instance, can both print the same book, they have legal authority.
In the U.S., the copyright holder is officially logged in the Library of Congress with a #. This right, for legal purposes, means that the holder owns the words.

These are 2 very different "copyrights" but, then, the legs of the lame are not equal, are they?

Anishinaabe

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In England, publishers were given the right to print by the Crown. So Oxford and Cambridge University presses, for instance, can both print the same book, they have legal authority.
In the U.S., the copyright holder is officially logged in the Library of Congress with a #. This right, for legal purposes, means that the holder owns the words.

These are 2 very different "copyrights" but, then, the legs of the lame are not equal, are they?

Anishinaabe

Whatever! The KJV is a translation, like the NIV, ESV.... Again I ask you, can you prove the KJVO stance you hold from re originals?

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Even without considering the KJO position one can look at the scores of versions out there and see they don't agree in many areas, including key areas. That in itself means they are not all equal. At the least it means some are wrong, even very wrong.  

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Whatever! The KJV is a translation, like the NIV, ESV.... Again I ask you, can you prove the KJVO stance you hold from re originals?
What KJVO stance? The Reina Valera 1601 is the Word of God, even to 1909 update. I hold no position that English is a superior language to Spanish or any other tongue. Psa 12:6-7 6 The words of the LORD are pure words:as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (WCV) Psa 12:6-7 6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (KJV) Psa 12:6-7 6 Las palabras de Jehová, palabras limpias; Plata refinada en horno de tierra, Purificada siete veces. 7 Tú, Jehová, los guardarás; Guárdalos para siempre de aquesta generación. (RV09) Psa 11:7-8 7 The spechis of the Lord ben chast spechis; siluer examynyd bi fier, preued fro erthe, purgid seuen fold. 8 Thou, Lord, schalt kepe vs; and thou schalt kepe vs fro this generacioun with outen ende. (WYC) Anishinaabe Edited by prophet1

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can you show me where they contradict each other? Can you prove from the originals?

 

Yes I can to both if you were so willing.  When you have the time, google Sam Gipp and What's the Big Deal and watch at least the first two videos on youtube or wherever you find them.  It will take less than 20 minutes of your time.

 

 

 

http://bigdealKJv.com/

 

Following the Lord is not easy Jeffrey.  You will lose family and friends and forsake beloved sins.  Which is more important to a man, following God through His Word or the things of this world?

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Yes I can to both if you were so willing.  When you have the time, google Sam Gipp and What's the Big Deal and watch at least the first two videos on youtube or wherever you find them.  It will take less than 20 minutes of your time.
 

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I've seen these, they don't convince me: especially coming from Gipp, a man who once claimed that a Russian would have to learn English to correctly read the Bible, he once claimed that there was no true Bible before 1611, and no other version of Scriptur has done more for God than the 1611,

I can show you the videos if him making these statements.
Instead if worry what the KJV says, you should worry about what The Lord says

 

That's not surprising.  Pride is often our worst enemy.

 

As for Gipp, YES, I'd like to see those videos you mentioned.

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That's not surprising. Pride is often our worst enemy.

As for Gipp, YES, I'd like to see those videos you mentioned.

Gipp needs to just preach the Word, and let actual scholars, with the gift of tongues debate the KJB issue.

Anishinaabe

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Forgive me, I don't know you well, are you being serious or facetious?

Serious as a 4-alarm fire...
Gipp makes it harder to defend the AV, not easier.
Ruckman, as well, because of his poor testimony, casts a stumbling block.

Anishinaabe

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Not sure what the gift of tongues would have to do with it

 

The problem with all this is, if you really want to get into understanding the differences between the versions, it will take much more than we can do here. It takes going to the various sources of those who have studied it indepth, unless of course one has access to the various manuscripts and such evidences themselves.

 

There are a preacher by the name of Jewel Smith-some of you might have known him. He had the largest private collection of ancient Bibles and manuscripts, incuding cuniform, in the world. He was also the only private citizen to have a photocopy of the complete Isaiah scroll from the from the dead sea scrolls. His years of study and hands-on research brought him to a position of holding the KJV to be the mtrue preserved word of God over the others.

 

But the bottom line is, there are differences between them. And I ask again as I have before, if all we need is a modern English version, why do we have so many? There are over 300 complete or partial Bibles in English out there-why? Do we really need a Green Bible and a Men's Bible and a Women's Bible and an African-american Bible and a youth Bible and a magazine-style Bible for girls, a Queen James Bible, a NIV, NKJV, NLT, NASB, LB, The Word, ASV, the message, the Berkley Bible, ad nauseum? Honestly, what is the point?

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