Members brosmith Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieEql2qE5ik This is a Michael W Smith song entitled "Christmastime". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVrQkgLM-PQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swathdiver Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 Not to derail your post but I once read on JesusIsSavior that this particular pose for the album cover was satanic and done deliberate. With all MWS has said about God and Christ it would not surprise me. Why are they going soft on separation? What's the bible say about offending those little ones on stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brosmith Posted May 23, 2013 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 Another example of CCM being used by Temple Baptist Church: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WIXN_x7AA This is a song entitled "Lamb of Glory" by Steve Green. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1IZctxGmFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brosmith Posted May 23, 2013 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 One more example of CCM being used by Temple Baptist Church: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbX3X-3XSH4 This is a song entitled "I Stand Redeemed" by Legacy Five. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTons-Osjgs I know that Legacy Five is promoted as a southern gospel group but you couldn't tell it by this song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brosmith Posted May 23, 2013 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I've got one more example of CCM being used by Temple Baptist Church: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfgjl_HMbow This is a song entitled "There is a Redeemer" by Keith Green. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQSuTP5OHBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CharlesSpurgeonJr Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 It is so sad to see such a Church (conducted by a godly-man) using such garbage ! What's the point behind that ? Gaining two lost people and loosing dozen of born-again, bible followers ? I really don't understand such attitude ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 Sexton has been going his own direction, and joining with similar others, for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted May 23, 2013 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2013 David Cloud, as most know, has been speaking about this sort of thing going on in other churches, like Lancaster Baptist, a soft separatism, where we go digging into the the trashcan of CCM looking for that morsel that 'isn't so bad'. And of course, once it is adapted and no longer soulds like CCM, then other churches hear it and like it and get a copy for their choir. And therre is a spirit with that music, just as with rock music, a spirit of compromise, that will begin t grow-slowly, yes, but surely, none the less, unless it is seen for what it is and stopped. And that church will eventually go completely contemporary. Satan is patient-it doesn't have to happen right away, but it WILL happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quinkie Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I listened to three of these songs done at TBC (I Stand Redeemed, There is a Redeemer and Lamb of Glory) and i may be dense, but i did not see anything unscriptural about them. Is the problem the writers of the songs, the original singers of the songs, the words of the song? I am just not getting it. I only listened to the way it was done in the church. Can someone enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I listened to three of these songs done at TBC (I Stand Redeemed, There is a Redeemer and Lamb of Glory) and i may be dense, but i did not see anything unscriptural about them. Is the problem the writers of the songs, the original singers of the songs, the words of the song? I am just not getting it. I only listened to the way it was done in the church. Can someone enlighten me? I was wondering about the I Stand Redeemed song. That sounded more like old time Gospel Quartet than anything like CCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wretched Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 Quinkie: I think the point of the issue is that these songs were originally created as rock-style CCM. This subtle conversion to hymn type orchestration is how CCM gets the foothold and over time, they'll be jamming like any worldly "church" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I think the point of the issue is that these songs were originally created as rock-style CCM. This subtle conversion to hymn type orchestration is how CCM gets the foothold and over time, they'll be jamming like any worldly "church" Does I Stand Redeemed fit into that category? I'm not aware of the origins of that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wretched Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm not sure brother, I will defer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brosmith Posted May 23, 2013 Author Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 I was wondering about the I Stand Redeemed song. That sounded more like old time Gospel Quartet than anything like CCM. Legacy Five is the writer and producer of I Stand Redeemed. They are billed as a southern gospel group (they were formed from the remnants of the Cathedral Quartet). As a side note, this information comes by searching online not by any personal interest on my part. To answer your question: An old time gospel quartet wouldn't use a rock beat in their music. Legacy Five does use a rock beat. It is my opinion that they are a CCM crossover group. The song "I Stand Redeemed" is a perfect of the CCM style being used by Legacy Five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted May 23, 2013 Members Share Posted May 23, 2013 Legacy Five is the writer and producer of I Stand Redeemed. They are billed as a southern gospel group (they were formed from the remnants of the Cathedral Quartet). As a side note, this information comes by searching online not by any personal interest on my part. To answer your question: An old time gospel quartet wouldn't use a rock beat in their music. Legacy Five does use a rock beat. It is my opinion that they are a CCM crossover group. The song "I Stand Redeemed" is a perfect of the CCM style being used by Legacy Five. Maybe I just missed it, but I didn't notice the rock beat from the video. I didn't have my speakers very loud either so maybe I couldn't hear it. Thank you for the information. I've never heard of Legacy Five before now. I do know of some Southern Gospel groups of the modern sort which use heavy beats and often loud music. We were given a free DVD sample which at the time I thought was of Gospel Quartets but turned out to be of modern Southern Gospel groups, and while the singing was mostly good, most of the songs had heavy, rockin' type music with them, and in some scenes where you could see a drummer or electric guitar player, they had long, unkempt hair and they were moving and making faces as if they were in a rock band. Not a DVD we'll probably ever watch again. In fact, it will probably end up in the trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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