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I'm assuming Freewill Baptists believe some level of Arminianism but don't know for sure. Do they believe you can be lost again of you sin and don't confess it before you die, or do they believe you can 'renounce" and be lost...or both?

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Reason I'm asking. is a rep from a local Freewill Baptist church ordered something from my company which is a custom item which I cannot resell, They have not paid, and aren't returning my calls. Sure wouln't want them to "check out" with any unconfessed sin.

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Never heard of a "freewill baptist" - could simply be an over-reaction to "reformed baptist"?

Not good in any case, regardless of what they call themselves.

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What Free Will Baptists believe:

  • God - We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Righteous Ruler of the universe. He has revealed Himself in nature, and in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: yet as one God.
  • Jesus Christ - He is God's unique Son; the only one of a kind. The Scripture teaches that He is God revealed in flesh. In His Divine nature He is truly God and in His human nature truly man. He is the One once crucified for man's sin, the now risen and glorified Savior and Lord who mediates between God and man and who gives us access to the Father through His intercession. None can come to the Father unless they come through Him.
  • Holy Spirit - All of the attributes of God are ascribed to the Holy Spirit by the Scriptures. It is He who convicts and convinces men of their sin. He also convinces man of that which is right, and that a final day of judgment will come. He, it is, who comes to live in us at conversion, to open our understanding to the Scripture, and to lead us into the truth.
  • The Bible - God used holy men to write the Scriptures. They are, in both the Old and New Testaments, the very words God intended us to have. They are, as given by God, without error and are our only rule of faith and practice. We profit from them by learning the truth about many things: they also speak to us about wrong doing; they even correct us and get us back on course as well as instructing us in right living.
  • Man - God created man in a state of innocence. Man, being tempted by Satan, yielded and willfully disobeyed God, becoming a sinner and incurring God's judgment upon sin. All of Adam's descendants inherit his fallen nature and thus have a natural inclination to sin. When one comes to an age of accountability, he is guilty of sinning before God and in need of salvation.
  • God's Relationship to His Creatures and Creation - God exercises a wise and benevolent providence over all beings and things. He maintains the laws of nature and performs special acts as the highest welfare of mankind and His created order of things require.
  • Salvation - Man receives pardon and forgiveness for his sins when he admits to God that he is a sinner, when in godly sorrow he turns from them and trusts in the work of Christ as redemption for his sin. This acceptance of God's great salvation involves belief in Christ's death on the cross as man's substitute and the fact of God's raising Him from the dead as predicted. It is a salvation by grace alone and not of works.
  • Who Can be Saved? - It is God's will that all be saved, but since man has the power of choice, God saves only those who repent of their sin and believe in the work of Christ on the cross. Those who refuse in this life to repent and believe have no later chance to be saved and thus condemn themselves to eternal damnation by their unbelief.
  • Perseverance - We believe that there are strong grounds to hope that the saved will persevere unto the end and be saved because of the power of divine grace pledged for their support. We believe that any saved person who has sinned (whether we call him a backslider or sinner), but has a desire to repent, may do so and be restored to God's favor and fellowship. Since man, however, continues to have free choice, it is possible because of temptations and the weakness of human flesh for him to fall into the practice of sin and to make shipwreck of his faith and be lost.
  • Gospel Ordinances - Free Will Baptists believe the Bible teaches three ordinances for the church to practice: Baptism in water by immersion, the Lord's Supper, to be perpetuated until His return, and the Washing of the Saints' feet, an ordinance teaching humility.
  • Resurrection - Free Will Baptists believe the Scriptures teach the resurrection of the bodies of all men, each in its own order; they that have done good will come forth to the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil to the resurrection of damnation.
  • Church Government - Free Will Baptist churches enjoy local church autonomy (self-governing). The local church is the highest authority in the denomination. Local churches voluntarily organize themselves into quarterly meetings, district, state, and national associations for the purpose of promoting the cause of Christ on the local, state, district, national, and world-wide level.
  • Christ's Second Coming - The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, who ascended on high and sits at the right hand of God, will come again to close the Gospel dispensation, glorify His saints, and judge the world.
  • Missions - Free Will Baptists believe that Jesus commanded the church to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. For an in-depth study of Free Will Baptist beliefs and practices, ask for a copy of the Free Will Baptist Treatise.

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I'm assuming Freewill Baptists believe some level of Arminianism but don't know for sure. Do they believe you can be lost again of you sin and don't confess it before you die, or do they believe you can 'renounce" and be lost...or both?

Thanks

 

Reason I'm asking. is a rep from a local Freewill Baptist church ordered something from my company which is a custom item which I cannot resell, They have not paid, and aren't returning my calls. Sure wouln't want them to "check out" with any unconfessed sin.

 

They believe somewhat like the coC. And can lose their salvation.

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I've known Freewill Baptists before. I worked with a man who was a Freewill Baptist about 30 years ago. He was a very nice person, pleasant to work with, and always very polite. However, he believed as already pointed out that salvation may be lost by the saved individual. I discussed it with him at length on many occasions. If I recall correctly, he based his "lose salvation" belief on Hebrews 6:4-6.

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What a misreading of Hebrews 6:4-6!  It clearly points to once saved, always saved.  At the same time it also teaches us that "backsliders" were never saved to begin with.  To be more specific, those who professed Christ, to then leave their NT church, grow their hair long and join a rock band were never saved to begin with. 

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What a misreading of Hebrews 6:4-6!  It clearly points to once saved, always saved.  At the same time it also teaches us that "backsliders" were never saved to begin with.  To be more specific, those who professed Christ, to then leave their NT church, grow their hair long and join a rock band were never saved to begin with. 

No, that doesn't teach that a saved person can't backslide or if they wear their hair unbiblically or play rock music they were never saved. Scripture clearly teaches elsewhere that backsliding does happen. Scripture also teaches that the Holy Ghost will work to convict backsliders, and also teaches that at least in some cases there comes a point that some unrepentant backsliders may lose their lives early. Scripture also teaches there are some who are born again yet their lives are lived in such a manner everything they did will be burned up, they will receive no rewards at all, yet they are saved and enter heaven.

 

Freewill baptists basically teach that one must be born again, and then walk in near perfection in order to be assured of heaven, because if they sin and die without having repented and returned to a perfect walk with God, they will die unsaved. By extention, this would mean had a Freewill Baptist been born again at a young age, walked in near perfection, being sure to quickly repent of any sin for the next 50 years, and then look at an immodest image on a billboard and have a fleeting lust cross their mind and they plow into a semi and die, they would die unsaved. Totally unbiblical teaching. That's a works based salvation that is dependent upon ones own good works to keep them saved.

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Proverbs 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

This is one of my favorite verses.

I know during my first few years as a Christian it often seemed it was one step forward and two steps back! I'm so thankful the Lord's promise to never leave or forsake us is true. By the grace of God, no matter how far off the narrow path I wondered, the Lord always got my attention and led me back.

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Actually no,

If the Freewill Baptists believe you can "have it and lose it", how can they believe that if you don't persevere, you never had it?

Read their statement of faith. They teach perseverance of the saints. Same as a Calvinist. There is a slight difference in how they approach the doctrine but at the end of the day both parties are depending on their works to persevere to the end, or at least, as a sign that they have persevered to the end.

 

I've also have heard it from both Arminians and Calvinsts that if you backslide then you were probably not even saved to begin with. Especially if it was a particularly egregious sin committed. 

 

A true bible believer believes that the Lord will preserve him to the end.

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I find it ironic how Free Will Baptists agree with Calvinists on the point of perseverance. They essentially are teaching the same thing. Both say a believer must persevere and if he doesn't then he was never saved to begin with.

 

The coC, along with the Freewill, believes you can lose your salvation, & you can regain it by good works.

 

Had a friend's son of the coC that told me, "I wish I could have the faith that you have."

 

I replied, "What do you mean?"

 

He them said, "The faith that your saved by grace though faith & that you cannot lose your salvation."

 

I attempted to explain it to him starting in Ephesians 2:8,9.

 

He replied, "I just can't believe that."

 

I asked, "Why not? Doesn't the Bible clearly say its by faith though Christ, not of your self, not of works, its a gift, which clearly tells you that when you think you lose your salvation that no amount of good works will re-save you"

 

He still messes up big time, them for a very short time he will work very hard while attending church services, thinking he has gained his salvation back, them fall back out of church, his wife is the same way.

 

His father was a good long time friend & also of the coC, at his death his wife asked me, a Baptist pastor, to preach his funeral services.

 

It would seem to me that the teachings of the coC would make more sense if they taught to regain your lost salvation, you would have to be baptized again, being as they believe baptizing saves them the 1st time. Of course it would still be false teaching.

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Most all Baptists teach perseverance of the saints, the difference being what they mean by perseverance.

 

For those who believe in a works based salvation, by perseverance they mean a person must hold onto their salvation by the life they live.

 

What Baptists who teach biblical salvation mean by perseverance is that those born again will persevere because they are sealed and indwelt by the Holy Ghost.

 

Scripture speaks in several places of Christians persevering unto the end and that those who persevere unto the end shall be saved.

 

Most IFB churches also teach that if a professing Christian comes to reject Christ or seem to fall away, that's evidence they were never saved to begin with. That's different than backsliding, which most Baptist churches acknowledge, while those who teach a works based salvation deny.

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It must be exhausting to try and regain your salvation every time you sin.  No wonder so many fall away, it's too hard.  I know of a JW who still holds to their beliefs but doesn't bother anymore, it was just too much work, too hard to keep his salvation.  Poor wretches.

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