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The general lounge area is open to absolutely anyone. The IFB lounge area is a place where IFB-minded folks can have a discussion without having to deal with outside inputs, jabs, or attacks. Such has occured here before where several with very non-IFB viewpoints will take every opportunity to derail discussions so they can attack IFB views and/or promote their particular views.


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Not everyone wants to attend the big church, I'm one of them.  :biggrin:

 

Plus, I would be very careful about saying a small church is stagnant or dying. There was only 8 souls on the ark. There was only 4 souls came out of Sodom, & one of them looked back. There was only two souls that came out of the 40 years of wandering in the desert into the promise land above the age of 20, Caleb & Joshua.

These are local Methodist churches so I've been familiar with them most of my life. If all three combined they would move from being three tiny churches to becoming one small church. Of the three main churches in this area, they would still be the smallest.

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a) I don't know who has access here.
B) I don't know who is and isn't IFB here.
c) I think it should be a matter of personal honesty and integrity, not of "mod work".

You can tell if someone has access to this forum by simply looking at the members groups. If they have *Independent Fundamental Baptist then they have access. 

 

 

In the screenshot, those with the green asterisks have access to the forum.

 

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To Dave, Jerry numbers, and whoever it may concern:

I left my IFB church, of 26 years, a year ago last August. IF Bro Matt wants to verify for you, I applied to join this IFB forum long before that time; and after I did leave my IFB church, I openly acknowledged it here but was allowed to continue access anyway. So, as for myself, I have not applied deceptively

 

Please, don't worry about me, I'm not the keeper, I'm not the judge, I don't make the rules, laws. All God did is call me to be pastor of one of His churches. On this forum I'm just another member, no different than any other member, if I deserved more respect than other members I would place Brother & or something else in front of or after my name. I try as best I can never to think to highly of myself & promote myself above others, but always try to promote my Lord. That is I'm just a mere man like you.

 

Its all between you & God. As Bro. Matt stated in the beginning when he started such forums, "I'm using the honor system, I'll take each persons word." I think that is a wonderful method to use, after all we are all accountable to God.

 

Although I think this is a very good topic. Its a good topic because some have stated on this forum that its OK to lie in some situation, & just because they may lie about certain things that does not make them dishonest people. I highly disagree, a person who will lie about one thing is not an honest person.

 

And each & everyone of us needs to always examine our self closely & try as best we possibly can to glorify our Lord in every way we can by following Jesus closely, being like Him as much as we can, being as honest as we possibly about every thing.

 

To be honest to stretch the truth to get into an IFB forum would be no different that a man that would stretch the truth to get into a woman's only forum or a woman that would stretch the truth to get into a mans only forum.

 

Someone explain to me how can a person be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if they're not a member of & attending an Independent Fundamental Baptist? You know, being a member in good standing at The 1st Nondenominational Church of in city, county, or state in this country is not the same as being an same as being a member of a Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. And if a person is a member of a Southern Baptist Church that is not the same as being a member of a Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. Things that are different, are not the same.

 

On here is the first time I've heard of anyone claiming membership in two different Churches at the same time. Generally a person that's a member of a Church that wishes to join up with another church will move his letter from one church to another if its a like church. If not a like church them he quiets the previous church, & joins up with a new one in the manner they accept members, which is usually by letter, statement, or profession of faith plus being baptized.

 

But as I mentioned earlier, let everyone examine their self. its not for me to do. And that's about the same words I will use when preaching, for I do not examine other people, that's between them & God.

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Jerry,

 I have added this statement to the "bio" section of my profile.

If anyone thinks I should stop using the IFB forum, feel free to let me know. Bro Matt has said I can stay.

I, Wayne Webb, AKA :"Heartstrings" joined Online Baptist several years ago. I also  joined the group "Independent Fundamental Baptist Forums" during the time I was a member of my IFB church of 26 years membership. I am presently attending and serving in a SBC while not in agreement with the dress standards or the use of other Bible versions.My beliefs have not changed with my change of membership other than learning that the people in said SBC church clearly and truly love Gof, each other, and sinners.  I still use ONLY a KJB and still consider myself a "fundamental baptist" because that is the truth.

Have also publicly acknowledged the fact that I no longer attend an IFB church and the owner of this forum has said that I can continue in said forum.

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Jerry,

 I have added this statement to the "bio" section of my profile.

If anyone thinks I should stop using the IFB forum, feel free to let me know. Bro Matt has said I can stay.

 

You did not read my post, please read it again, if you understand it them you will not address such a post to me.

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I thought I did read it.,, and since I have openly stated that I am a member of a SBC............was it or was it not addressed to or at me?

 

Please, don't worry about me, I'm not the keeper, I'm not the judge, I don't make the rules, laws. All God did is call me to be pastor of one of His churches. On this forum I'm just another member, no different than any other member, if I deserved more respect than other members I would place Brother & or something else in front of or after my name. I try as best I can never to think to highly of myself & promote myself above others, but always try to promote my Lord. That is I'm just a mere man like you.

 

Its all between you & God. As Bro. Matt stated in the beginning when he started such forums, "I'm using the honor system, I'll take each persons word." I think that is a wonderful method to use, after all we are all accountable to God.

 

Although I think this is a very good topic. Its a good topic because some have stated on this forum that its OK to lie in some situation, & just because they may lie about certain things that does not make them dishonest people. I highly disagree, a person who will lie about one thing is not an honest person.

 

And each & everyone of us needs to always examine our self closely & try as best we possibly can to glorify our Lord in every way we can by following Jesus closely, being like Him as much as we can, being as honest as we possibly about every thing.

 

To be honest to stretch the truth to get into an IFB forum would be no different that a man that would stretch the truth to get into a woman's only forum or a woman that would stretch the truth to get into a mans only forum.

 

Someone explain to me how can a person be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if they're not a member of & attending an Independent Fundamental Baptist? You know, being a member in good standing at The 1st Nondenominational Church of in city, county, or state in this country is not the same as being an same as being a member of a Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. And if a person is a member of a Southern Baptist Church that is not the same as being a member of a Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. Things that are different, are not the same.

 

On here is the first time I've heard of anyone claiming membership in two different Churches at the same time. Generally a person that's a member of a Church that wishes to join up with another church will move his letter from one church to another if its a like church. If not a like church them he quiets the previous church, & joins up with a new one in the manner they accept members, which is usually by letter, statement, or profession of faith plus being baptized.

 

But as I mentioned earlier, let everyone examine their self. its not for me to do. And that's about the same words I will use when preaching, for I do not examine other people, that's between them & God.

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So are we to the point now in this forum that we have to submit a statement of faith and pass a IFB litmus test to dare venture upon this holy site? Maybe we should have a FBI backround check done and submit the results to that too. Or get tested form illegal performance enhancement drugs? Don't forget to remove your shoes when typing too.

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So are we to the point now in this forum that we have to submit a statement of faith and pass a IFB litmus test to dare venture upon this holy site? Maybe we should have a FBI backround check done and submit the results to that too. Or get tested form illegal performance enhancement drugs? Don't forget to remove your shoes when typing too.


Not at all.
If anyone is happy to venture into an area that is titled Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist

Then that is between them and the Lord.

Personally, I have no qualms being here.
My conscience is clear. It appears from what heartstrings has posted that he is fine with it.
I get the impression that John feels justified in being here.
I think Jerry feels ok about it.
Bro Matt appears comfortable.

If you are happy with it then what's the big deal?

I really don't understand why some feel it is unfair to ask people to examine their hearts on a matter of honesty.
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Dave,

If you, as a member of an Independent Fundamental Baptist, believed all of the "fundamentals" of the faith that most IFB's commonly hold to, but, because of circumstances beyond your control or a heresy of some kind entering into your particular local church, and had no other IFB church within reasonable driving distance which you had peace about moving your membership to. So you changed your membership to a Baptist church of another 'denomination', even  though you still considered yourself a "fundamentalist", would you cease participating in this forum? I haven't joined any "SBC" forums; are there any? Suppose, because of some political upheaval or circumstances beyond your control, you had to move to America, found some nice friends here, and was treated well, but you still missed your country, it's customs, and your people? Is that a good analogy?

 

 

 

I really don't understand why some feel it is unfair to ask people to examine their hearts on a matter of honesty.

I don't think it's unfair at all. The Bible clearly tells us to avoid even the appearance of evil so if my being here is a stumbling block to anyone, I sure don't want that,   Do you think I'm  in the wrong for continuing to participate in this forum?

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Seems you did not read this part.

 

"Please, don't worry about me, I'm not the keeper, I'm not the judge, I don't make the rules, laws."

Yes, I read that part.  If you did make the rules here, and in light of my particular situation, would you allow me to continue to post in this IFB forum?

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Brothers, I am not trying to get involved here, but I am seeing a lot of contention. This thread was started by Dave to address the issue of those who do not identify themselves as IFB should have access to the IFB specific portion of the board. Every single person that has posted on this thread associates themselves with IFB, so what is the problem? I would think that it is safe to say that those here (in heartstrings case) would attend an IFB church, if there was a biblically sound one close by. If I recall an earlier post of his correctly, out of the three churches nearby, they are SBC and two of them are compromised in the pastorate. So the church he attends is the most biblically sound one in his area.

 

It should not matter if one actually attends a local IFB church, but rather that they uphold and adhere to the doctrine established in the Bible and stated on this site. If someone agrees to that, then their heart is right and they are like-minded. Trying to delve into technicalities only causes strife, and is not edifying to anyone. This post is not directed towards one single person or side of the issue, but rather to all those involved in the conversation. Let's not fret over where someone goes to church, but rather focus on whether they believe the Bible or not.

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Brothers, I am not trying to get involved here, but I am seeing a lot of contention. This thread was started by Dave to address the issue of those who do not identify themselves as IFB should have access to the IFB specific portion of the board. Every single person that has posted on this thread associates themselves with IFB, so what is the problem? I would think that it is safe to say that those here (in heartstrings case) would attend an IFB church, if there was a biblically sound one close by. If I recall an earlier post of his correctly, out of the three churches nearby, they are SBC and two of them are compromised in the pastorate. So the church he attends is the most biblically sound one in his area.

 

It should not matter if one actually attends a local IFB church, but rather that they uphold and adhere to the doctrine established in the Bible and stated on this site. If someone agrees to that, then their heart is right and they are like-minded. Trying to delve into technicalities only causes strife, and is not edifying to anyone. This post is not directed towards one single person or side of the issue, but rather to all those involved in the conversation. Let's not fret over where someone goes to church, but rather focus on whether they believe the Bible or not.

Correction, out of the four IFB churches near here, three have pastors who "keep each other informed". For instance, One of them told me that the other pastor said that I "chewed him out". Those were the words he used and he used them in front of two witnesses, funny he never mentioned it to me in private. It weas an attack on my character. But when I asked the other pastor if he had said that, he denied saying it and said "our conversation was not on that level" . So you see, I can't continue staying within a circle of men who talebear but can't keep their story straight. The fourth is not included in their "circle" but their pastor is a divorced/remarried man so I can't attend that church with a good conscience either..I am attending and serving in a SBC church with is DOCTRINALLY sound but I would not say entirely BIBLICALLY sound because not all of them use King James Bibles; including the pastor.

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So are we to the point now in this forum that we have to submit a statement of faith and pass a IFB litmus test to dare venture upon this holy site? Maybe we should have a FBI backround check done and submit the results to that too. Or get tested form illegal performance enhancement drugs? Don't forget to remove your shoes when typing too.

 

It seems your reading skills are very poor, either that are you ignore some things, I don't know which one it is. Its been pointed out the honor system is used several times by me & by others, but I'm pointing it out in this post at least two more times for your benefit.

 

Bro. Matt uses the honor system. And that is a very good system to use, but usually there will always be on or more than will take advantage of the honor system. And its very sad that a christian would do so.

 

And once again, I think this is a very good topic, to remind everyone, even in use of the honor system its wrong to deceive.

 

So in the end that means let each persons conscience be their guide.

 

PS: With each person conscience be their guide, & its the honor system, that means they own me, nor anyone else, not even Bro. Matt, & explanation of why they ask to be part of the IFB Group. So please! No more explaining openly why your in that group, or why you deserve the right to be a part of that group. Its only between you & God. 

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Dave W I get your point and think it's an excellent one. But the argument goes around and around.  It just seems that technicalities are argued far more than the heart. Kind of sad to see. 

 

Not addressed to me, but its a big AMEN!

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.......the argument goes around and around. It just seems that technicalities are argued far more than the heart. Kind of sad to see.

 

I was saved in my IFB church, was still in the IFB church when I joined the IFB  forum. When I left the church, I aknowledged it publicly and Bro Matt indicated that it was OK for me to stay. I don't agree with the dress standards and the Bible versions of my present church but I'm not whineing or causeing a stink about it while I'm there eithe. They were gracious and kind enough to let me join their church. As to my heart, it is still in the IFB church and the beloved Holy King James Bible; my Wife and daughter are still in dresses ans skirts and we still try to "live right. dress right and spit white" so where is the" technicalities", ma'am? I never joined this board under false pretenses.

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Brothers, I am not trying to get involved here, but I am seeing a lot of contention. This thread was started by Dave to address the issue of those who do not identify themselves as IFB should have access to the IFB specific portion of the board. Every single person that has posted on this thread associates themselves with IFB, so what is the problem? I would think that it is safe to say that those here (in heartstrings case) would attend an IFB church, if there was a biblically sound one close by. If I recall an earlier post of his correctly, out of the three churches nearby, they are SBC and two of them are compromised in the pastorate. So the church he attends is the most biblically sound one in his area.

 

It should not matter if one actually attends a local IFB church, but rather that they uphold and adhere to the doctrine established in the Bible and stated on this site. If someone agrees to that, then their heart is right and they are like-minded. Trying to delve into technicalities only causes strife, and is not edifying to anyone. This post is not directed towards one single person or side of the issue, but rather to all those involved in the conversation. Let's not fret over where someone goes to church, but rather focus on whether they believe the Bible or not.

It just seems to me that DaveW is digging for some kind of confession in order to get some folks bounced out of this forum. What does it really matter anyways if someone is "secretly" not a IFBer? This isn't a local church. As long as they follow the rules we should leave the secret things of the heart to the Lord.

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It seems your reading skills are very poor, either that are you ignore some things, I don't know which one it is. Its been pointed out the honor system is used several times by me & by others, but I'm pointing it out in this post at least two more times for your benefit.

 

Bro. Matt uses the honor system. And that is a very good system to use, but usually there will always be on or more than will take advantage of the honor system. And its very sad that a christian would do so.

 

And once again, I think this is a very good topic, to remind everyone, even in use of the honor system its wrong to deceive.

 

So in the end that means let each persons conscience be their guide.

 

PS: With each person conscience be their guide, & its the honor system, that means they own me, nor anyone else, not even Bro. Matt, & explanation of why they ask to be part of the IFB Group. So please! No more explaining openly why your in that group, or why you deserve the right to be a part of that group. Its only between you & God. 

Jerry, your sanctimonious finger wagging is getting tiresome. You couldn't even grasp the point of my post. Where did I explain openly why I'm in a group and why I have a right to be in that group?  I simply stated what Matt's criteria was to be in the group since DaveW felt that wasn't enough. You people are the ones turning this into a crusade. 

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It just seems to me that DaveW is digging for some kind of confession in order to get some folks bounced out of this forum. What does it really matter anyways if someone is "secretly" not a IFBer? This isn't a local church. As long as they follow the rules we should leave the secret things of the heart to the Lord.


Well you seem to think you know the secret things of my heart..........


I am trying to get people to examine their own hearts.

In fact this thread is all about examining your own heart. As I have said, I don't know who here is a member of an IFB church, who is not, who considers themselves to be IFB and who doesn't - Bro Matt kindly pointed out that I can view some list somewhere - which I haven't done.

Only a few seem to have caught my actual point - it is a matter of the heart.

This section is quite clearly titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist".
I asked people to examine their hearts and decide if they honestly fit that description.
all sorts of other people started bringing up specific quals.

You can accuse me of whatever you like - in this instance I don't really care - as long as you examine your heart and decide if a forum section titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" is really a place that you have a right to be.
Only two people have stated that they consider themselves IFB even though their circumstances dictate they attend other churches. From their statements they appear to be happy to be in this section.
Not that it matters, but I appreciate their statements explaining why they feel ok being here.
A few others have made no comment, or little comment - I don't know their conscience on the matter - maybe some do not even have access here I don't know - I actually don't pay that much attention to who posts what where.

Why do you have such a problem with a call to examine your heart on a matter such as this?

Or is it the specific issue of an area titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" that is causing you problems?

If you saw a title that said " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" what would that imply to you?
What do you infer from it?

If your heart before God will allow you to access an area titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" then fine.
Plenty have either satisfied themselves quietly, or felt a need to justify themselves before all (which I don't think is necessary).

If people have examined their hearts, then job done.
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Well you seem to think you know the secret things of my heart..........


I am trying to get people to examine their own hearts.

In fact this thread is all about examining your own heart. As I have said, I don't know who here is a member of an IFB church, who is not, who considers themselves to be IFB and who doesn't - Bro Matt kindly pointed out that I can view some list somewhere - which I haven't done.

Only a few seem to have caught my actual point - it is a matter of the heart.

This section is quite clearly titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist".
I asked people to examine their hearts and decide if they honestly fit that description.
all sorts of other people started bringing up specific quals.

You can accuse me of whatever you like - in this instance I don't really care - as long as you examine your heart and decide if a forum section titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" is really a place that you have a right to be.
Only two people have stated that they consider themselves IFB even though their circumstances dictate they attend other churches. From their statements they appear to be happy to be in this section.
Not that it matters, but I appreciate their statements explaining why they feel ok being here.
A few others have made no comment, or little comment - I don't know their conscience on the matter - maybe some do not even have access here I don't know - I actually don't pay that much attention to who posts what where.

Why do you have such a problem with a call to examine your heart on a matter such as this?

Or is it the specific issue of an area titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" that is causing you problems?

If you saw a title that said " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" what would that imply to you?
What do you infer from it?

If your heart before God will allow you to access an area titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist" then fine.
Plenty have either satisfied themselves quietly, or felt a need to justify themselves before all (which I don't think is necessary).

If people have examined their hearts, then job done.

I;ve told you about three times, I'm a member of a SBC

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I;ve told you about three times, I'm a member of a SBC


I meant apart from those stated here.
I think I said that in an earlier post.

My personal opinion is that if you consider yourself IFB, then that would be an honest position. You have made it plain that you do, so in my opinion that's an honest position.
But in fact my opinion doesn't matter in this. It is your conscience before God that counts. Again, my opinion is that God would have no problem with that.

However if someone does not consider themselves to be IFB, how is it honest to be in a section titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist"?
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I meant apart from those stated here.
I think I said that in an earlier post.

My personal opinion is that if you consider yourself IFB, then that would be an honest position. You have made it plain that you do, so in my opinion that's an honest position.
But in fact my opinion doesn't matter in this. It is your conscience before God that counts. Again, my opinion is that God would have no problem with that.

However if someone does not consider themselves to be IFB, how is it honest to be in a section titled " Forums for Independent Fundamental Baptist"?

Now THIS I can understand and agree with! :clapping:

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Jerry, your sanctimonious finger wagging is getting tiresome. You couldn't even grasp the point of my post. Where did I explain openly why I'm in a group and why I have a right to be in that group?  I simply stated what Matt's criteria was to be in the group since DaveW felt that wasn't enough. You people are the ones turning this into a crusade. 

 

You fail to have any understanding, & you love to accuse & make false accusations.

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