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I don't think it matters that he is the "first black president". All that does is rub "race" into our faces yet more. All citizens are "Americans". We all should be judged on our own merits, not our color. This racism is getting extremely tiring.

And no the Bible does not command us to congratulate our authorities. Only to pray for them and obey them, and honor the office. Obama did not run an honest race, therefore he deserves no congratulations. He started the entire race with a lie.."I will accept public funding". Yeah right. So when McCain accepted it, he changed...therefore had unlimited funds. He is a lying deceiving baby killing Jew hating (it will come out eventually) gay loving Marxist....whom we need to pray for, and obey...but not congratulate.

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If he doesn't fall thru with free unlimited hand outs for his fellow black people they just might not care for him and turn on him like a rattle snake. I feel that is one reason his fellow black people rallied behind him, thinking our ship is coming in to port and we will have all we ever wanted, paid off by the American government.

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My question would be. Would a black candidate who was a conservative, such as Michael Steele from my home state of Maryland or Alan Keyes or the black writers on worldnet daily, have gotten elected. I say no way. This to me is still a war of ideals. Socialism v.s free market, christian v.s the world and so on. The black community would not have voted for a conservative.

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My question would be. Would a black candidate who was a conservative' date=' such as Michael Steele from my home state of Maryland or Alan Keyes or the black writers on worldnet daily, have gotten elected. I say no way. This to me is still a war of ideals. Socialism v.s free market, christian v.s the world and so on. The black community would not have voted for a conservative.[/quote']

Of course not.

That's why they say not wanting socialism is racist. That is, if you don't like socialism, then you don't like blacks. Because blacks support socialisms.

They really view conservative as a white person thing. As if it is part of our personality that goes with our skin color. But it isn't, it's our beliefs. (I could say if you don't like conservative, then you don't like white people)
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You know it is funny (not really) but, I don't want socialism because it is what it is..."socialism." Some people "really do" prefer to take care of themselves without the help of the government. I would suspect that the MAJORITY of the OB board would say that "we" as blood-bought, born-again Christians, rely wholeheartedly on the Lord Jesus Christ---FIRST, then, ourselves. I prefer the old paths which would include the local Independent Fundamental Baptist Church as our source of strength! As it was in the days of old---I pray it will be that way for IFB's and similar faiths in the End Times. :smile

Sorry if I am Not speaking for the majority. Government causes problems. The local Bible-believing church causes cures. :Bible:

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We Christians are in a bit of a tough situation right now. The next four years are not going to be pretty, with a president and Congress who support abortion, gay rights, and pretty much everything we're against.

God has set before us the challenge of speaking out boldly against these things while, at the same time, submitting to a government we don't agree with and showing respect to a president who's very election just boggles the mind.

I recently heard the late Dr. Adrian Rogers preach two excellent sermons on how to submit to an Ungodly authority, and one of the points that he made is that there is a difference between submission and obedience. We are called to submit to the authority of our government and our president, but we're called to be obedient to them only insofar as what they do or instruct us to do aligns with the word of God.

So we can submit to a government that makes bad or even sinful policies. Remember, when Paul wrote Romans 13, the Roman government at that time was anything but a God-fearing government.

I didn't vote for Obama but, for better or for worse, he is my president so I'm going to show him the respect that office deserves and I'm going to pray for him every day.

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Only to pray for them and obey them, and honor the office. Actually, in our republican form of government, he is to obey us!! Check this out: http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.co ... nnon-Howse
Obama did not run an honest race, therefore he deserves no congratulations. Yup!
He started the entire race with a lie.."I will accept public funding". Yeah right. So when McCain accepted it, he changed...therefore had unlimited funds. He didn't just say he wouldn accept public funding - he signed a paper saying it!!! He is a lying deceiving baby killing Jew hating (it will come out eventually) gay loving Marxist....whom we need to pray for, and obey...but not congratulate. NOT obey!!!!!
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I am so tired of feminized; milk-toast pastors that don?t know history, the Bible and that civil government does not always trump church government. America needs more pastors like Dietrich Bonhoeffer who opposed Hitler and less that are like Mr. Rogers.

Many of my friends who are pastors don?t even need to read this article because they could have written this article. However, if you have a Pastor Rogers that lives in your neighborhood and he has a warped interpretation of Romans 13, then pass this article onto him and discourage him from signing up to be part of the government?s efforts to trash the U.S. Constitution and deprive you of the right to protect your family and private property when you need that right the most; during massive civil unrest.

As America becomes increasingly secular, and the judiciary takes away more and more of our religious liberties, Christians need to become acquainted with the Biblical response to tyranny and to understand the proper time, place, and type of civil disobedience allowed by God. Unfortunately, many American pastors believe God condemns all civil disobedience, and others believe it is so rarely permissible as to be a non-option. I even know people who believe Corrie Ten Boom sinned by hiding Jews in her home during the Nazi occupation of Europe!

Many of America?s pastors believe Christians are always to comply with the wishes of the government. This false teaching comes largely from an incorrect view of Romans 13. In Moral Dilemmas, Kerby Anderson does a great job of describing the most common misinterpretation of Romans 13:



Some critics argue that civil disobedience is prohibited by the clear admonition in Romans 13:1, ?Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is not authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God? (NASB). Yet even this passage seems to provide a possible argument for disobeying a government that has exceeded its authority. The verses following these speak of the government?s role and function. The ruler is to be a ?servant of God,? and government should reward good and punish evil. Government that fails to do so is outside God?s mandated authority and function. Government is not autonomous; it has delegated authority from God. It is to restrain evil and punish wrongdoers. When it does violate God?s delegated role and refuses to reward good and punish evil, it has not proper authority. The apostle Paul called for believers to ?be subject? to government, but he did not instruct them to ?obey? every command of government. When government issues an unjust or unbiblical injunction, Christians have a higher authority. One can be ?subject? to the authority of the state but still refuse to ?obey? a specific law which is contrary to biblical standards.[1]



Similarly, Francis Schaeffer warned, ?One either confesses that God is the final authority, or one confesses that Caesar is Lord.? We will serve God or serve man, but we cannot serve both. We obey government officials except when those authorities support civil laws that violate the laws of God. First Peter 2:13-14 also makes it clear that God?s plan for civil government is to punish evildoers and to protect and praise those who do right: ?Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord?s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.?

Kerby Anderson describes the significance of ?Lex Rex,? a great historical piece written on the subject of civil authority:



The best articulation of these biblical principles can be found in Samuel Rutherford?s essay ?Lex Rex.? Arguing that governmental law was founded on the law of God, he rejected the seventeenth-century idea of the ?divine right of kings.? The king was not the ultimate authority, God?s law was (hence the title Lex Rex, ?The law is king?). If the king and the government disobeyed the law, then they were to be disobeyed. He argued that all men; including the king were under God?s law and not above it. According to Rutherford the civil magistrate was a ?fiduciary figure? who held his authority in trust for the people. If that trust was violated, the people had a political basis for resistance. Not surprisingly ?Lex Rex? was banned in England and Scotland because it was seen as treasonous and fomenting political rebellion.[2]



While we can hope never to have to disobey the laws of our communities and country in order to walk in good conscience with God, there is no guarantee that we?ll never be called to civil disobedience. Knowing where you stand from a Biblical viewpoint, though, is the first step in being prepared to do what God requires.

When civil government steps outside of God?s ordained purpose and persecutes righteous people, promotes evil, and does injustice to the innocent, the moral authority of the civil government has been lost, and Christians are free to disobey. As we just said, disobedience to government may be required in the process of opposing evil, promoting righteousness, defending the weak, and providing for the safety of one?s family.

While God allows governments to come into being, that does not mean God approves of every government. To draw an analogy: God allowed the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, but God did not approve of them. If, for example, the people of Cuba are sick and tired of the killings, beatings, and imprisonments dispensed by the government of their country, they are Biblically justified in overthrowing Castro (who has clearly not fulfilled the God-given purpose of civil government).


For the rest of the article: http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.co ... nnon-Howse
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[quote="Kitagrl"][quote="HappyChristian"][quote="Kitagrl"]

Only to pray for them and obey them, and honor the office. [color=#800000]Actually, in our republican form of government, he is to obey us!! Check this out: http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.co ... nnon-Howse[/color]
Obama did not run an honest race, therefore he deserves no congratulations. [color=#800000]Yup![/color]
He started the entire race with a lie.."I will accept public funding". Yeah right. So when McCain accepted it, he changed...therefore had unlimited funds. [color=#800000]He didn't just [u]say[/u] he wouldn accept public funding - he signed a paper saying it!!![/color] He is a lying deceiving baby killing Jew hating (it will come out eventually) gay loving Marxist....whom we need to pray for, and obey...but not congratulate. [color=#800000]NOT obey!!!!![/color][/quote][/quote]

I'm sorry but we do have to obey our government unless it tells us to sin. Its in the NT. :smile[/quote]
:Green As you've said before, chapter and verse? Something I've tried to explain, and the link that I gave earlier does well, is that our form of government is different from an empire. In an empire the power and authority rests in the emporer and his appointed minions. Our government was set up differently. It is supposed to be a government of law - with the people as the rulers, not those who serve in office. So, in effect, according to scripture, the elected servants are to obey us, not the other way around. Yes, we obey the laws of the land that our elected servants pass - at our behest. Our government was not set up with little kings and queens ruling over us. It was set up with the people being the ones in charge.

For way too many years schools (even Christian schools) have taught a wrong, wrong, wrong concept of our government and so too many Americans believe that they are our bosses, and claim Rom. 13 and a couple of other scriptures as proof. But it isn't so. WE are THEIR bosses. A republic isn't set up the same as an empire. So, in order for us to be obedient to scripture, THEY are to obey US.

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I think that the Scripture was not set up to define an empire, but for anyone in authority. I think I've said before...if they can throw you in jail for not obeying a law, then they are your authority.

I could cite zillions of reasons why our elected officials are also our authorities.... I mean, even to get my cake business licensed, I had to "get permission". That's authority, and the Bible teaches respect for us.

What you are saying is ideology, but not realism, unfortunately.

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I think that the Scripture was not set up to define an empire, but for anyone in authority. I think I've said before...if they can throw you in jail for not obeying a law, then they are your authority.

I could cite zillions of reasons why our elected officials are also our authorities.... I mean, even to get my cake business licensed, I had to "get permission". That's authority, and the Bible teaches respect for us.

What you are saying is ideology, but not realism, unfortunately.

No, it is not ideology, kita, and you're thinking so shows that you don't understand a true republic (with all due respect, and not meant in a snide, hateful way!!). Scripture was set up to define ANY government - and our government is supposed to be by the people...but the wrong teachings that we have received have caused us to sit back and let our elected servants become our elected rulers. Those in office are supposed to obey US.

We the people are supposed to appoint our government, to run the way WE the people want it done. That is why there is voting, with an electoral college as protection against a majority coup. All of the protections that our founding fathers put in place were for that reason - to protect us from socialism, which is the natural child of complete majority democracy...where we are quickly headed, because people have been wrongly educated.

The authority you are talking about is STOLEN authority (and what our forefathers fought against!). Why should you have to get licensed to sell cakes? That isn't true freedom. I'm not saying to flout it, I'm saying that we are being legislated to death here in America...and it's because of the poor education that has gone on about our government and how it's supposed to be. Not ideally, realistically.

A republic is a rule of law - not a rule of law run amok and applied only to the citizens of that country. Our country has come so far from being a true republic that even Christians today don't know what it's supposed to be. Realistically.
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Oh but I DO understand what you are saying.

But I'm saying it doesn't practically work out that way. Yeah...sure ok I shouldn't HAVE to get a license...but I DO. Or, technically, I can be turned in and fined. That means that, like it or not, they have BECOME our authorities. They have set themselves up in that way, and God does tell us to obey any in authority.

They had dictators back then...we should be thankful that we don't have that....yet.

And anyway...we choose our husbands, do we not? Yet, we still are supposed to voluntarily put ourselves under their authority. I feel that is how America is...we can choose our authorities, but they are still our authorities.

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Though I doubt he reads this board, I do want to extend congratulations to our new president elect, Barak Obama. Though most here probably did not want him to be our President, the fact of the matter is he is, so, our job is to pray for him and support where we can.


1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

1Ti 2:2 For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Let us not fall into the trap of speaking ill of Mr. Obama. The bible tells us:

2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Bro. Ben


I agree with praying for those in authority and etc.; however I'm curious about how this example of Jesus fits in with the above verses:


Luke 13:31-32
31The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.


Jesus calls Herod a fox. Does that mean we can mock Obama for his wickedness? If not how is the above verse rightly divided?
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