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Though I doubt he reads this board, I do want to extend congratulations to our new president elect, Barak Obama. Though most here probably did not want him to be our President, the fact of the matter is he is, so, our job is to pray for him and support where we can.


[color=#0000FF]1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, [b]supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;[/b]

1Ti 2:2 For kings, and [for] all [b]that are in authority[/b]; [u][b]that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty[/b][/u].

1Ti 2:3 For [b]this [is] good and acceptable [/b]in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [/color]

Let us not fall into the trap of speaking ill of Mr. Obama. The bible tells us:

[color=#0000FF]2Pe 2:10 But chiefly [b]them that walk after the flesh [/b]in the lust of uncleanness, and [b]despise government[/b]. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to [b]speak evil of dignities[/b].

2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Psa 19:14 Let the words of [b]my mouth[/b], and the meditation of [b]my heart[/b], be acceptable in [b]thy sight[/b], O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. [/color]

Bro. Ben

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I can't congratulate a president who support abortion and probably support assisted suicide.

And Who don't support born-alive act and Israel.

Sorry, He belongs to the world. (He doesn't believe Jesus is the way, truth and life, anyway. He is an universalism) .

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I am at peace for the first time in my Christian walk and this year. My dad is finally happy and won't bash no one no more. I feel right now if you talk bad about Obama being president your not showing Christian love. God probley picked him to reveal things that was told about him not sure but we need to be praying and meditating on the word of God and back our Church up.

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Sorry, but I don't believe that God would have me congratulate Obama. I don't believe he won the election - I believe there was massive voter fraud, due in large part to the early voting. I am afraid for my country more than I ever have been. I will pray for him, but I will not congratulate him.

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Sorry' date=' but I don't believe that God would have me congratulate Obama. I don't believe he won the election - I believe there was massive voter fraud, due in large part to the early voting. I am afraid for my country more than I ever have been. I will pray for him, but I will not congratulate him.[/quote']

I agree. I cannot congratulate him either. I WILL pray for our country and that the Lord will change the hearts of those people who are now in power. One thing I don't get is that several times on OB I've seen different people comment about God's "pick" for President and such and that God picked Obama to punish America. Now, do we have verses for that? I don't think God would "choose" an evil President or king. I would be more inclined to think that he just gave wicked minded people what they asked for as discipline. (Yes, I think there is a difference.)

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I agree, it was the people who picked the president. God just allow it to happen.

I do want to congratulate to African Americans for their first black president though.. Too bad it had to be him who will be in history books and not someone better. I would honor and respect him as our leader if Obama didn't support ungodly things.

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Yes I know The world is leading to the Lords return.



:goodpost::amen:KJVKayBeliever. What we need to do is get the Gospel of Jesus Christ out the best that we can in our local Bible-believing churches and on OB. My church has OB listed as a site to visit---not bragging, just a fact. We need to get the word out about OB. People love the Internet. There is a lot of wisdom on OB, and if we talk about Jesus---as BroMatt has recommended on "numerous" occasions (ahem to me included) then...we can't go wrong. We "Bible-Thumpers" NEED to stand proud and lead the lost to Our wonderful, glorious, Saviour, Jesus Christ. God has NEVER once in my entire life failed me---unlike myself and fellow man. LOL.

Let's glorify the Lord and show them what we've got!!! They have the world, and we have the Lord--- and an eternity in heaven. How bout that? :fall:

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I can't congratulate him, for very obvious reasons that only the honest Christians can understand. I to believe that he got many votes that were double, from people who are in their graves, & or were make believe. he had many pulling for him that had not the least bit for doing what it right and honest and it seems to me he encouraged them.

Respect the office, yes, respect the person, no, he has made it clear, the path he wants to take this country down will not be following Christ. But them all paths McCain wanted to take this country down was not following Christ neither.

That said, I to mentioned it many times we are to pray for our leaders, its God will for us.

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I can't congratulate him, for very obvious reasons that only the honest Christians can understand. I to believe that he got many votes that were double, from people who are in their graves, & or were make believe. he had many pulling for him that had not the least bit for doing what it right and honest and it seems to me he encouraged them.

Respect the office, yes, respect the person, no, he has made it clear, the path he wants to take this country down will not be following Christ. But them all paths McCain wanted to take this country down was not following Christ neither.

That said, I to mentioned it many times we are to pray for our leaders, its God will for us.


:amen: :goodpost:

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I also believe there is voter fraud to help Obama expand the lead over McCain. There are alot of people in NYC and other countries are cheering for Obama including people in Kenya where his relatives lived there. I also believe he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. There are a lot cover up that he gets away with it. God allows it happen. Why? I am thinking because God wants us to looking forward to see Jesus' return in other words rapture time after you(saved people) hear the trumpet. Yahoo! Here we go!!!

Evan57 :cool

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I don't think it matters that he is the "first black president". All that does is rub "race" into our faces yet more. All citizens are "Americans". We all should be judged on our own merits, not our color. This racism is getting extremely tiring.

And no the Bible does not command us to congratulate our authorities. Only to pray for them and obey them, and honor the office. Obama did not run an honest race, therefore he deserves no congratulations. He started the entire race with a lie.."I will accept public funding". Yeah right. So when McCain accepted it, he changed...therefore had unlimited funds. He is a lying deceiving baby killing Jew hating (it will come out eventually) gay loving Marxist....whom we need to pray for, and obey...but not congratulate.

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Only to pray for them and obey them' date=' and honor the office.[/quote']


:amen::goodpost: Romans 13. :thumb

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If he doesn't fall thru with free unlimited hand outs for his fellow black people they just might not care for him and turn on him like a rattle snake. I feel that is one reason his fellow black people rallied behind him, thinking our ship is coming in to port and we will have all we ever wanted, paid off by the American government.

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My question would be. Would a black candidate who was a conservative, such as Michael Steele from my home state of Maryland or Alan Keyes or the black writers on worldnet daily, have gotten elected. I say no way. This to me is still a war of ideals. Socialism v.s free market, christian v.s the world and so on. The black community would not have voted for a conservative.

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My question would be. Would a black candidate who was a conservative' date=' such as Michael Steele from my home state of Maryland or Alan Keyes or the black writers on worldnet daily, have gotten elected. I say no way. This to me is still a war of ideals. Socialism v.s free market, christian v.s the world and so on. The black community would not have voted for a conservative.[/quote']

Of course not.

That's why they say not wanting socialism is racist. That is, if you don't like socialism, then you don't like blacks. Because blacks support socialisms.

They really view conservative as a white person thing. As if it is part of our personality that goes with our skin color. But it isn't, it's our beliefs. (I could say if you don't like conservative, then you don't like white people)

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You know it is funny (not really) but, I don't want socialism because it is what it is..."socialism." Some people "really do" prefer to take care of themselves without the help of the government. I would suspect that the MAJORITY of the OB board would say that "we" as blood-bought, born-again Christians, rely wholeheartedly on the Lord Jesus Christ---FIRST, then, ourselves. I prefer the old paths which would include the local Independent Fundamental Baptist Church as our source of strength! As it was in the days of old---I pray it will be that way for IFB's and similar faiths in the End Times. :smile

Sorry if I am Not speaking for the majority. Government causes problems. The local Bible-believing church causes cures. :Bible:

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We Christians are in a bit of a tough situation right now. The next four years are not going to be pretty, with a president and Congress who support abortion, gay rights, and pretty much everything we're against.

God has set before us the challenge of speaking out boldly against these things while, at the same time, submitting to a government we don't agree with and showing respect to a president who's very election just boggles the mind.

I recently heard the late Dr. Adrian Rogers preach two excellent sermons on how to submit to an Ungodly authority, and one of the points that he made is that there is a difference between submission and obedience. We are called to submit to the authority of our government and our president, but we're called to be obedient to them only insofar as what they do or instruct us to do aligns with the word of God.

So we can submit to a government that makes bad or even sinful policies. Remember, when Paul wrote Romans 13, the Roman government at that time was anything but a God-fearing government.

I didn't vote for Obama but, for better or for worse, he is my president so I'm going to show him the respect that office deserves and I'm going to pray for him every day.

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Only to pray for them and obey them, and honor the office. Actually, in our republican form of government, he is to obey us!! Check this out: http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.co ... nnon-Howse
Obama did not run an honest race, therefore he deserves no congratulations. Yup!
He started the entire race with a lie.."I will accept public funding". Yeah right. So when McCain accepted it, he changed...therefore had unlimited funds. He didn't just say he wouldn accept public funding - he signed a paper saying it!!! He is a lying deceiving baby killing Jew hating (it will come out eventually) gay loving Marxist....whom we need to pray for, and obey...but not congratulate. NOT obey!!!!!

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I am so tired of feminized; milk-toast pastors that don?t know history, the Bible and that civil government does not always trump church government. America needs more pastors like Dietrich Bonhoeffer who opposed Hitler and less that are like Mr. Rogers.

Many of my friends who are pastors don?t even need to read this article because they could have written this article. However, if you have a Pastor Rogers that lives in your neighborhood and he has a warped interpretation of Romans 13, then pass this article onto him and discourage him from signing up to be part of the government?s efforts to trash the U.S. Constitution and deprive you of the right to protect your family and private property when you need that right the most; during massive civil unrest.

As America becomes increasingly secular, and the judiciary takes away more and more of our religious liberties, Christians need to become acquainted with the Biblical response to tyranny and to understand the proper time, place, and type of civil disobedience allowed by God. Unfortunately, many American pastors believe God condemns all civil disobedience, and others believe it is so rarely permissible as to be a non-option. I even know people who believe Corrie Ten Boom sinned by hiding Jews in her home during the Nazi occupation of Europe!

Many of America?s pastors believe Christians are always to comply with the wishes of the government. This false teaching comes largely from an incorrect view of Romans 13. In Moral Dilemmas, Kerby Anderson does a great job of describing the most common misinterpretation of Romans 13:



Some critics argue that civil disobedience is prohibited by the clear admonition in Romans 13:1, ?Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is not authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God? (NASB). Yet even this passage seems to provide a possible argument for disobeying a government that has exceeded its authority. The verses following these speak of the government?s role and function. The ruler is to be a ?servant of God,? and government should reward good and punish evil. Government that fails to do so is outside God?s mandated authority and function. Government is not autonomous; it has delegated authority from God. It is to restrain evil and punish wrongdoers. When it does violate God?s delegated role and refuses to reward good and punish evil, it has not proper authority. The apostle Paul called for believers to ?be subject? to government, but he did not instruct them to ?obey? every command of government. When government issues an unjust or unbiblical injunction, Christians have a higher authority. One can be ?subject? to the authority of the state but still refuse to ?obey? a specific law which is contrary to biblical standards.[1]



Similarly, Francis Schaeffer warned, ?One either confesses that God is the final authority, or one confesses that Caesar is Lord.? We will serve God or serve man, but we cannot serve both. We obey government officials except when those authorities support civil laws that violate the laws of God. First Peter 2:13-14 also makes it clear that God?s plan for civil government is to punish evildoers and to protect and praise those who do right: ?Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord?s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.?

Kerby Anderson describes the significance of ?Lex Rex,? a great historical piece written on the subject of civil authority:



The best articulation of these biblical principles can be found in Samuel Rutherford?s essay ?Lex Rex.? Arguing that governmental law was founded on the law of God, he rejected the seventeenth-century idea of the ?divine right of kings.? The king was not the ultimate authority, God?s law was (hence the title Lex Rex, ?The law is king?). If the king and the government disobeyed the law, then they were to be disobeyed. He argued that all men; including the king were under God?s law and not above it. According to Rutherford the civil magistrate was a ?fiduciary figure? who held his authority in trust for the people. If that trust was violated, the people had a political basis for resistance. Not surprisingly ?Lex Rex? was banned in England and Scotland because it was seen as treasonous and fomenting political rebellion.[2]



While we can hope never to have to disobey the laws of our communities and country in order to walk in good conscience with God, there is no guarantee that we?ll never be called to civil disobedience. Knowing where you stand from a Biblical viewpoint, though, is the first step in being prepared to do what God requires.

When civil government steps outside of God?s ordained purpose and persecutes righteous people, promotes evil, and does injustice to the innocent, the moral authority of the civil government has been lost, and Christians are free to disobey. As we just said, disobedience to government may be required in the process of opposing evil, promoting righteousness, defending the weak, and providing for the safety of one?s family.

While God allows governments to come into being, that does not mean God approves of every government. To draw an analogy: God allowed the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, but God did not approve of them. If, for example, the people of Cuba are sick and tired of the killings, beatings, and imprisonments dispensed by the government of their country, they are Biblically justified in overthrowing Castro (who has clearly not fulfilled the God-given purpose of civil government).


For the rest of the article: http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.co ... nnon-Howse

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