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This guy (Adamski) is a troll. Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Also, education means very little when it comes to the Scriptures. Unless one is born again in Christ, having the Holy Ghost within them, they cannot rightly or fully understand Scripture.

First of all, Paul was called an apostle. Do you know the qualifications to be an apostle? To be an apostle you had to witness Jesus and his miraculous signs. Paul fulfilled this qualification on th


So there are 73 books in the 1611 KJV not 66 today that's not the case

So All pre edict of Milan bibles have 73 today that's not the case

Today we see 66 books in all bibles except catholic, orthodox, Coptic that have all the 73 from the 1611 KJV


You are publishing untrue statement and I think you are a Catholic priest on here to disrupt and attempt to muddy issues and cause as much havoc as possible. You are publishing statement and it appears all the while you know you are lying. There are 66 canonized books and a huge amount of others. You can have them on your shelf and read them as well as Mobby Dick and you smell fishy.

You have no concern about your own salvation and only want to take a Catholic stance - They are the apostate church of REV 17 and the papacy is Antichrist - FACT. They are just a murderous bunch serving the devil. Appears you are assisting them. You're lying and know it; simple.
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Eucharist
King James Version (KJV)
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.



In order to hold this view, one has to ignore verse 63 where Christ explains that he spoke figuratively and verse 47 which parallels 53 in its meaning.

Do you practice Popery?
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These are just 2 versus there are many more

Eucharist
King James Version (KJV)
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Infant baptism (only Jewish babies were circumsized
Colossians 2:11-12
King James Version (KJV)
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


If you check the context you easily find that in the first you quote, it was Jesus himself saying while He was actually in His earthly body - there is no way it could mean that it literally is His body and blood. It is representative.
The passage also speaks of the manna being physical food, while He, being the true bread of heaven brings spiritual life.
John 6:
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The second has nothing to do with baptism and he is talking to adults anyway.
Col 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

How can a baby willingly recurve Christ and knowingly walk in Him?
The passage is clearly talking adults, and has nothing to do with infant baptism.

Try again.
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They are only a murderous bunch and still killing thousands upon thousands of Christians today. The evil sodomite priest follow wicca and Lucifer. Only a cataholic priest would take the stance you take. Laity aren't aware of the things you are spouting off about.

But; you do lie a lot and attempt to bring confusion. You'll not get away with that here. Far too many aware of Satan's devices and people. The evil priest kill babies and small children and sell orphan's for sex slaves. Far too many documented cases; mostly Canada, Italy Spain and a number of other countries. The atrociities the Catholics commit in USA are sickening. Your perverted sodomite priest raping young girls and boy should be put to death.

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That is an opinion again a circulars argument you can't prove a book from a book but either the author or a close 2nd or 3rd contact source. Think if you wanted to know what beer babe Ruth drank you would ask babe Ruth and if he wasn't available you would ask Lou Gehrig an if he wasn't available you would ask Lou Gehrig's son or wife

Think as if this was a court of law faith in god should not be based on emotion but fact

I will also say my option does not matter I live. 2000 years after these events took place

But a rational source would be someone that was there when Christianity was illegal The below document is public domain at the museum of history in London I think. They have it on spoken word on thier web site

Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and who wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, said, referring to "those who hold heterodox opinions," that "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (6:2, 7:1). 


Again we are off topic and as someone who isn't a member of any church the arguments presented to me are unhistorical to the point it reminds me of the lds discussion board I have been on



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Some of us aren't as learned as you Adamski. If you addressing someone in particular or their argument, it helps to address them or quote something they said that prompted your response. Having said that, are you referring to me in any of your posts?

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Sam again off topic

I have researched every religous group and it is all about 2% child molesters Jew, baptist, muslim what ever

Don moommaw Ronald Regan's personal pastor molested dozens of young women in his church office stepped down for 5 years and runs his church again


Can you describe for us what a New Testament Church, of the kind that Jesus Christ himself started, is Adamski?
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Finally, back to the original topic question; I accept by faith I have all I need for God's purpose. God will straighten me out if He thinks its worth a discussion when I meet him face to face.

edited to remove "the" from "...for the God's purpose."

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Sam again off topic

I have researched every religous group and it is all about 2% child molesters Jew, baptist, muslim what ever

Don moommaw Ronald Regan's personal pastor molested dozens of young women in his church office stepped down for 5 years and runs his church again


Adamski; I got you letter. So you are Catholic and have an agenda here. Who-ho-hu. Who cares you try to destroy via stories about Ronald Regan or his pastor or his dooms-day machine. Like you; he had his problems.

Now for the child molesters: the Catholics are in to the 60% category ---- For documented fact they (Priest) ae a horrid bunch preying young boys and young girls and married women. There's a coalition in Italy of married women petitioning the pope to let the priest marry. There are thousands of testimonies of young women being molested by the priest. Do they need posting? The priest even have a book on how to seduce women in the confessional.

You can follow the apostle John where he says Antichrist came out from among us for they were not of us to Rome and the formation of the Catholic church. They have never, for one day, been Christian. They are the apostate church of REV 17. Hill Vaticanus became the place for Lucifer in 520BC when they erected a temple to him. Time to quit with your foolishness.
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Ireneaus in ~165AD told of the Nicolaitans, who they were and you can follow them into the catholic church. In today's age; Opus Dei are one in the same cult.

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:13-15 (KJV)

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:5-9 (KJV)

Sitting atop a bottomless pit in the temple of Satan to deceive as the false prophet to make two-fold the child of hell as they themselves.

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All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matt 28:18 (KJV)

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
John 10:18 (KJV)

The Catholics time is now short: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:10 (KJV) You're Antichrist alright; but, not Lucifer himself. Your position and stance will cause your demise but you will be joined in the Lake of Fire by the very devil himself. Your mockery is noticed to the heights of Heaven and will not go unrewarded.

Adamski, if you're not a reprobate - you'd repent. Seems words fall on ears without hearing or understanding.

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I don't mean to muddy the waters, but regardless of suppositions about Adamski and his motives, it seems a legitimate question has been asked that would prove of value to other visitors to this forum. That is, as I understand the question, the 1611 KJV had 73 books; however, the KJV we adhere to today has 66 books, so why do we not accept the other books?

I understand the argument that those other books are acknowledged by the Catholic church. However, the Catholic church also acknowledges the rest of the books of the Bible. So, why do we not accept the others?

It seems a fair question. I have no personal interest in promoting them, as I don't use them, either, and I'm certainly not Catholic. But I would like to read the thoughts of others here as to why they are not accepted.

Thanks, All.

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The Apocrypha were included, but separately, between the testaments, and the translators noted that they were not a part of the inspired Scriptures.
Part of the reason for this is that the Jews did not recognise them as Scripture.
Also neither Jesus nor his disciples ever quoted them as Scripture.
Josephus, Philo and others were aware of their existence but never referred to them as scripture.

The Apocrypha was never considered scripture until the council of Trent, when four or five of them were included. This was 1546 - and not including fundamental and separatist Christians.

For the record, the Old Testament is settled as those accepted by the Jews as Scripture. I don't think anyone disputes their inclusion.
There are several tests applied to the NT books, among them is historical accuracy, which some of the apocryphal books don't meet.

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Come up with proof that once saved always saved existed before 300ad I can't .......

But I can with the Eucharist and infant baptism
Dideche, polycarp,,,,,apostles creed


Hmmm once saved always saved spoken of before 300AD?
That's a hard one really.
I wonder if you have done a word study on the words "eternal life" or maybe "everlasting life" to see what they mean.
Explore the Greek definitions and meanings along with the context, and I think you might be really surprised to see what light that sheds on the issue of "once saved always saved".

Oh, and if I am not mistaken Jesus used those words a little before 300AD.
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Adamski is just one of pipa (4th column) papa or pope here to generate arguments and bring about confusion. He admits that he is not the innocent lay person seeking information. He's preaching Catholicism.

Our KJV is the Bible and as such; the Word of Gods and the words of God. There is no error nor contradiction - period.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
John 10:25-30 (KJV)

Children of Hell have no place for dialogue. Present the plan of salvation else shake the dust off your feet before you get in trouble by not obeying God's word.

Furthermore; do you know one person alive today that knows Konine Greek ---- no!

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The books of the Bible were well accepted by the Christian churches prior to them being all put together.

The Bible is the Word of God, brought into being by His Spirit so God is more than able to testify of Himself and the books of the Bible within His Book.

Note again, the 1611 KJB makes it clear only 66 books are Holy Ghost breathed Scripture. The Apocryphal books were placed within only as historical reference. The reason those books were eventually removed from the KJB was because of folks getting the wrong idea and thinking since they were placed with the actual Word of God, those books were Scripture too, when they are not.

Your attempt to find truth by searching through the writings and beliefs of the false church, the RCC, can only bear rotten fruit.

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The RCC is the most apostate organisation on earth and always has been. It has murdered millions of saints throughout the centuries. It has placed its popes at the head of the church instead of Christ. Whereas Christ commanded his servants to go into the highways to force the poor to come to his feast, the papacy sought them out to deliver them to his bonfires. (bon, French for good. The good fires the destroyed what the RCC calls heretics, but what Christ calls "My Witnesses.)

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Again you can't prove a book from a book that is not logical and would not hold up in a court of law or any scientific project



You keep saying this and you keep being wrong.

The witness is a credible witness.
In all things that can be independently verified the Bible is proven true, therefore it makes perfect sense to accept those things which can not be tested are Most Likely true also - the reliability of the witness has been established, unless reliable evidence to the contrary is submitted, the evidence of the witness is acceptable.

In fact, when talking matters of Christian faith, where what we know about God comes from 2 sources only (what we can see in the natural world, and, what God has written in His inspired Word through Holy men of God), then any doctrine taught by men MUST by necessity be found in the Word of God - there is no natural source for spiritual information.

What men in history have taught about God can be known to be true or false not by the esteem in which those men are held, but whether or not they agree with the Word of God.

Even the Apostle Paul thought that:
Gal 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

He is saying here - if anyone comes and preached anything different these people are not to accept them. How are they to know? By comparing what is said to what was said by Paul and the other Apostles.

Then see Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

This is again talking about Paul and his preaching - and note that these were more noble because they tested what Paul preached by comparing it to Scripture.

Looking at what the witness says about himself is almost always a huge part of any court case. "how do you plead?"

Well the Bible.claims to be truth from God, and since it is a reliable witness in all that can be tested, the assumption is that it is truthful in that which can not be directly tested.
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When Jesus was assumed into heaven he didn't though down a bible and say don't forget to read the book I wrote
Jesus never commanded anyone to write a book or wrote anything
Jesus never said this is the table of contents

No we're in the bible does it say that everything we need to know is in the bible it actually says

1 Tim 3:15
"the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth"

Faith alone isn't In the bible either
James 2:24
"faith without works is dead

Again I'm not catholic
But have researched every world religion using logic and reason

And have concluded a number of things

Jesus was a real historal person
Jesus founded one church and it was the roman catholic church
That church put 73 books in the bible

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"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2 Timothy 3:7-8

Adamski has 2 degree from a secular college and spends time with the Popery. The Lord describes him perfectly with the above verses, maybe even verse 6 but I don't know him that well. He's lost and in need of the Savior. All discussions outside of his sin and need for salvation will come to naught because he is spiritually blind and cannot see. Please pray for Adamski to make repentance towards God and put his trust in Jesus Christ.

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Jesus affirmed the Old Testament books as being Scripture. Peter comments upon the writings of Paul being Scripture. The 66 books we know to be Scripure today, were accepted as such by the early Christians as well.

The other so-called "gospels" and writtings some want to claim have some divine origin were rejected then as they should be now because they don't stand the test of accuracy, consistency, or even of having been accepted by the Apostles or the early Christians.

The Bible is of divine origin and can't be deciphered or fathomed by human reasoning. Only through the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit can one have the Word opened to them.

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You keep saying you are not a catholic but continually support them on a site which clearly does not.
It would seem to me that you are not here to learn, but rather to dispute.
We can present facts to you, but you simply reject them.
We can show Bible passages, but you twist or ignore them.

I think you would be happier in another place.

I implore you to read the passages that have been pointed out to you, especially those from Romans.
I further implore you to seek truth only from the Word of God and not from any man who comments on the Word of God.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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Beloved; once upon a time we were without Christ Jesus ourselves. We were in a horrid state. We must now follow Jesus and scripture. When the heathen have the gospel delivered to them and they reject it; shake the dust off your feet and move on. What concord hath Christ with Belial - NONE.

For us to be self righteous and follow our own vain philosophy and say, oh, I must continue to strive with them and show love. That is not the instruction given us by God Almighty. It is not up to us to judge it harsh - fear God and tremble before His presence and seek His will on a matter.

When folks reject Jesus - they have rejected him and you cannot save them. If God turns them over to a reprobate mind - have no fellowship with them or anything to do with them.

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Lastly on the subject: I've spoken harshly and feel bad over it, but, I've done it without judging any of the brethren. I was saved in an Independent Baptist church. I have brethren I love in a variety of Baptist churches.

We like to look at ourselves (I speak as one living in USA - raised in E. TN - no laughter, please), as being some of the most faithful Christians and most IFB look at themselves as probably the closet Bible believing Christians on the planet; probably to the point we are smug about it -- did I hear a few Amens? ;-D

In our modern day we have had liberals point their fingers and say; you can't judge, you're not supposed to judge - you're worse than me if you judge and a bigger sinner ----- we've all heard it all. We get weary in the battle and let down our armour for a rest and some creep in unawares. We must be diligent in all things and be weary of the devil and his devices. I'm as bad as anybody and above none of you. I must keep myself in daily communion and prayer with my Lord and continually study the scripture. I've never found anyone that knows it all. By this you know: The Christian has love for the brethren. We may have disagreements but we also must come together and reason together the deep things of God.

At no time should one of Lucifer's children come in and dictate and point a finger with a railing accusation at one of God's own. We may have to face some unpleasant things but we must follow instruction from God and do His bidding. It isn't pleasant to rebuke someone out of step with the gospel in our church, but we better follow God's instruction book rather than our own thinking. God has it right and we must not twist a word to suit ourselves.

It is my opinion this guy Adamski was let to go beyond limits. And he took advantage of a weathered door by shoving a note in every crack. OK; God bless and good evening. Please forgive me where it is due. If you think me wrong; let me know. Maybe I can learn and improve.

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