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I have been studying the biblical basis for using birth control and genesis 38 condems it and the first use of condoning it started in the 1930's

How do we justify it if it isn't in the bible

I also studyied the history of contraception and it has been available for over 3000 years

I believe the bible says we should not use birth control

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Scripture indicates it is God who is to control the womb, not us. Our faith and trust is to be in God, allowing Him to decide the number and timing of children we have.

Birth control was first seriously pushed in America as a means to control the colored population. The next major push for birth control was intended to "set women free", and this accompanied the "free love" movement and radical feminism.

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Ok now what do we do about spreading the word that is is unbiblical

I have never heard a pastor preach against it

Pastors used to preach against birth control until they backed off because of the changing culture and because Catholics began speaking out against it louder. Now it's common to hear even Baptist pastors say this is only a Catholic matter, or there is nothing wrong with birth control, even when most birth control methods are actually abortificants.

The main problem with getting Christians to actually live biblically is they fear trusting God with such matters. The idea of fully surrendering every aspect of ones life scares most American Christians and they don't have enough faith to trust God with most of their lives.
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No matter how hard you try you're going to have opponents to this: It wasn't hard for me to learn to swim; after I got my hands untied and the burlap sack opened, I found swimming to shore rather easy ;-D

The Catholics murder; they kill babies after they are born. Small bones in lime pits in monasteries are a testimony to this.

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Adamski.............. you say there is a chance that you are Jewish and seeking Christ Jesus? And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 6:65 (KJV)

I am strange; a new creature in a vast minority. I know you didn't mention the Catholics - I did. Their acting pious all-the-while killing babies ill produced by nuns claiming a lie that they are for birth control. The priest are raping young girls and boys and women and married women as well. It is well documented for centuries by former priest. http://www.biblebelievers.com/chiniquy/

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I don't see anything wrong with birth control, but I do see it as a personal matter. If a couple feels God calls them to not use birth control, then they would be doing wrong by using birth control. On the other hand, if a couple feels as though nothing is wrong with it, then it is fine. This is a private matter between a couple and God.

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I don't see anything wrong with birth control, but I do see it as a personal matter. If a couple feels God calls them to not use birth control, then they would be doing wrong by using birth control. On the other hand, if a couple feels as though nothing is wrong with it, then it is fine. This is a private matter between a couple and God.

It doesn't have anything to do with our feelings, which you raise about dozens of points in Scripture, it has to do with trusting God and living by the Word.
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Genisis 38

Onen was put to death for birth control



Onan was put to death for refusing to honour his brother.
The purpose of his refusal is even stated in the passage "lest that he should give seed to his brother".

It has nothing whatsoever to do with birth control. Edited by DaveW
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Why play God, why not trust God with it, leave it in His hands, that's called having faith.

Ge 29:31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.

After all he can do this, & He knows much better that we do.

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I don't see anything wrong with birth control, but I do see it as a personal matter. If a couple feels God calls them to not use birth control, then they would be doing wrong by using birth control. On the other hand, if a couple feels as though nothing is wrong with it, then it is fine. This is a private matter between a couple and God.


"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
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So is an iud or the birth control pill a personal matter since it can kill a fertilized egg???

Or what about abortion Or assisted sucicide is that a personal matter??


There are many forms of birth control.

Some use a condom. This prevents the sperm from reaching the egg.

Birth control pills work by releasing a hormone into the body to prevent ovulation. If there is no ovulation, the egg is never fertilized, an thus there is no life.

Many IUDs work by slowly releasing copper or a hormone into the uterus. The copper stops the sperm in the vagina, stopping it from entering the uterus, thus the egg is never fertilized.

So no, this is not an abortion. Life never begins.

I find it very interesting how some people can be "pro-life," yet one thing that would dramatically reduce the number of abortions (birth control) is demonized. What a contradiction.

So yes, birth control is a very personal matter. Scripture is silent on the issue. And don't give me that Onan "spilled his seed" on the ground. He had a legal duty to his brother's wife to impregnate her under Jewish law, and was avoiding his legal and familial obligation. That has nothing to do with birth control.

So if you believe birth control is wrong, is it wrong to "pull out" before ejaculation to prevent pregnancy? If not, how is that different than prevent the sperm fertilizing the egg by using a pill or condom? Should a couple merely avoid sex during times of probable ovulation? How is that different than using a form of birth control to prevent the sperm and egg joining? If a couple cannot handle any more children, should they abstain from sex altogether? Again, how is that different than birth control? I'm curious as to your thinking on this.

Your comment indicates you think all forms of birth control are wrong. Do you think it should be illegal? Do you think its use should be discouraged? If it were illegal, the unwanted pregnancies and abortions would skyrocket, which is a terrible result. How to you reconcile this? Edited by kindofblue1977
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One thing for sure, people ought to think about their relationship with God, & stop worrying about every one else, we each will stand before God giving account of our self. I promise you, God can & will judge His own people without our help.

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@ jerry we are obligated to evangelize the entire gospel


Please, don't say said something that I did not say. I take it your replying to In that post I did not insinuate what you stated above.

What we are to do is quite clear, we are to go, teach, baptize, Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you


Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

Your picking everyone else apart, saying what others do, bringing up the bad others do, perhaps you need to clean up your own doorsteps, before worrying about others. Them when you get it clean up, them you might be in shape to truly carrying the Gospel.
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Jerry I'll share my sins with you brother in Christ

I am frustrated in my parents that thy brought me up in an extreme liberal church and they taught abortion and gay marriage is ok, all religions are equal

I am frustrated after I came to Christ my wife who claims to be christian supports some abortion and dresses my daughter inapropreatly

I am frustrated the "non-denominational" church I went to for 7 tteaches new age mixed with Christ

I have anger towards them and I need to work on this I need to forgive them.

Most people I have met that put Christi in thier life first are catholic. If it wasn't for Catholics I would have never had the nerve to help my family Leave the new age church that wasn't putting Christ first so Catholics brought me to christ

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Jerry I'll share my sins with you brother in Christ

I am frustrated in my parents that thy brought me up in an extreme liberal church and they taught abortion and gay marriage is ok, all religions are equal

I am frustrated after I came to Christ my wife who claims to be christian supports some abortion and dresses my daughter inapropreatly

I am frustrated the "non-denominational" church I went to for 7 tteaches new age mixed with Christ

I have anger towards them and I need to work on this I need to forgive them.

Most people I have met that put Christi in thier life first are catholic. If it wasn't for Catholics I would have never had the - - - - - to help my family Leave the new age church that wasn't putting Christ first so Catholics brought me to christ


You need to find another way to express your courage, that one is not nice as all, just look for the dashes.

Please, share & confess your sins with Jesus, I can't forgive you, but He can.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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Jerry I'll share my sins with you brother in Christ

I am frustrated in my parents that thy brought me up in an extreme liberal church and they taught abortion and gay marriage is ok, all religions are equal

I am frustrated after I came to Christ my wife who claims to be christian supports some abortion and dresses my daughter inapropreatly

I am frustrated the "non-denominational" church I went to for 7 tteaches new age mixed with Christ

I have anger towards them and I need to work on this I need to forgive them.

Most people I have met that put Christi in thier life first are catholic. If it wasn't for Catholics I would have never had the nerve to help my family Leave the new age church that wasn't putting Christ first so Catholics brought me to christ

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Catholics don't put Christ first, they typically put Mary first, but often they will choose a Catholic "saint" to put first. Catholics worship a false christ, not the Christ of Scripture.

You would do well to read and meditate upon the New Testament. Pay close attention to what Jesus actually said and taught. Learn in the epistles exactly how Christians are to live, the type of people they are to be. Also, pay close attention to note this can only be done by those born again in Christ and the change comes from the inside out (through the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives) and isn't something we do ourselves, such as "trying to be good".
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I was saved on the cross
I was saved when I was baptized
I am being saved with my actions everyday
And I pray to be saved when Christi come again

Even Paul didn't have assurance of salvation

Philippians 2:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


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1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John said you could know........

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I was saved on the cross
I was saved when I was baptized
I am being saved with my actions everyday
And I pray to be saved when Christi come again

Even Paul didn't have assurance of salvation

Philippians 2:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.



So what if your actions aren't good, are filthy rags? Are you still saved? Are you saved now or do you have to wait until judgement day to find out?
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