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Jesus Said To Them, “My Wife ...” Could It Be Far Fetched?

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"Scholarly discussion over the papyrus — which contains the phrase “Jesus said to them, “My wife ...” — has been intense since a Harvard scholar, Karen L. King, presented it as a fragment of a fourth-century gospel at an international conference of Coptic scholars this month in Rome."


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/world/europe/vatican-says-papyrus-referring-to-jesus-wife-is-probably-fake.html?_r=0


If this was proven true would it be such a big issue that Jesus was married? I can see with the Catholics it would since they practice celibacy to mimic Jesus. It's interesting maybe more to me then others.

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No probably to it, of course it's fake. Jesus had no wife.

Catholic celibacy actually comes from Peter. They assume he was not married (he was the first pope, in their minds). They apparently have never read the portion in scripture that references Peter's mother-in-law. :smug:

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The feminists love this stuff. This could be the break they are hoping for to help them completely take over the churches as they are taking over the government, schools, businesses, etc. If they can "prove" that Jesus was married then they can claim that Jesus passed the headship of the church over to Mary Magdalene.

If this papyrus is real it is nothing but Gnostic rubbish that was meant to remain buried. The apostle John dealt with these blasphemous heretics in I John. It seems that this heresy will rear it's ugly head again during the last days of the church as it did in the beginning days.

Oh, and Jesus is married. He is married to the church. (II Cor 11:2)

Edited by Wilchbla

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There is a reason that really super smart people figured out what ancient texts are Bible, and which ancient texts are NOT Bible.

Just because something is an ancient text doesn't make it Bible, or even truthful.

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The "scholar", Karen King, is a radical feminist with a long track record of "finding" ways to distort, discredit and attempt to manipulate the Scriptures with her radical feminism.

Many scholars have come forward pointing out many reasons why they believe the tiny piece of papyrus is fake. They have also called into question King's taking this public without first establishing it's authenticity. There is a huge trade in fake "antiquities" and many scholars who have looked at this believe it's likely a fake.

One must also take into consideration this papyrus, if it's even real, has been determined to have been written four centuries after Christ. Why would something written four centuries after Christ be considered more accurate or even as accurate as that which is in the Bible? Consider the many writings today which make all sorts of false claims, contain made up "histories", have the writings of authors attempting to create dialogue they think could have taken place between people in the past, or even the writings which are straight out lies.

One thing is certain, any writing, whenever written, which contradicts the inspired Word of God, is a lie.

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You can pretty much discern that any highly esteemed Harvard Scholar is a lost liberal in need of the Savior. These scholars always convienently find ancient things that support their field of research or "science", isn't that amazing? LIARS!

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The whole thing was probably started by Josephus, the liar historian who also was a traitor to the cause of Christ. It sounds like something he would come up with.


The document is believed tgo date from several hundred years after Josephus.

Josephus was known as a seeker after the truth.

Why do you think that he was a "traitor to the cause of Christ"? Edited by Invicta

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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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The document is believed tgo date from several hundred years after Josephus.

Josephus was known as a seeker after the truth.

Why do you think that he was a "traitor to the cause of Christ"?


Invicta, have you read any of Josephus' books? They are still available. I had the collection and gave it away (should have thrown it away!) He had a lot of things contrary to the Bible, and after all, sold out the Jews to the Romans.

In one place he describes a beautiful woman being seduced by what she thought was a god, but it was some jerk that lusted after her. He spent over a page going into detail. Yes, I read it, but I shouldn't have. It could have come out of one of those romance books with the steamy scenes and all. I know you don't care to take someones word for it, but if you read it, be careful, it is raw pornography.

Also he is way off on Abraham, and what he did and said. I think he was making some things up so that he had enough material to write a book! The same with some of the other O.T. prophets and saints.

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Invicta, have you read any of Josephus' books? Yes I read them all. They are still available. I had the collection and gave it away (should have thrown it away!) He had a lot of things contrary to the Bible, and after all, sold out the Jews to the Romans. The Jews were rebelling against their legitimate government. They begged the Romans to take direct rule aftrer Herod died as his son, Archaleus was worse than his father. The Romans refused at first and then agreed. Judea then legally became a Roman province. Under Herod, it had been some sort of protectorate. The Jews confirmed that when they rejected Jesus and said "We have no king but Caesar."

In one place he describes a beautiful woman being seduced by what she thought was a god, but it was some jerk that lusted after her. He spent over a page going into detail. Yes, I read it, but I shouldn't have. It could have come out of one of those romance books with the steamy scenes and all. I know you don't care to take someones word for it, but if you read it, be careful, it is raw pornography. As I said I have read all of Josephus, and don't recall that. It sounds more like Herodotus, are you sure you are not getting them confused?

Also he is way off on Abraham, and what he did and said. I think he was making some things up so that he had enough material to write a book! The same with some of the other O.T. prophets and saints.

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The entire Bible practically circulates around the idea that the church is the Bride of Christ. God advocates one man for one woman. Period.

Therefore it would be impossible for Jesus to have any other bride other than the one God is preparing.

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So, my question hasn't been answered yet...are we currently the Bride of Christ, or does that take place during the Marriage Supper? Where in scripture does it say we are definitively the Bride, right now? I understand the betrothal idea,I'm just seriously asking if we are currently the Bride?

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Didn't know that. Where is it?


Hmm, I don't remember where I learned that. Melchisedec/Melchizedek was a King and Prophet almost exactly like Jesus Christ in every way. Now you have me wondering...


Hebrews 7:3 - "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Would that make Melchizedek an angel? They weren't allowed to marry either. Edited by swathdiver

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Hmm, I don't remember where I learned that. However, no priests were allowed to marry. Melchisedec/Melchizedek was a King and Prophet almost exactly like Jesus Christ in every way. Now you have me wondering...


Swath, you may want to recheck your statement about no priest marrying,kinda hard to keep the Levitical line going that way -- all priest were Levites.

2Ch 22:11, But Jehoshabeath, the daughter of the king, took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king's sons that were slain, and put him and his nurse in a bedchamber. So Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada the priest, (for she was the sister of Ahaziah,) hid him from Athaliah, so that she slew him not.

Luk 1:5, There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. Edited by Old fashioned

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